Indian Navy Operationally Deploys INS Vikramaditya (Aircraft Carrier)

originally posted by: maddy21

originally posted by: stumason
My apologies, I take it back - even if is taking an extraordinarily long time to be built! (15 years?)

Construction of Indigenous carrier started only 3 years back .

Construction, yes - but the whole design process started in 1999.

By comparison, the HMS Queen Elizabeth design began in 2007 and the keel was laid in 2009 with the launch set for July this year...

a reply to: luciddream

As an example the UK gave £250 Million a year for 3 years from 2009-12 - this was primarily used to fund charities and NGO's in poverty relief.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: gladtobehere
a reply to: maddy21

India is home to one third of the world's poorest people.

Nice to see that the government has its priorities in order...

And the USA has $17 trillion debt! And you have 10 of them!

Think you need to look at your priorities before you point fingers!

So your line of logic is that since US is crazy, let's all get crazy and act stupid, right?

a reply to: Telos

I think the reply point was not derailing the thread by not discussing the actual issue.

"He got an A in class"

"Yeah but he is poor, he cant get into medical school anyway"

or so...

originally posted by: Telos



So your line of logic is that since US is crazy, let's all get crazy and act stupid, right?

No my point was Americans have no right to point fingers at India or advice them on spending when the US government cant seem to grasp the simple principles of debt themselves.

originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: maddy21

originally posted by: stumason
My apologies, I take it back - even if is taking an extraordinarily long time to be built! (15 years?)

Construction of Indigenous carrier started only 3 years back .

Construction, yes - but the whole design process started in 1999.

By comparison, the HMS Queen Elizabeth design began in 2007 and the keel was laid in 2009 with the launch set for July this year...

Actually it started around 2007-08 official date is 1999 but after nuke tests Sanctions from western countries things got delayed . Later it just was not the priority until 07-08 until India realized Russian carrier would be delayed

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: luciddream

As an example the UK gave £250 Million a year for 3 years from 2009-12 - this was primarily used to fund charities and NGO's in poverty relief.

UK's aid goes to Christian missionaries for conversion of Hindus and also paid to NGO's who are involved in Anti national and Anti developmental activities . Trust me.. We have told you guys a couple of times that we do not need your aid

originally posted by: maddy21

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: luciddream

As an example the UK gave £250 Million a year for 3 years from 2009-12 - this was primarily used to fund charities and NGO's in poverty relief.

UK's aid goes to Christian missionaries for conversion of Hindus and also paid to NGO's who are involved in Anti national and Anti developmental activities . Trust me.. We have told you guys a couple of times that we do not need your aid

That's a pretty disgusting aid.

I thought the whole "your culture is bad" attitude ended when the British rulers left.

a reply to: maddy21
Does anyone know where the pilots did their carrier flight operations training?

If that was done in India, I would be curious as to how the set up the program. Getting a former Russian carrier isn't the tough part, it is training the pilots to land on a carrier.
And as far as I know, the Mig 29 wasn't designed originally as a carrier based aircraft.

a reply to: luciddream

Do bear in mind that maddy has a track record of being quite vitriolic in his anti-British sentiment, so I wouldn't put much stock in his "conversion" or anti-national nonsense. And while the Indian Finance minister Pranab Mukherjee did say "it wasn't needed any more", he has since changed his tune.

You can actually see what the UK spends it's aid money on here.

Here is an article from the economist as well.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: maddy21
Does anyone know where the pilots did their carrier flight operations training?

If that was done in India, I would be curious as to how the set up the program. Getting a former Russian carrier isn't the tough part, it is training the pilots to land on a carrier.
And as far as I know, the Mig 29 wasn't designed originally as a carrier based aircraft.

We already have an operational carrier for last 50+ years and have been using Harrier VTOLS ..

en.ria.ru...

We already setup carrier training facilities in different places and have also performed joint carrier operations with US Navy

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: luciddream

Do bear in mind that maddy has a track record of being quite vitriolic in his anti-British sentiment, so I wouldn't put much stock in his "conversion" or anti-national nonsense. And while the Indian Finance minister Pranab Mukherjee did say "it wasn't needed any more", he has since changed his tune.

You can actually see what the UK spends it's aid money on here.

Here is an article from the economist as well.

I live in this country and i have seen first hand where your aid money goes and My "Anti British sentiment " only came out after seeing meeting some lively Britishers here and the rather disgusting attitude you folks have of diverting every thread to whining about either your aid money or having crocodile tears on poverty ...

SO please stop whining about your aid money and stick to the topic at hand

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Telos



So your line of logic is that since US is crazy, let's all get crazy and act stupid, right?

No my point was Americans have no right to point fingers at India or advice them on spending when the US government cant seem to grasp the simple principles of debt themselves.

I already know that. But still doesn't answer to my comment. Having right of pointing fingers or not, doesn't change the fact that India has 1/3 of world's poorest.

a reply to: maddy21

Indeed - you operated two older ex-Royal Navy carriers, one being the fine (former) HMS Hermes of Falklands Islands fame. Is she still sailing?

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: maddy21

Indeed - you operated two older ex-Royal Navy carriers, one being the fine (former) HMS Hermes of Falklands Islands fame. Is she still sailing?

Nop... retired long long time ago and is about to be a museum

a reply to: maddy21

Who's whining?

Just pointing out the obvious - you're spending Billions on your military and space programmes whilst in receipt of (and in need of) foreign aid. Your leaders need to get their priorities right.

On that note, I think it is on topic - it is a valid question when you're spending billions on carriers and spaceships while there is chronic poverty in India where 12% live on less than $1.25 a day, 30% live below your own defined poverty line and where 42% of your children are under-nourished, just to name a few figures.

a reply to: maddy21

Odd, because the Indian Navy website says it is in refit and won't be retired until 2017 at the earliest.....

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: maddy21

Odd, because the Indian Navy website says it is in refit and won't be retired until 2017 at the earliest.....

The one retired is INS Vikrant , INS Viraat is still operational both are former British Navy Carriers

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: maddy21

Who's whining?

Just pointing out the obvious - you're spending Billions on your military and space programmes whilst in receipt of (and in need of) foreign aid. Your leaders need to get their priorities right.

On that note, I think it is on topic - it is a valid question when you're spending billions on carriers and spaceships while there is chronic poverty in India where 12% live on less than $1.25 a day, 30% live below your own defined poverty line and where 42% of your children are under-nourished, just to name a few figures.

Post reported for intentional trolling ...

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: maddy21

Who's whining?

Just pointing out the obvious - you're spending Billions on your military and space programmes whilst in receipt of (and in need of) foreign aid. Your leaders need to get their priorities right.

On that note, I think it is on topic - it is a valid question when you're spending billions on carriers and spaceships while there is chronic poverty in India where 12% live on less than $1.25 a day, 30% live below your own defined poverty line and where 42% of your children are under-nourished, just to name a few figures.

Our money, our choice we do what we want ,when we want , how we want.. if you are having any butt hurt over it..then thats too bad

Besides considering how your country is a poodle of America who is habituated with simply bombing and destroying countries . It helps to have defenses