Will you dodge the draft?

Originally posted by Curio
I'm also from the UK and I promise you there will be no draft here! Blair & Co are treading a very fine line as it is, the thought of there being a draft is laughable. It just won't happen.

I don't think there will be a draft in the US either. I'd put money on it

Too true. There's just not enough support here in the UK for whats happening in the Middle East. Blair is definately aware of this, and of the fine line he is treading. We have soldiers based all over who could be called to Iraq before they even having to think about concripting people.

On the other hand though, our armed forces are undersubscribed, and they are actively trying to recruit. Should things escalate, and other countries like Iran, Syria, or North Korea become involved in the war on terror, I don't think its out of the realms of possibility for the government to become a little more 'active' in armed forces recruitment. Things would have to get a lot worse for that to happen though.

Originally posted by Xatnys
Great job at excessive quoting in an effort to make a "non point".

I suppose quoting anything you write is excessive, since you obviously aren't interested in having a discussion about the topic. I see no reason to continue it with you. You have yet to raise a valid point or make an interesting comment. I will not even bother to read the rest of this post of yours.

jaruseleh
I personally believe every american should go through basic training...they don't even have to serve after that, just go through basic training

Lots of countries have required military service as a condition of citizenship. It'd never work in the US, but it'd be an interesting experiment nonetheless. Like maybe requiring everyone to go thru basic and be stationed somewhere (at least domestically) for a year after highschool, even if they are going to college.

For those of you who will flame me about "military brainwashing" or something

Indeed, why need it be brainwashing to think that a person should have to serve a country that raises them?

I wonder if most of the people who are saying that they would dodge the draft would consider being a 'conciensious objector', meaning that they still 'get' drafted but they don't serve in military positions. In the WW's they had people like this do some public works projects and the like domestically.

Well, I have 2 weeks before I turn 27, so I think I better answere this poll now.

I would not dodge the draft. Considering the life of luxery I have now, I know that I have it because of the men and women that have previously fought and are fighting now to provide it. I would be proud to be a part of the greatest military in the world, fighting for the greatest country in the world.

Originally posted by devilwasp
know what IS ironic?
the pres in charge dodged draft yet everyone is saying HE will enforce a draft HA HA.

THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH DEVILWASP

talk about cowards and dodge drafters, look at the man running the country. Also someone mentioned that the Democrats are introducing the draft and are the ones voting for it, did I say that they were any better?

I am not a coward, I wanted to enlist during the Afghanistan war, my parents wouldn't let me enlist though because I was still 17. I'm glad I didn't enlist, because I don't agree at all with this war.

People have their stances and we can't judge people without knowing their situation. I have a fiance, we are getting married in 9 months, and we are trying to have a kid.

My brothers (including my brother-in-law) who are fighting in this war are the most honorable men I've ever met. It kills me to see the death toll every day. However, I am not becoming a statistic, does that mean that I'm a coward? If so, at least I am an ALIVE coward!

Originally posted by RedDragon
Don't turn this into a debate. But, if you are in the U.S.A or U.K and are male or female 18-26 years of age, post whether you will dodge the draft or not when it comes.

Ummm... first off, GWB has promised us there wouldn't be a draft.
I'm sure we can ALL trust him, right? Right???

Anyway, IF there was a draft, and IF I was picked in the lottery to die for my country, then I would not dodge the draft, any more than I would abandon a woman I got pregnant, or leave the scene of an accident.

Whether or not one agrees with a law does not change the fact that it is a law.

Originally posted by Jaruseleh
Just curious, do you actually believe that everyone who is drafted will be thrown into the front lines? Who do you think trains those people? Who fixes the machines that train those people? Who fixes the people when they're hurt? There's a lot more to the military than guns and killing.

I understand what your saying is that physically I wouldn't be killing another. No matter what action or part of the system I was in whether it be engineering, maintenance, or whatever it would still lead to another's death. I don't want to be a part of it.

Edit hither. To all the people who responded with "your a coward" this is what I hear "I know you are, but what I am?"

Why don't you guys go fight now if it means so much to 'protect your countrymen' ?

[edit on 30-11-2004 by Aether]

I suppose quoting anything you write is excessive, since you obviously aren't interested in having a discussion about the topic. I see no reason to continue it with you. You have yet to raise a valid point or make an interesting comment. I will not even bother to read the rest of this post of yours.

Didn't read it? More like had no way to respond to it. Rather weak.

What a charade you are.

Weak.

Good luck to ya.

X

First off, there will be no draft in the UK or the USA.

Second, I tried to join the marines years ago. They would have non of it because my ACL is pretty much chewed up.

If there were a draft, and I were called to duty, I would go no hesitation. IMHO, everyone dies - better to die trying to help others achieve freedom and protecting my nation then to die cowering in some hash bar in Canada.

you are getting PAID to KILL people...

WHAT is better than this!?!?!!?!?!?!

anyway, i wouldn't go...

die for america

i would be scared too

Originally posted by Pisky

Originally posted by RedDragon

Originally posted by Pisky
And die in a senseless war to increase the profits of Bush and his cronies ?
We're not living in the eighteenth century now; War is not honourable, neither is it glorious to fall in battle - if it ever was.

I asked nicely not to post anything like this. Could a mod delete this please?

Since nothing I said was against Simon's Terms and Conditions, I doubt this will happen. However, since it is possible that the draft age-range could eventually be extended, I will answer the original question.

No, I will not fight for Blair. I will fight to defend Britain (as my grandfathers did in WW2) but I will not die in the Middle east just so Tony Blair can continue brown-nosing the Bush Administration.

[edit on 29-11-2004 by Pisky]

Why, Pisky, I'm shocked! I'd think the FIRST person to sympathize with America is someone who's (maybe) seen terrorism first-hand. Isn't the IRA still blowing up butcher shops and baseball-batting Catholics who fraternize with Protestants?

I STILL say, if it was Buckingham Palace that got leveled by a hijacked jet...or the Eiffel Tower...or the Kremlin...the world would be singing a different song.

[edit on 3-12-2004 by Toelint]

Originally posted by skippytjc
They should tatoo all draft dodgers with the word: "Coward" accross thier forheads. Then recall thier citizenship and send them to France.

Ill repeat: I hate this war and GWB, but damned if I am going to leave my countrymen hanging.

Can't let those american coffins go to waste huh ?

Originally posted by Aether
I would not go. My personal goals in life do not include killing another person and having somebody's casket on my soul is not the burden I want to live with.

I agree and I will not participate in this war or anyother war to come. I will keep our Fathers commands and try my hardest to please him in the rest of my days.

Revelation13:9,10
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Revelation14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

So you must understand that any attempt to save yourself ultimately is in vien since you can't even save your self. You must instead keep faith and keep the commands of God and keep patience.

The military way of life is not for everyone. I have been retired for 13 years, after 20 years service. I started in 1966, got out in 1968, went back in 1974 and stayed until 1992. I have seen the "Dawns early light" as well as many others have. If I had it to do over, YOU BET I'D DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN. From toting a rifle in the jungle, to riding a tank in Korea, Germany Iraq. I do not agree with war with any nation, but it's like taxes, they will always be there. I sort of like the American way of life. If a person has done time in the service whether it is in the National Guard, Reserves or Active Branches, at least that person has a right to talk about it. You who sit and cry about serving in the military, go on and do it, I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK ANYWAY. Just don't cry when the stuff hits the fan.

Originally posted by Toelint


Why, Pisky, I'm shocked! I'd think the FIRST person to sympathize with America is someone who's (maybe) seen terrorism first-hand. Isn't the IRA still blowing up butcher shops and baseball-batting Catholics who fraternize with Protestants?

the IRA is in northern ireland and secondly its PIRA that attacks also the peace process has been on for a while.

I STILL say, if it was Buckingham Palace that got leveled by a hijacked jet...or the Eiffel Tower...or the Kremlin...the world would be singing a different song.

firstly was it the white house that got levelled? no so 2 of those are out.
if you said edinburgh castle or something else then i might understnad.
also i dont think so. is it thier country? no . does it effect them? no . why should they care??

i agree with sminkey i wont fight for blair , i would die happy knoqinf i was defending my country and makeing sure one less or more enemy units/soldier/things where heading towards my friends and family.
i am not prepared to go and fight for some one who is not prepared to fight for thier family. if they cant fight then i would help them , help those would but cant, not those who wont but can.

" And if it ever comes down to there being a need for a draft, its going to be from such a serious 'traditional/main battle line' threat that anyone dodging it will have to be shot in the head immeadiately. IE "

Why? What difference does it make to the military or anyone if the person is dead or just not in the military? Either way, they're not getting military "service" out of the poor person.

I would say NO, I would not dodge the draft. Im in Australia and I do not think we will be drafting, enlistments rates are at a high right now. If the country needs soldiers to many would enlist than be drafted.

If my country called in need I would be there.

Originally posted by thelibra
Whether or not one agrees with a law does not change the fact that it is a law.

Just to play devil's advocate for a second..if there was a law criminalizing the drinking of any sort of beverage and the eating of all foods..would you abide by it knowing it would kill you in short order? If there was a law demanding you never have children..would you abide by it? If there was a law that commanded you to murder strangers..would you abide by it?

The draft is hanging over our heads and we CAN choose to disobey.

On that note..I think 'dodge' is not right for me, personally. I will bend like the reed and the draft will pass me by. Hmmm..anyone got a word for dodge that doesn't sound like it means dodge?

Seriously though, I'd tell the appeals board the truth and they'd pass me over for someone else. Put a rifle in my hands in a foreign land, 50 pound pack on my back, water for a few days..I'm gone man. I'd be back in the states in a fortnight with a brand new rifle...

I've never asked anyone to fight my battles for me. I don't feel very inclined to fight the battles of other people.

Of course if it was my fight I would feel quite differently. I would be the first in line if there was a pressing need to defend my town, my city, my state, or my country from foreign invasion. I would be a demon in the dark, making hell on earth for the fools who trespassed. In that way..I have more in common with the Iraqi's than I do with the political pulse of this country.

I think every real American, every real human being, feels the same way. It's when we get called on to murder and sacrifice our lives for the profits of other men, that's where sensible people draw the line.

If there is a draft and I enlist not get drafted but enlist. Get posted to a section with a bunch of draftes who were trying to dodge the draft, I'll be one pissed off guy. The last thing I need to worry about in a firefight is if that draft dodger who does not give a sh*t is covering my back. I would only want to be around enlisted people motivated for a fight.

I am faced with the very real possibility of this, as I will be 18 very soon. But I don't think that a draft will happen, but if it does I must do what is necessary, REMAIN IN COLLEGE!