what's your take on Russia.??? Doom? or hype?

a reply to: Jordan River

RUSSIA is AWARE of how far the political madness boundaries can go as are others. It is sad however that many people get caught in these war games. This planet is mature enough to know what's right and wrong when considering the species self hatred acts done upon thyselves... Would be nice to see their TRUE Vostok data, but...

its just the American government looking for another population down on their luck, so they can bring them into the American workforce and continue to drive wages even lower.

This administration is bound and determined to start WW3 before Obama leaves office.

It is rhetoric and fluff, nothing more, nothing less on the part of the West and Russia is playing a game for keeps, and hence the problem that is at hand.

Russia, does not want to lose the Ukraine or have it put any allegiance to any country save that of Russia. Russia needs the Ukraine, as it would have a warm water port. Most of its other ports tend to freeze and locks its navy out or in for part of the year, making it spotty at best. That is why it is going after the Ukraine, and it would be in Russia’s interest for Ukraine to be dependent on Russia.

The problem is that Russia holds a lot of the cards in this high stakes game of poker, and it knows it. It has vast resources untapped, and is using that as a bargaining chip. While the West thinks that the sanctions are going to hurt, the reality is that Russia holds the ultimate ace, and that is people like to be warm in the winter months. Europe cannot afford to irritate Russia to where the pipes are shut down and Russia refuses to do business with it. A cold and hungry person is always willing to make a deal with the devil for a bit of relief and comfort.

The sanctions will do nothing to Russia, it may hamper its economy, but then again, Putin is no idiot, nor is he just sitting idly by, he is going to old alliances, and seeking to renew them, and strengthen ties with them, along with building new ones. So it will mean a new cold war with the west, but it is going to make gambles and take chances that no one is willing to bet on and it will cost. While some would say go after the wealth, the problem is that one of the laws that Putin put into effect, pretty much cuts that off, as it is against Russian law for any person of authority to have wealth outside of Russia. So when the sanctions took effect, those in the government who got hit, pretty much are out of luck. And they really cannot go and complain, lest they raise the ire of Putin, who is acting like the rulers of the past Soviet Union.

During the cold war, every time a question popped up about intervening in a country, when Russia was not boycotting it, it voted against anything the USA was in favor of. And with this going on, it will do so again. So it is not surprising that it is back in Cuba, to bolster that countries economy and will make other forays into other South and Latin American countries, to gain a foothold and a grip.

China is the wild card in all of this, as it will sit back and wait, and Russia knows this. Any action that displeases the Chinese and it risks upsetting their neighbor. The facts are that Russia has more to worry about from China than the USA. So there is how things are coming around, if Russia makes an aggressive move, chances are China will back the USA, and vice versa. Both sides are dancing a dance where neither can afford to make a mistake. And China is just waiting, and watching.

At worst Ukraine will spiral down in an internal conflict fueled by Russia and Nato if they whish to counter it. It wont trigger WW III . Speaking of, we have war in much of the middle east and Africa. There is plenty of war going on as it is even if it does not involve your directly.

Negative. Thye pre-text to do something militarily was there as soon as Russia took over Crimea if WWIII was the goal. The US has done everything possible NOT to get dragged into this mess. Sanctions? Are you kiddding me. LOL

originally posted by: LrdRedhawk
This administration is bound and determined to start WW3 before Obama leaves office.

originally posted by: Jordan River
Is this situation in Ukraine a huge issue or something small miniscule? Do you believe that this is going to be a nuclear meltdown of a hot war or do you believe that this is nothing but cold fluff?
personally! I believe that this is the biggest situation in our generation that this could easily esculate into another war and that we are currently in the world war including Middle East possibly finger poking Iran and always up the skirt of North Korea . Not to mention dead bankers

Dead bankers are bigger, and the US/EU tension over the Snowden disclosure.
THAT is what the elite are trying to distract us from with Crimea.
THAT is what they don't want us to be looking at.
Remember the old conspiracy saying? "Whenever there's a big story in the media look for the one they're trying to distract you from."



What they're trying to distract all of you from with this minuscule Crimea rhetoric (which won't escalate past a regional war, at the MOST), is that the US and the EU are currently engaged in a cyberwar, the Government's BLM is trying to usurp the people, and the elite are cleaning house of dissident bankers taking a stand against their global financial hegemony.

THAT is what the Second Cold War and Second American Civil War is. Not the Russian Crimea situation.

It's the US and the EU vs. the WH.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
China is the wild card in all of this, as it will sit back and wait, and Russia knows this. Any action that displeases the Chinese and it risks upsetting their neighbor. The facts are that Russia has more to worry about from China than the USA. So there is how things are coming around, if Russia makes an aggressive move, chances are China will back the USA, and vice versa. Both sides are dancing a dance where neither can afford to make a mistake. And China is just waiting, and watching.

you are spot on about everything except China

China knows that Russia is a far more reliable partner to them than Back Stabbing US

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
the Ukraine, the Ukraine

I dunno if I am going to wade into this pool yet, but as a Ukrainian descendant and someone who has visited there many times, it must be pointed out that the country of Ukraine is NOT referred to as "the Ukraine". That is an archaic term that dates back to the Soviet era when "the Ukraine" was part of the USSR and it was referring to the region, IE just how Americans refer to the southern US as "the South" as a general term. It's just "Ukraine" now. It's a sovereign country at the moment.

originally posted by: Davian

originally posted by: Jordan River
Is this situation in Ukraine a huge issue or something small miniscule? Do you believe that this is going to be a nuclear meltdown of a hot war or do you believe that this is nothing but cold fluff?
personally! I believe that this is the biggest situation in our generation that this could easily esculate into another war and that we are currently in the world war including Middle East possibly finger poking Iran and always up the skirt of North Korea . Not to mention dead bankers

Dead bankers are bigger, and the US/EU tension over the Snowden disclosure.
THAT is what the elite are trying to distract us from with Crimea.
THAT is what they don't want us to be looking at.
Remember the old conspiracy saying? "Whenever there's a big story in the media look for the one they're trying to distract you from."

What they're trying to distract all of you from with this minuscule Crimea rhetoric (which won't escalate past a regional war, at the MOST), is that the US and the EU are currently engaged in a cyberwar, the Government's BLM is trying to usurp the people, and the elite are cleaning house of dissident bankers taking a stand against their global financial hegemony.

THAT is what the Second Cold War and Second American Civil War is. Not the Russian Crimea situation.

It's the US and the EU vs. the WH.

Good thinking. Switch and bait the fools.

Russia was Consecrated by Pope John Paul II...

Has Russia been Consecrated? - CATHOLIC APOLOGETICS


www.catholicapologetics.info/.../privaterevelation/russia.htm

... 1982, Pope John Paul II consecrated the world ... Several organizations have taken up the Fatima Revisionist cause in which Russia was consecrated ...

So, with Russia Consecrated, that leaves America USA open to judgement from above


note that JP 2nd was made a Saint just days ago...

Two Popes to be Canonized

ABC News · 4 days ago

Pilgrims rush to the Vatican as the Catholic Church prepares to canonize Popes John Paul II and John XXIII.

my take on Russia is that the USA & Russia (former soviet union) have traded destiny'... the USA is now GOG
and will lead a NATO fight against Jerusalem...Russia will join in on the campaign to secure the gas/oil pipelines in both Syria and the massive gas field (named Leviathon) in the territorial waters of modern Israel

originally posted by: RadiationAndCancer

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
China is the wild card in all of this, as it will sit back and wait, and Russia knows this. Any action that displeases the Chinese and it risks upsetting their neighbor. The facts are that Russia has more to worry about from China than the USA. So there is how things are coming around, if Russia makes an aggressive move, chances are China will back the USA, and vice versa. Both sides are dancing a dance where neither can afford to make a mistake. And China is just waiting, and watching.

you are spot on about everything except China

China knows that Russia is a far more reliable partner to them than Back Stabbing US

China and the United States have never come to blows. China and the Soviet Union, now known as Russia, have.

- Putin is freak'n brilliant. And he's a stone cold killer.
- Obama is weak and in over his head. Putin knows it.
- The Ukraine is a land grab for Russia.
- Russia will be able to do it with no issues from the USA.
- The process will be completed while Obama is in. He's easy to get around. Putin wouldn't do it when the next POTUS is in. That changes the game. There will be no war from the USA over the Ukraine.

That's my 'take' ... since you asked.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: RadiationAndCancer

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
China is the wild card in all of this, as it will sit back and wait, and Russia knows this. Any action that displeases the Chinese and it risks upsetting their neighbor. The facts are that Russia has more to worry about from China than the USA. So there is how things are coming around, if Russia makes an aggressive move, chances are China will back the USA, and vice versa. Both sides are dancing a dance where neither can afford to make a mistake. And China is just waiting, and watching.

you are spot on about everything except China

China knows that Russia is a far more reliable partner to them than Back Stabbing US

China and the United States have never come to blows. China and the Soviet Union, now known as Russia, have.

en.wikipedia.org...
You are either a liar, or poorly educated. The Boxer war, on Chineese soil.

originally posted by: 13th Zodiac

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: RadiationAndCancer

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
China is the wild card in all of this, as it will sit back and wait, and Russia knows this. Any action that displeases the Chinese and it risks upsetting their neighbor. The facts are that Russia has more to worry about from China than the USA. So there is how things are coming around, if Russia makes an aggressive move, chances are China will back the USA, and vice versa. Both sides are dancing a dance where neither can afford to make a mistake. And China is just waiting, and watching.

you are spot on about everything except China

China knows that Russia is a far more reliable partner to them than Back Stabbing US

China and the United States have never come to blows. China and the Soviet Union, now known as Russia, have.

en.wikipedia.org...
You are either a liar, or poorly educated. The Boxer war, on Chineese soil.

Sorry, I meant the People's Republic of China.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: 13th Zodiac

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: RadiationAndCancer

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
China is the wild card in all of this, as it will sit back and wait, and Russia knows this. Any action that displeases the Chinese and it risks upsetting their neighbor. The facts are that Russia has more to worry about from China than the USA. So there is how things are coming around, if Russia makes an aggressive move, chances are China will back the USA, and vice versa. Both sides are dancing a dance where neither can afford to make a mistake. And China is just waiting, and watching.

you are spot on about everything except China

China knows that Russia is a far more reliable partner to them than Back Stabbing US

China and the United States have never come to blows. China and the Soviet Union, now known as Russia, have.

en.wikipedia.org...
You are either a liar, or poorly educated. The Boxer war, on Chineese soil.

Sorry, I meant the People's Republic of China.

Ok, then you are missing the Chineese involvement in the Korean War.

originally posted by: 13th Zodiac

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: 13th Zodiac

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: RadiationAndCancer

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
China is the wild card in all of this, as it will sit back and wait, and Russia knows this. Any action that displeases the Chinese and it risks upsetting their neighbor. The facts are that Russia has more to worry about from China than the USA. So there is how things are coming around, if Russia makes an aggressive move, chances are China will back the USA, and vice versa. Both sides are dancing a dance where neither can afford to make a mistake. And China is just waiting, and watching.

you are spot on about everything except China

China knows that Russia is a far more reliable partner to them than Back Stabbing US

China and the United States have never come to blows. China and the Soviet Union, now known as Russia, have.

en.wikipedia.org...
You are either a liar, or poorly educated. The Boxer war, on Chineese soil.

Sorry, I meant the People's Republic of China.

Ok, then you are missing the Chineese involvement in the Korean War.

The Chinese entered on the side of North Korea after the United States was already involved. It did become a proxy war, but Truman was very clear that the United States would not enter China or confront it directly. On the other hand, China and Russia fell out over control of COMINTERN and have never really been friendly since.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: 13th Zodiac

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: 13th Zodiac

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: RadiationAndCancer

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
China is the wild card in all of this, as it will sit back and wait, and Russia knows this. Any action that displeases the Chinese and it risks upsetting their neighbor. The facts are that Russia has more to worry about from China than the USA. So there is how things are coming around, if Russia makes an aggressive move, chances are China will back the USA, and vice versa. Both sides are dancing a dance where neither can afford to make a mistake. And China is just waiting, and watching.

you are spot on about everything except China

China knows that Russia is a far more reliable partner to them than Back Stabbing US

China and the United States have never come to blows. China and the Soviet Union, now known as Russia, have.

en.wikipedia.org...
You are either a liar, or poorly educated. The Boxer war, on Chineese soil.

Sorry, I meant the People's Republic of China.

Ok, then you are missing the Chineese involvement in the Korean War.

The Chinese entered on the side of North Korea after the United States was already involved. It did become a proxy war, but Truman was very clear that the United States would not enter China or confront it directly. On the other hand, China and Russia fell out over control of COMINTERN and have never really been friendly since.

uk.reuters.com...

(Reuters) - China said on Wednesday it would conduct joint naval drills with Russia in the East China Sea off Shanghai in late May, in what it called a bid to deepen military cooperation.

I can assure you, they are the best of allies. There are both aware of the Western End Game.So share the same thoughts, one without the other is lost. After the other falls independantly, they are next. Both parties know this.Both Nations are very old and wise.They have lived side by side since their Nations formed. America on the other hand is a young pup bouncing around pissing the mature dogs off. If you have ever watched the activity in a public dog park, you may recognize the behaviour.The pup bounces around , Yap Yap . The mature dogs remember being youthfull and stupid and are tolarant to a point. But SNAP! and yip yip yip is how it is always going to end.

originally posted by: 13th Zodiac

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: 13th Zodiac

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: 13th Zodiac

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: RadiationAndCancer

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
China is the wild card in all of this, as it will sit back and wait, and Russia knows this. Any action that displeases the Chinese and it risks upsetting their neighbor. The facts are that Russia has more to worry about from China than the USA. So there is how things are coming around, if Russia makes an aggressive move, chances are China will back the USA, and vice versa. Both sides are dancing a dance where neither can afford to make a mistake. And China is just waiting, and watching.

you are spot on about everything except China

China knows that Russia is a far more reliable partner to them than Back Stabbing US

China and the United States have never come to blows. China and the Soviet Union, now known as Russia, have.

en.wikipedia.org...
You are either a liar, or poorly educated. The Boxer war, on Chineese soil.

Sorry, I meant the People's Republic of China.

Ok, then you are missing the Chineese involvement in the Korean War.

The Chinese entered on the side of North Korea after the United States was already involved. It did become a proxy war, but Truman was very clear that the United States would not enter China or confront it directly. On the other hand, China and Russia fell out over control of COMINTERN and have never really been friendly since.

uk.reuters.com...

(Reuters) - China said on Wednesday it would conduct joint naval drills with Russia in the East China Sea off Shanghai in late May, in what it called a bid to deepen military cooperation.

I can assure you, they are the best of allies. There are both aware of the Western End Game.So share the same thoughts, one without the other is lost. After the other falls independantly, they are next. Both parties know this.Both Nations are very old and wise.They have lived side by side since their Nations formed. America on the other hand is a young pup bouncing around pissing the mature dogs off. If you have ever watched the activity in a public dog park, you may recognize the behaviour.The pup bounces around , Yap Yap . The mature dogs remember being youthfull and stupid and are tolarant to a point. But SNAP! and yip yip yip is how it is always going to end.

The People's Republic of China is barely sixty years old. The Russian Federation barely twenty. The United States of America has been around for over two centuries... but I agree with your analogy.

The People's Republic of China is barely sixty years old. The Russian Federation barely twenty. The United States of America has been around for over two centuries... but I agree with your analogy.

That's picky, I'm well aware of that. Still have been the same peoples, under different banners for centuaries.Same players.As a whole both are much older than the U.S and have devoloped very strong cultures and histories.But I think we understand each other.