Very unusual object photographed in Arizona sky

originally posted by: htapath
a reply to: Antoniastar

Happy Saturday Toni! There is so much more to this world than what is visible on the surface. Being blessed with eyes to see through the facade can be challenging when walking amongst the blind. But the process of journeying inward requires these hurdles to be overcome, and an entirely different perspective blossoms within us. Sometimes a cloud isn't just water vapor carried on the wind.

Happy Saturday to you too HT!

What an amazing mind you have. Yes I agree there is more than meets the eye. The body is a biological machine and it comes amply equipped to sense, process and interpret "objective" information. Intelligence level plays an important role. Sometimes the sophistication of who we are is wasted on the soul that isn't either aware of how their body works or does know and is still learning how all of buttons and gadgets work. Some people never get past the basic mechanics of the human body (including the brain/mind interface and the more advanced mechanics of DNA/RNA).

That's right sometimes "a cloud is more than water vapor carried on wind". Our inner eye sees much but, again, most information is lost because it takes skill to use our spirit eyes with our physical eyes...they're not exclusive of one another, they work together, or are meant to anyway. If we look at the image in the OP with both the physical and the spiritual senses together, the frontal lobe processes this information (as it normally does) but the results will be more complete and then interpreting that processed information can be accomplished on much more even ground, possibly drastically affecting a final decision/association.

As we peel away the layers of this earthly illusion, everything slowly changes as we build a bridge back to the greater reality from which we come. This realization dissolves time as we fully understand our purpose for being here. We all have guides who are eager to make thems known when everything is in its proper place. The urge to share these discoveries is strong, and the resulting difficulties are also tests within tests.

There is no separation. We are ,inside and all of what we experience around us, expressions of all. It's when we adhere to code to create form is when it seems like I'm a squishy glob typing on my keyboard. For example, If I look at myself at the subatomic particle level and focus on a single atom within my body, I find that there is vast space and distance between the nucleus and the wall of that atom. What happens with the space in the outermost part of my body? What if an atom in my leg is touching an atom in your arm? Would you notice? That's why I say that the sky-image could be 20 miles away or 20 inches away, depending on perspective.

There are so many on this forum, and this world in general, who attack what they do not understand. This is really only an outward expression of the ongoing internal struggle. To have compassion for these individuals is also a requirement in order for us to exist in a state of forgiveness and appreciation. I know that almost everyone who reads this post will think it's all just hocus pocus, but the truth does not just go away and cower in the corner. Just like the object in the photo; it is what it is. Nothing can change that. Why would anyone want to change it, anyway? Just because one refuses to explore this reality with an open mind doesn't affect what might be discovered for another individual.

Understandable. If I don't know what a creature from a black lagoon looks like and it tries to eat my face I would probably attack it. And then again, if I know what a creature from a black lagoon looks like and it tries to eat my face ...I no longer feel fear but instead laugh at it or maybe take the opportunity to learn something new. Because I've bypassed the stage of being fearful, many more options open for me than otherwise would remain stuck to a seemingly invisible menu. Now I could find something else for the creature to eat and then try to feed it or some other option. I probably wouldn't try to change the creature by putting clothes on it but that's just me. If the creature is seriously a danger then of course, defend yourself or run depending on what strategy suits the situation best at the moment. Being creative doesn't mean being stupid.

Your words strike a chord within me and I'm very grateful that our paths have met in this way. We all seek peace ultimately, and yes we all find it eventually. After the great struggle, making it home is a great release.

I've rambled enough. Much love and grace to all today!

Me too! Our paths crossed and I'm glad. You stimulate my mind. Ramble away!

Much love too,

Toni

originally posted by: PheonixReborn
a reply to: htapath

I'm really glad that you're comfortable in yourself but your assertion that "Your conclusions, or anyone else's, don't affect me." sort of goes against the whole point of you starting this thread in the first place, does it not?

You asked for others opinions about what was shown in your photograph. Why would you do that if your mindset was that it was a photograph of an unexplained object?

We, collectively on this site, have stated that it is, in all likelihood, a bird.

If you wish to continue thinking it is something other then continue to think so.

You'll still be wrong.

If you're trying to get a rise out of me, you might as well give it up. Not going to happen. I'm here in more of a public service capacity than anything else. I knew how the herd would react because it's the same way every time. You declaring that ATS has collectively made some determination is a ludicrous statement. Maybe this thread is over your head and you should come back at a later time with an open mind. Maybe you're just doing your job. I can't say for sure where you're coming from, and actually it's not my problem.

The image I posted in the OP stands alone. No words are needed really. Feel free to carry on with your life any time you wish.

originally posted by: Buddyman
Hey OP

I've just read through this thread thanks for sharing.I know a lot of people on this site like to play ultra skeptics,well thats fine of coarse, critical thinking needs employing, but we also need to make that leap sometimes,because what is assumed by some as the pinnacle of understanding,is far from the truth (which is beyond comprehension i imagine)

After reading what both sides of this debate have offered i can say that no one can prove 100 percent that it is a bird,but also at the same time we cannot declare it is a UFO, based on what we have.

I personally would not discredit the photo you have provided, as being a UFO, just because it is of a composition that is not familiar to 'what we are used to' i have seen for myself on many occasions UFOs in the traditional saucer form,cigar form,morphing,orbs and the 'oddly shaped' catagory.I want to start a thread actually about these experiences and see what experiences others have had.

It is a shame you didn't see it at the time.I was wondering if it was static in the air? I assume there was no sound familiar with any crafts/planes etc, otherwise you would have said so, i guess?

It's true you can lose a perspective when viewing objects of all sorts in the sky.I would say whatever it is,it may be a few thousand feet altitude? it's hard to tell..The craft could potentially be a decent size though,also have you ever had any previous UFO experiences?

One last thing i'll mention is that there seems to be a catagory of UFO (i may have seen this once or twice) that i would describe as an 'entity' whether they may be biological or a craft? or like others have suggested an interdimensional entity etc? well the jurys out on that.There is a guy posting on DTV that has been filming many of these morphing entities regularly.He seems decent and geniune as well,not suprisingly He got slammed as seems to be the case on these threads frequently and given the weather balloon retort incidentally.

Anyways cool thread OP!!

Good Evening peeps

Thank you for posting in a polite and adult tone. This thread was created for members like you. In response to your questions, yes I've had my fair share of woo woo experiences. Some of them can be found here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Also I don't recall hearing any unusual sounds, and no upsurge in static electricity was present. These questions lead me to believe that you might have had a few experiences of your own! Feel free to share if this is the case.

One must wonder why these kinds of threads receive all the hostility and baiting. Surely there must be some kind of a watch group which is responsible for damage control regarding certain topics. The efficiency and the methods tell me this much. When I first accessed the web in the mid 90's, it was the same way. I often wonder how many times I've dealt with the same individuals across many different conspiracy genre. Sometimes they have small tells that give themselves away.

Peace.

It's a bird, dude.

I want to believe you've caught something strange on camera, I really do. But logically thinking, I can't.

The bird explanation seems like the most plausible to me. It could also be flying debris, such as a plastic bag.

The image just isn't clear enough to indicate anything strange IMO.

a reply to: htapath

OP has made a few critical errors.

First, thinking he can tell the altitude and distance of the object. He can't, it's impossible.
Second, not applying Occam's Razor and ignoring the simple solutions that fit.
Third, and this is my opinion, being blinded by what he wishes to be true, making it impossible for him to be objective with what is true.

It looks like a bird, that is not that far away. I am not bothering reading however many pages this post is to see what the consensus is, because it doesn't matter. A bird, about the same distance away as the sign, fits perfectly. Wings are down midflap.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

It looks like a bird, that is not that far away. I am not bothering reading however many pages this post is to see what the consensus is, because it doesn't matter.

Its a bird

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Then again it could be ....

a reply to: htapath

One must wonder why these kinds of threads receive all the hostility and baiting. Surely there must be some kind of a watch group which is responsible for damage control regarding certain topics.

It's not "hostility and baiting", it's just people stating the obvious. A bird-shaped object in the sky is overwhelmingly likely to be a bird. Why do you so desperately want it to be something else?

I see a bird.

Especially when I look at the bigger picture of it.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: htapath

OP has made a few critical errors.

First, thinking he can tell the altitude and distance of the object. He can't, it's impossible.
Second, not applying Occam's Razor and ignoring the simple solutions that fit.
Third, and this is my opinion, being blinded by what he wishes to be true, making it impossible for him to be objective with what is true.

It looks like a bird, that is not that far away. I am not bothering reading however many pages this post is to see what the consensus is, because it doesn't matter. A bird, about the same distance away as the sign, fits perfectly. Wings are down midflap.

Fair enough I guess. But there are a few problems with that line of thinking.

First of all, applying Occam's Razor as a rigid guideline is ignoring the possibility of discovering a never seen before phenomenon. i.e. Turning a blind eye to the true nature of anything that is unique or hitherto undocumented. This is not an open minded approach when dealing with the unknown. Expectations can skew perception.

Moving on, the object has several characteristics which are not consistent with any bird photo that has been posted for comparison.

There is no visible head or tail, and at least one of these should be apparent in keeping with the proportional size of the wing-like features.

No feathers can be discerned at all.

There are broken straight lines along the top of the object, and this suggests the object is unnatural.

The wing-like features are in a relative position that is not consistent with a bird in flight. They are perfectly vertical and show no signs of lateral motion. The only place I've seen anything like this is on the helmet of the Atlanta Falcons. But that is just a logo, and not an accurate depiction.

There is a white appendage on the inside of the wing-like feature that is furthest away from the camera. This is a prominent anomaly and cannot easily be explained, as it stands out in stark contrast to the rest of the object.

The apparent pixelation of the object could be due to a number of factors. Since the true nature of the object cannot be determined, this cannot be definitely attributed to the image quality and/or the object being out of focus. The pixelation might simply be a result of the manner in which the object reflects and absorbs light.

As far as the altitude and distance of the object, the amount of zooming required to discern the finer details of the object suggests that the object is not at all close to the camera.

The shape of the clouds is similar to the shape of the object. This is quite a coincidence, given the chances of this occurring randomly.

In conclusion, the object in question is not a bird.

The apparent pixelation of the object could be due to a number of factors. Since the true nature of the object cannot be determined, this cannot be definitely attributed to the image quality and/or the object being out of focus. The pixelation might simply be a result of the manner in which the object reflects and absorbs light.

You just said yourself that you can't determine what it is and you don't know for sure if it's the image quality messing with your perception. How can you call people "the herd" when you so blatantly echo what has been said by your skeptics? The same reason we say "we can't tell what it is" is the same reason you've given.

The way I see it, it goes down like other similar photos: We don't know. So there's no reason to insult people (even if you do it passive-aggressively by replying to the few that agree with you) just because we aren't willing to immediately accept that this one, of thousands, of photos of a smudge in the sky as an alien craft/otherworldly entity. Like many others have stated, I'm hopeful that there are others in the universe with us; That doesn't mean I'm willing to call a bird out for being something it's not.

originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: htapath

One must wonder why these kinds of threads receive all the hostility and baiting. Surely there must be some kind of a watch group which is responsible for damage control regarding certain topics.

It's not "hostility and baiting", it's just people stating the obvious. A bird-shaped object in the sky is overwhelmingly likely to be a bird. Why do you so desperately want it to be something else?

The object is what it is. My opinion does not affect this, and neither does yours. I don't want it to be anything other than what it is. Why do you keep insisting it's a bird when there are obvious anomalies which suggest otherwise? A headless, featherless bird with no tail or feet? A bird with out of proportion wings that appear to be rigid, perfectly vertical, and show no evidence of lateral motion? A bird that has a face-like appendage protruding from the inside of one wing and dots of light along the perimeter of the other? Oh and it just so happens that the bird is the same shape as the clouds and wasn't visible to the photographer?

You must be kidding me.

I saw it and thought - Looks like a bird. This was before I read any comments.

But I have to agree, it looks pretty far away - maybe the bird theory doesn't add up. As it would have to be large.

I have to admit, I only skimmed through the comments so if you've answered these, forgive me.

- You couldn't see it with the naked eye, right?
- Where there many birds in the area/sky that you noticed? There's bound to be birds, of course but if you were seeing birds then it would stand to reason that you'd have seen this one if it were a bird.
- Was it on any other pictures? Did it seem to vanish?

I don't know - As it stand I think it would be wise to say it may be a bird that was caught on camera. And it was too fast creating some distortion. But I really couldn't say for sure.

PS - Beautiful sky shot, regardless!

a reply to: htapath

A bird with out of proportion wings that appear to be rigid, perfectly vertical, and show no evidence of lateral motion?

You mean like this ...


Sorry but the object you photographed is a bird regardless of whether you believe it or not.

originally posted by: htapath

originally posted by: Rob48
a reply to: htapath

One must wonder why these kinds of threads receive all the hostility and baiting. Surely there must be some kind of a watch group which is responsible for damage control regarding certain topics.

It's not "hostility and baiting", it's just people stating the obvious. A bird-shaped object in the sky is overwhelmingly likely to be a bird. Why do you so desperately want it to be something else?

The object is what it is. My opinion does not affect this, and neither does yours. I don't want it to be anything other than what it is. Why do you keep insisting it's a bird when there are obvious anomalies which suggest otherwise? A headless, featherless bird with no tail or feet? A bird with out of proportion wings that appear to be rigid, perfectly vertical, and show no evidence of lateral motion? A bird that has a face-like appendage protruding from the inside of one wing and dots of light along the perimeter of the other? Oh and it just so happens that the bird is the same shape as the clouds and wasn't visible to the photographer?

You must be kidding me.

What?

How can you determine that this "object" has no head, tail and feet, as it is only ONE picture, from only ONE angle? That it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to have captured an image of a bird, because in this one image, you can not make out it's head, feet or tail? That there is NO way for you to have captured a bird at an angle and distance that will not show you those details?

How do you expect an image who's exposure time was so fast, to show you movement of said object? The exposure time was just over 1/3000 of a second I believe?

Do you honestly think that a bird flying is so fast that at that exposure time, there is no way for it to not show any movement?

Take a look at this image I took:



The exposure was more than fast enough to image the individual blades on the helicopter. There is some slight blur to them....and they rotate MUCH faster than any bird can fly.

Can you see any forward movement of the helicopter?

Before you make broad, sweeping statements like that, stop and think. You have indicated quite well in this thread you created that you do not accept that the object you captured in your image is not a bird, and that instead, it MUST be something mysterious.......we get that.

originally posted by: CrypticCryptid

The apparent pixelation of the object could be due to a number of factors. Since the true nature of the object cannot be determined, this cannot be definitely attributed to the image quality and/or the object being out of focus. The pixelation might simply be a result of the manner in which the object reflects and absorbs light.

You just said yourself that you can't determine what it is and you don't know for sure if it's the image quality messing with your perception. How can you call people "the herd" when you so blatantly echo what has been said by your skeptics? The same reason we say "we can't tell what it is" is the same reason you've given.

The way I see it, it goes down like other similar photos: We don't know. So there's no reason to insult people (even if you do it passive-aggressively by replying to the few that agree with you) just because we aren't willing to immediately accept that this one, of thousands, of photos of a smudge in the sky as an alien craft/otherworldly entity. Like many others have stated, I'm hopeful that there are others in the universe with us; That doesn't mean I'm willing to call a bird out for being something it's not.

I haven't been rude to anyone. When 75% of the posts say the exact same thing, there is no point in replying to them all. Please point out a post that I skipped over and did not reply to which brings anything new and relevant into the discussion.

The way that you interchange your pronouns is slanted and very telling. You twist my words and then accuse me of not being consistent. I've not changed my stance at all and have stood firm on my assertion that the object cannot be identified definitively. While numerous posters have insisted that the object is unquestionably a bird, I have expressed my disagreement and pointed out evidence which backs up my assertion. I still see an unidentified object that, for all intents and purposes, is static and shows absolutely no apparent forward or lateral motion. Show me just one image of a bird with all of these chacteristics out of all the photos that exist.

I'll be patiently waiting.

a reply to: htapath

I've not changed my stance at all and have stood firm on my assertion that the object cannot be identified definitively.

No, you have not stood firm...
Because in a post above, you make this statement...

In conclusion, the object in question is not a bird.

So then, what is it? You are making a definitive statement. Prove it is not a bird.

Plus, I checked the weather for March 21, 2014...

Winds between 9 and 21 miles per hour...

originally posted by: MrConspiracy
I saw it and thought - Looks like a bird. This was before I read any comments.

But I have to agree, it looks pretty far away - maybe the bird theory doesn't add up. As it would have to be large.

I have to admit, I only skimmed through the comments so if you've answered these, forgive me.

- You couldn't see it with the naked eye, right?
- Where there many birds in the area/sky that you noticed? There's bound to be birds, of course but if you were seeing birds then it would stand to reason that you'd have seen this one if it were a bird.
- Was it on any other pictures? Did it seem to vanish?

I don't know - As it stand I think it would be wise to say it may be a bird that was caught on camera. And it was too fast creating some distortion. But I really couldn't say for sure.

PS - Beautiful sky shot, regardless!

I estimate the size of the object to be larger than a 747, and possibly much larger. I'm not stating this as fact, but this is my opinion.

I did not see the object or any birds in that area of the sky before, during, or after the photo. The unusually shaped clouds and the feeling that the clouds 'had eyes' is what compelled me to capture the image. I took one other image before leaving the area, and no birds or anomalies were present in that one. The wind at the surface was calm at the time.