Obama: US military ‘significantly superior’ to Russia’s

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: crazyewok Well armed troops and tanks are just targets for air power once air dominance is gained.

Hitler had the same mentality with his much larger air force. He thought he could defeat the RAF at the Battle Of Britain. and gain air superiority.
We all know the outcome.

Operation Sea Lion was defeated by the self preservation of the British nation and its outstanding military. Had Hitler not started acting like a ferret on crack and actually listened to his military commanders history would be much different.

originally posted by: TDawg61
Welcome to the latest commie shill thread.Join date(like many)less than 2 weeks after Russian Crimean invasion.You fascists are soooo stealthy

Communists are easy prey.

It's not as simple as having a better military on paper, even if Russia was located where Mexico is it wouldn't be that simple. I have studied history enough to know geographies, tactics and the political situation inside the nations involved can be very decisive factors. The US is war weary right now and going to war with Russia would be a tough sell unless they decide to roll their tanks through to the English channel or something crazy like that.

As was the case in Vietnam the US leadership may find significant resistance to the war at home and perhaps far beyond even the resistance back then. This has happened a lot in history with powerful empires who were always at war and their own population got sick of it and the political or military forces within those empires used it to seize advantage at home.

In the end who knows what would happen but I know if I have to go fight on the vast steppes of Russia in winter and have my family potentially face nuclear winter at home because of the actions that led to war they had better have a really good reason behind it.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: crazyewok Well armed troops and tanks are just targets for air power once air dominance is gained.

Hitler had the same mentality with his much larger air force. He thought he could defeat the RAF at the Battle Of Britain. and gain air superiority.
We all know the outcome.

True that.If Hitler hadn't stabbed Russia in the back they would have been conquering Europe together.Same damn thing if your one of the conquered.

originally posted by: criticalhit

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Arnie123
These kinds of threads are a haven for those who come here to vent their hatred of the west.

So anti war is Anti west?

originally posted by: Arnie123
War with Russia would be bloody, but we will win, not by our own hand, but with the aid of our allies.

The arrogance is shocking!

Why would you win?

Look at WWII The Russian army at the start of operation barbarosa was in a far worse state than it is now! Hitler was about as far ahead of Russia as the US is now and he had Romanian and Italian allies. It ended up with millions of dead Germans. And Russia didnt have the advantage of a nuclear stockpile then.

US + Allies would likley meet the same fate.

You march on Moscow you end up dead

And no one wins WW3! Dont you get it? If it goes Nuclear and it likely will the result will be American major city's being turned in smoking radioactive holes. Tens of millions of Civilians dead. Even if you take Moscow or nuke it, Russia will have its pound of flesh and more in revenge.

originally posted by: Arnie123
I am a proud American Citizen/Soldier. Do Something.

I hope to god your not a commissioned officer as you don't have the foresight to even decide the cafeteria menu! You shouldn't be allowed to be in the same room were any major decisions are made!

Honestly, the Uk has been bleed dry of a male population worth it's weight.

Your actually a terrible ally to have, there is a tremendous amount of fear in your hearts, very little fight, a lack of conviction to stand to what you believe in beyond intellectual debate at least. an extreme lack of confidence as well.

Who says MAD even still exists, last I checked Russia had a total of 12 missiles shielded for electronics and then we have a layer of conventional defenses for those. Truth is, I doubt the US will engage the fight unless our tech can handle it.

In all reality, Russia is pretty isolated these days, the population of Nato combined is around 1.3 Billion vs 137 Million in Russia...spread thin, this isn't remotely Germany vs Russia. Conventionally the manpower and equip exists to walk right over them these days

There is no "communist block" China can't even begin to think about supporting Russia it's entire developed center sits alongside Taiwan, Japan and SK those cities with the greatest buildings in the world, it's economy and its tech sector all are in conventional strike range it would set them back 70 years to lunch one rocket when realistically if they lay low another 20 they will be the worlds leading super power by economic numbers and rate of advancement, this will be a ridiculous time for them to step up. Russia stands alone.... aside from Iran

As for Nukes, again, currently 12 are shielded for electronics and counter measures it's entirely plausible that they can't land a single one right now aside from via espionage tactics... smuggling one in. Why do you suppose the NSA records everything these days? For peoples porn lists?

Seriously as an ally, you guys have gotten really soft since the Germans pounded you

I had too read your post several times to see that you where actually being serious in what you stated.

Terrible ally ? What makes you think that?

Fear in our hearts? Fear about what exactly ?

The Germans pounded us? When and where was this exactly?

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: elysiumfire
200Plus:

Hearts and minds are not something you win they are something you aim at.

If I was Putin and under attack by America, I would make damn sure that the people in America experienced the war at first hand by attacking the cities. The American people would no longer be able to witness war simply on the TV safe and secure many thousands of miles away. This is what the American people need to experience up close and personal, just like the Vietnamese, just like the Koreans, just like the Iraqis. Only then will the current American population come to understand the pain of the death and destruction their military has brought to other sovereign countries simply to fulfil the hegemonic ambitions of its government's policies.

Truer words have never been spoken.

It would be nice if this was true maybe, personally I don't like American police force duty nor expeditionary behavior, i'd prefer we kept our money, defended ourselves and frankly believe the behavior of much of the world w/o our presence would leave us an economic power house. i.e Europe having to defend itself would have a great economic impact, Russian and Chinese aggression would cost those nations a lot of duckets and no one fights border wars without losses while here... we have an ocean to let us continually advance...

However, you underestimate the mentality here...heck even to be fair the sheer stupidity. I'm afraid your wrong. I hit on us would send us to madness, it wouldn't "teach us a lesson" it would galvanize us, we are indoctrinated with violence from birth, we have a huge low IQ sect, a steady religious population to fuel the fervor, a nation of gun lovers, a vast expanse to go guerrilla within, food, water, ego a sense of entitlement... and Nothing but nothing angers a person like their comfort stripped from them.... Yes the Russians are tough people, live hard lives. That's a rough thing to fight against. There is a thing that is scarier tho... the madness of a population that wakes up on the wrong side of it's comfortable bed.

a reply to: Vovin

So, after reaching a tentative agreement last night between the Ukraine, Russia and EU, we learn today that there are reports Pro-Russian groups that have illegally taken over government buildings in Ukraine are Refusing to leave the buildings.

Let's see if Mr. Putin and Russia live up to their commitments, which is to remove Pro-Russian factions from these buildings owned by the government of Ukraine.

originally posted by: criticalhit

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: elysiumfire
200Plus:

Hearts and minds are not something you win they are something you aim at.

If I was Putin and under attack by America, I would make damn sure that the people in America experienced the war at first hand by attacking the cities. The American people would no longer be able to witness war simply on the TV safe and secure many thousands of miles away. This is what the American people need to experience up close and personal, just like the Vietnamese, just like the Koreans, just like the Iraqis. Only then will the current American population come to understand the pain of the death and destruction their military has brought to other sovereign countries simply to fulfil the hegemonic ambitions of its government's policies.

Truer words have never been spoken.

It would be nice if this was true maybe, personally I don't like American police force duty nor expeditionary behavior, i'd prefer we kept our money, defended ourselves and frankly believe the behavior of much of the world w/o our presence would leave us an economic power house. i.e Europe having to defend itself would have a great economic impact, Russian and Chinese aggression would cost those nations a lot of duckets and no one fights border wars without losses while here... we have an ocean to let us continually advance...

However, you underestimate the mentality here...heck even to be fair the sheer stupidity. I'm afraid your wrong. I hit on us would send us to madness, it wouldn't "teach us a lesson" it would galvanize us, we are indoctrinated with violence from birth, we have a huge low IQ sect, a steady religious population to fuel the fervor, a nation of gun lovers, a vast expanse to go guerrilla within, food, water, ego a sense of entitlement... and Nothing but nothing angers a person like their comfort stripped from them.... Yes the Russians are tough people, live hard lives. That's a rough thing to fight against. There is a thing that is scarier tho... the madness of a population that wakes up on the wrong side of it's comfortable bed.

You sound like an American.

originally posted by: rickynews

originally posted by: poloblack

originally posted by: On7a7higher7plane
a reply to: texasgirl

Don't underestimate how classy international politics is. Putin and Obama are working together and against each-other in order to accomplish objectives. Sometimes these governments work against each-other in order to accomplish single objectives, like good cop bad cop. That's a big part of what I think is going on here. It's a big good cop bad cop situation that eastern Europe is being put through. They're working together, they don't want to compromise each-other ultimately I presume. This means for us that we as Americans are quite insulated from the conflict.

I get what you're try to convey here, but make no mistake about it, O is nowhere NEAR Putin's level concerning tactics and strategy. Putin could lead his military himself, O, not in this lifetime.

I think it is quite naieve and foolish to underestimate the President of The United States of America, or the home of the brave.

The POTUS does what he's told and I'm not naive by a longshot. Home of the brave? Once upon a time it was. Now it's the home of the slave. Now it's the home of fat, lazy, apathetic softies, and I'm not speaking of our military, because my family has served from WW2 up to today, right now. My female cousin was even a Marine and her sister was Army. Don't talk to me about naivity.

originally posted by: ammocase

originally posted by: poloblack

originally posted by: ammocase
I dont support military war in any way, but the US military are Giants when compared to any other country. Some posters are mixing up failures in occupying with failures in actual combat and engagement. Not only does the US have top technology when it comes to military weaponary, but they are the leader when it comes to training exercises around the world, they also engage in practice sessions with other countries due to their broad associations (like anti-terrorism training with the Israelis).

They are also allies and training partners with other nations who also are leaders in military technology, and also have a past of military invasion/imperialism (which believe it or not, counts when it comes to adding up experience to look back on).

And what are other people dont put into account - they have a large and high-tech spy network. If you think Afghanistan and Iraq was just oil and revenge, then you are wrong - the US i am sure infilitrated their gold-mine of terrorists networks that were hidden and in some cases ran those countries ( a country full of immigrants like the USA has its advantages, one being that we can hire a "die for the usa" american-born that is full-blooded muslim/arab, etc. to infiltrate and take over terrorist networks) - there is no coincidence that all these muslim countries are all of a sudden "REVOLTING" out of thin air, it started with the invasion of afghanistan and iraq, which were terrorists hot-spot centers that the USA now broke in and put under their wing.

I dont see Russia at that level at all.

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. Seriously. You are waaay off.

I guess you you know considering how since you want to star how the USA hasnt had a real enemy that they cant take on Russia? Who did Russia fight in recent years that you can 'back that up?' An american backed and armed Afghanistan -that toppled their faith and economy? Seems like the US did it to Russia already, and the consequences of that loss for the powerful soviets set off quite a #-storm after that.

Quote me where I said the US couldn't take on Russia. I didn't, so you can't. You're quite the armchair general.

originally posted by: criticalhit

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: elysiumfire
200Plus:

Hearts and minds are not something you win they are something you aim at.

If I was Putin and under attack by America, I would make damn sure that the people in America experienced the war at first hand by attacking the cities. The American people would no longer be able to witness war simply on the TV safe and secure many thousands of miles away. This is what the American people need to experience up close and personal, just like the Vietnamese, just like the Koreans, just like the Iraqis. Only then will the current American population come to understand the pain of the death and destruction their military has brought to other sovereign countries simply to fulfil the hegemonic ambitions of its government's policies.

Truer words have never been spoken.

It would be nice if this was true maybe, personally I don't like American police force duty nor expeditionary behavior, i'd prefer we kept our money, defended ourselves and frankly believe the behavior of much of the world w/o our presence would leave us an economic power house. i.e Europe having to defend itself would have a great economic impact, Russian and Chinese aggression would cost those nations a lot of duckets and no one fights border wars without losses while here... we have an ocean to let us continually advance...

However, you underestimate the mentality here...heck even to be fair the sheer stupidity. I'm afraid your wrong. I hit on us would send us to madness, it wouldn't "teach us a lesson" it would galvanize us, we are indoctrinated with violence from birth, we have a huge low IQ sect, a steady religious population to fuel the fervor, a nation of gun lovers, a vast expanse to go guerrilla within, food, water, ego a sense of entitlement... and Nothing but nothing angers a person like their comfort stripped from them.... Yes the Russians are tough people, live hard lives. That's a rough thing to fight against. There is a thing that is scarier tho... the madness of a population that wakes up on the wrong side of it's comfortable bed.

Lol, this made me laugh.

I saw the towers fall while standing a river away... no one was thinking anything but sadness and anger- once the sadness wore off we wanted war. Thats why some people believe the government/news incites war this way, any human is capable of turning beastly when their security is threatened. I like others, signed up with the military after this and i remember during training we played some country songs about the towers falling and we werent thinking anything except about fighting.

Any nation is better off showing off the US as savages and being nosey in external affairs by inflicting casualties on us while abroad and hope the global news catches on.

a reply to: alldaylong

Terrible Ally, France is more willing to fight these days than England, efforts in any fights have been token gestures since WW2 and steadily decreasing "showing up" is not commitment. You sent 45,000 troops to the gulf war, half of what Saudia Arabia committed, balked on Syria, and... to be fair, no one else sent crud... but as Nato and US allies goes that makes you the cherry on top of a poop Sunday, France ran out 14,000 and it was down hill from there... and Europe is nearly a Billion strong...

Fear in your hearts, Yes... Most of Europe is really freaking comfortable these days, you have it better than we do in the States, you have lived under our Nuclear Umbrella for decades, Posters love to spout MAD because you believe "it will never happen again" on your continent because of it, a couple of centuries of British expedition-ism and 2 world wars have left a philosophy that the effort to be a global force is fruitless and that Americas efforts are daft. Perhaps "fear" is a strong word? But by Philosophy the commitment is only to remain with a MAD enabling ally you believe will prevent Russia from moving West, beyond that the alliance is basically one sided.

and WW2... your cities were pounded almost daily, Normandy couldn't have happened without us, the British "stiff upper lip" couldn't have maintained itself forever and yes, your male population was bled dry since then of it's true heart and hasn't fully recovered to this day.

Just be honest, the average brit wants no part of a fight for any reason against anyone, you can argue the individual points but we know what general public opinion is, the Americans are foolish, we've been down this road, the alliance of Nato is a hedge and nothing more....

I'm not poking fun, frankly.... mostly these are good traits, If I didn't have a giant ocean between me and the actual field of battle i would be more pragmatic too... but the bottom line the will for a real fight is simply not there at all anywhere in Western Europe... Washington IS full of war Hawks, don't actually disagree with that in anyway. But the reality is... it's a sick sad world you live in, Europe will be come for again, via many different angles not just militarily, American aggression is there for a reason, for 20 years "The Russians will never".... LOL YES THEY WILL they are doing it right now... By economy and manpower YOU and the rest of Europe should be bearing and sharing the same level of technical and man power and economic expenditure we do

1 Billion (almost) vs 300 Million by GDP and Labor, your commitment should exceed the US by a factor of 3... it doesn't even come close and the Bear is on your doorstep not ours... In fairness, your the best we have, but that's still a joke.

originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: texasgirl
This is what worries me: Putin= Former KGB
Obama= Former Professor

I don't think it matters how superior our military is compared to Russia's. It's the strategy to outsmart the opponent. Putin keeps us guessing on what he's going to do next.

Obama being a professor is irrelevant.

Obama was a lawyer. What was the failure of the Bush administration? They were weak at jumping around laws. Obama is much better at it, which is probably why he just suddenly appeared on the scene when he was nominated for presidency (I'm a Canadian and I never heard of this guy before that).

And Putin wasn't just ex-KGB. He has a doctorate on economics, and possibly natural resources as well.

And you really believe that during the Bush administration they didn't have any lawyers at their disposal that were better than O? You can't be serious. I never heard of O before his nomination either and I'm American. Hell, no one knew this guy, he came out of nowhere.

Obama: US military ‘significantly superior’ to Russia’s - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

UH no it's not.

Take your pick after a decade of war.

Weapons systems that are more than 30 years old.

That has been gutted for the last 6 years.

Losing drones over places like Iran, etc.

Losing stealth helicopters in places like Pakistan.

The man is quite ARROGANT, and that arrogance gets Americans killed.

Like the Walter Reids, the lack of body armor during the Iraq War, and sheer stupity of the Humvee being woefully inadequate in both theatres of the ME.

Stupid is, and stupid says, and our fearless 'empty chair' clearly doesn't know the first thing about the military.

originally posted by: ammocase

originally posted by: criticalhit

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: elysiumfire
200Plus:

Hearts and minds are not something you win they are something you aim at.

If I was Putin and under attack by America, I would make damn sure that the people in America experienced the war at first hand by attacking the cities. The American people would no longer be able to witness war simply on the TV safe and secure many thousands of miles away. This is what the American people need to experience up close and personal, just like the Vietnamese, just like the Koreans, just like the Iraqis. Only then will the current American population come to understand the pain of the death and destruction their military has brought to other sovereign countries simply to fulfil the hegemonic ambitions of its government's policies.

Truer words have never been spoken.

It would be nice if this was true maybe, personally I don't like American police force duty nor expeditionary behavior, i'd prefer we kept our money, defended ourselves and frankly believe the behavior of much of the world w/o our presence would leave us an economic power house. i.e Europe having to defend itself would have a great economic impact, Russian and Chinese aggression would cost those nations a lot of duckets and no one fights border wars without losses while here... we have an ocean to let us continually advance...

However, you underestimate the mentality here...heck even to be fair the sheer stupidity. I'm afraid your wrong. I hit on us would send us to madness, it wouldn't "teach us a lesson" it would galvanize us, we are indoctrinated with violence from birth, we have a huge low IQ sect, a steady religious population to fuel the fervor, a nation of gun lovers, a vast expanse to go guerrilla within, food, water, ego a sense of entitlement... and Nothing but nothing angers a person like their comfort stripped from them.... Yes the Russians are tough people, live hard lives. That's a rough thing to fight against. There is a thing that is scarier tho... the madness of a population that wakes up on the wrong side of it's comfortable bed.

Lol, this made me laugh.

I saw the towers fall while standing a river away... no one was thinking anything but sadness and anger- once the sadness wore off we wanted war. Thats why some people believe the government/news incites war this way, any human is capable of turning beastly when their security is threatened. I like others, signed up with the military after this and i remember during training we played some country songs about the towers falling and we werent thinking anything except about fighting.

Any nation is better off showing off the US as savages and being nosey in external affairs by inflicting casualties on us while abroad and hope the global news catches on.

Laugh? sounds like your in agreement, i'm from NY, I was there too.. a lot of boys just straight signed up after that.

"weren't thinking anything but fighting" yeah, agreed... all i'm saying is the loss of American civilians will make us nuts, people have to be kidding themselves to believe if they think hitting us at home would work, as a guy who in his life went from very rich to currently poor, nothing breeds more anger than being woken from comfort.

originally posted by: Goteborg
a reply to: poloblack

Cut the crap. You're just as much of a chickenhawk as he is...you people disgust me.

Your disgust of me means NOTHING chump, and I surely don't come off as a chickenhawk, son. Go play now.

originally posted by: TDawg61

originally posted by: Goteborg
a reply to: poloblack

Cut the crap. You're just as much of a chickenhawk as he is...you people disgust me.

Joined ATS right after Russian invasion to spew Russian propaganda HERE.
And we disgust you?

I know, right??

originally posted by: poloblack

originally posted by: ammocase

originally posted by: poloblack

originally posted by: ammocase
I dont support military war in any way, but the US military are Giants when compared to any other country. Some posters are mixing up failures in occupying with failures in actual combat and engagement. Not only does the US have top technology when it comes to military weaponary, but they are the leader when it comes to training exercises around the world, they also engage in practice sessions with other countries due to their broad associations (like anti-terrorism training with the Israelis).

They are also allies and training partners with other nations who also are leaders in military technology, and also have a past of military invasion/imperialism (which believe it or not, counts when it comes to adding up experience to look back on).

And what are other people dont put into account - they have a large and high-tech spy network. If you think Afghanistan and Iraq was just oil and revenge, then you are wrong - the US i am sure infilitrated their gold-mine of terrorists networks that were hidden and in some cases ran those countries ( a country full of immigrants like the USA has its advantages, one being that we can hire a "die for the usa" american-born that is full-blooded muslim/arab, etc. to infiltrate and take over terrorist networks) - there is no coincidence that all these muslim countries are all of a sudden "REVOLTING" out of thin air, it started with the invasion of afghanistan and iraq, which were terrorists hot-spot centers that the USA now broke in and put under their wing.

I dont see Russia at that level at all.

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. Seriously. You are waaay off.

I guess you you know considering how since you want to star how the USA hasnt had a real enemy that they cant take on Russia? Who did Russia fight in recent years that you can 'back that up?' An american backed and armed Afghanistan -that toppled their faith and economy? Seems like the US did it to Russia already, and the consequences of that loss for the powerful soviets set off quite a #-storm after that.

Quote me where I said the US couldn't take on Russia. I didn't, so you can't. You're quite the armchair general.

Last post on page 5, didnt you star a post about how the USA hasnt fought a real enemy... and that they dont have the stomach to battle the Russians? Maybe i misunderstood how you claim Putin is a better strategist over the US current leader that he can lead the military himself (though i highly doubt Obama would actually strategist and LEAD men, lol), i thought that was obvious nod to Russias military in... i dont know, what the strategy is question was concerning... war?

If not my apologizes.

The Russians sure have a lot of fans in this thread.