MH370 missing (Part 2)

I think that I've found the real cause of the disappearance of MH370. It's related to the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

They are worried that the trade pact will deny people access to affordable medicine despite government assurances that national interests will not be jeopardized. The protesters are hoping that Prime Minister Najib Razak will stand firm and not be pressured ahead of US President Obama's upcoming visit to Malaysia. Dressed up as zombies, the protesters are trying to paint a grim picture of what will happen if Malaysia becomes a part of the agreement. These activists believe that the people will suffer as prices of drugs will spiral, and access to affordable health-care is denied as a result of monopoly and patent extension. The TPP is a multilateral free trade agreement currently being negotiated by 12 countries.

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Notice the date on the article about the zombie protesters! February 21, 2014! Just 2 weeks before MH370 was stolen.

And then there is the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement, of which Najib previously was a major supporter. The TPP is not particularly popular among Malaysians, and is not popular among the more conservative parts of Najib’s ruling coalition; Mahathir is publicly calling for the Malaysian government to drop TPP entirely. Najib himself has been backtracking on his previous pro-TPP rhetoric. TPP is still far from being wrapped up, and has many outstanding issues unrelated to Malaysia, including a lack of support for TPP in the U.S. Congress as well. But the changing political climate in Malaysia, and the increasingly tepid support for the agreement in the ruling coalition, is not helping pass the deal. Obama will not be able to tout TPP in Kuala Lumpur either.

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a reply to: Zaphod58

Really reaching back in time here, but as I recall our techs had to remove the xpdr, bench it, hook it up to a programmer, then re install. Again, really reaching back in the memory banks.

a reply to: Mikeultra

I noticed you're ignoring replies now. So which is it. Was it a real flight that disappeared, or was it faked? You can't have it both ways.

a reply to: rockflier

Most of the time they'll pull it, and reprogram it. It's a hell of a lot easier to do it on a bench, than to do it in the electronics bay. Especially considering you can barely stand up in there.

It CAN be done while mounted, but I don't recommend it.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Thanks! Remember, I was JAFC. Just another _____ Captain.

originally posted by: ispyed
I keep trying to understand why the Malaysian air force did not intercept the jet when it flew over Malaysia. Were they asleep? Could not care less?

Has anyone got any ideas?

Yeah of course because it never flew back over Malaysia.

If you bother going back to press releases about it from 14 March it was not an official release and the Director General of Civil Aviation Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, denied that an aircraft was tracked in the Straits of Malacca through VAMPI, GIVAL and IGREX. A Malaysian Air Force General also denied the overflight, however the Malaysian Police kept insisting that it was true and overruled the former.



The story was originally broken that "two sources close to the investigation" who asked not to be named made the allegations of MH370 climbing to 45,000ft then flying through the Straits via VAMPI, GIVAL and IGREX.



We can tell that non aviation people spun this story because it would not have taken an aviation expert long armed with the take off weight of 266,000kg to dismiss the claim MH370 flew to 45,000ft out of hand.

What actually happened it seems is that Malaysian Police with whatever agenda they had got involved speculated on some half baked theories by people with no aviation experience and dictated to Civil Aviation and the Air Force their views. Therefore from now on let's out the people responsible for rumour mongering in this tragedy and call them the Malaysian Police.

The Malaysian Police apparently checked with Kuala Lumpur Air Traffic Services (ATS) and learned that the transponder was turned off at 17:21 UTCand assumed this was grounds for suspecting a criminal act and then began trying to build a criminal case around it.

In fact MH370 reached a point slightly east of IGARI about 17:24 UTC after signing off by voice with Kuala Lumpur at 17:19 and being told to establish contact with Ho Chi Minh ATS (Vietnam). Since the boundary for Vietnamese airspace is just a couple of clicks north of IGARI they did what they were supposed to do and entered a Log Oncode for Vietnamese airspace into their ADS-C communications system which transmitted via a mode S transponder.

In effect by logging on to Vietnamese Air Traffic Service, they logged off their transponder with Kuala Lumpur. The organisation SITA detected the new log on with Vietnam and continued to track the aircraft flying east.

There was no turning off the transponder, but Malaysian Police latched on to this with their conspiracy theories.

At the Lido Hotel in Beijing gathered relatives of passengers lost on MH370 heard a closed private briefing from Malaysian airline officials and embassy representatives on 21 March. They were shown on a large screen the military radar display which Malaysia by then was all singing the same tune about. Relatives were told the radar display showed the flight of MH370 through the Straits of Malacca.

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The Malaysian Government has always refused to publicly reveal the radar track sighting sensitivities around the information. It is a fairly simple thing to publish the facts, but they refuse to because it proves they lied in the first place.

When you overlay the real route tracked by Malaysian military radar it does not lead back to IGARI, does not zig zag from VAMPI to GIVAL, nor does it depart the Straits via IGREX either.

a reply to: rockflier

I only had to crawl through that electronics bay a few times, thank God. I'm not one to get claustrophobia, but dear god it's tight in there.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Mikeultra

I noticed you're ignoring replies now. So which is it. Was it a real flight that disappeared, or was it faked? You can't have it both ways.

I didn't intentionally ignore you. I thought you were just making a statement. I'm unsure if the flight was real or faked. But I'm sure that it is a secret operation aimed against the Malaysian government. I never ignore people!

originally posted by: UKGuy1805
Here's a longggg stretch of the immagination - Mas 370 after turning for IGARI went (Invisible) liased with some mil aircraft(thay dont show up on normal transponder radars), Mas 370 (actual plane) changed ID and went a different route, in the meen time 370,s ping was carried on for a while while transfered to the mil jet, then let go giving the impression the plane had crashed etc?

It did not go invisible. It logged off with Kuala Lumpur and logged on with Vietnam (Ho Chi Minh FIR) and SITA continued to get ADS-C returns from MH370 after it turned east via ground VHF repeater stations until it flew out of their range.

When you log off with Kuala Lumpur ATS at 17:21 UTC crossing the boundary into Vietnamese airspace and log on with Vietnam that does not mean you turned off your transponder.

SITA kept getting MH370 updates via 1090 MHz as the aircraft turned and flew east.

a reply to: sy.gunson

Amazing how none of the ADS-C info was released originally. Good find.

a reply to: Zaphod58

In the 75/76 series I never had ANY desire to go into the "nether regions". I would have gotten a wrench thrown at me just for looking into any maint. areas. Recognize the 75 in my avatar?

a reply to: rockflier

Fortunately for me (I worked the military side of things) we didn't do anything until after the Aircraft Commander (Captain) left. They just got in the way.

We did have an Israeli 707 testing some electronics out once. They had to be towed to the end of the runway before starting engines (that was part of the test), and they let us ride with them, but they didn't tell us until after they started towing. So they stopped and we climbed up through the Hell Hole. I had to crawl, and both shoulders were touching the electronics panels on either side at points.

a reply to: Zaphod58
LOL. I hear that. I worked both sides of the fence as enlisted then WO on Hueys (RVN),

a reply to: rockflier

You have a U2U.

i know this may be crazy, but does anyone think the plane could of made it anartica and landed on the ice?

a reply to: sy.gunson

Per your post data

It certainly looks like if the plane turned east then south out of Viet ATC space it would be right on the southern arc developed from the sat data.

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originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: sy.gunson

Per your post data

It certainly looks like if the plane turned east then south out of Viet ATC space it would be right on the southern arc developed from the sat data.

I have never made a secret of the fact I believe the aircraft suffered a fire and explosive decompression off the coast of Vietnam. I believe that pilots turned MH370 around before being overcome by disaster and it flew on as a ghost plane on autopilot.

I believe the oil rig worker off Vietnam (Mike McKay) made a valid sighting of an aircraft on fire west of himself for 10-15 seconds. With decompression at 35,000ft any fire within the cabin would extinguish very quickly due to lack of oxygen. An explosion was detected on the seabed along the projected route 85 minutes after take off at 16:42 UTC. My maths is not the most reliable however, I guess if that was MH370 then that puts the time it turned around at 17:57 UTC and about 230nm past IGARI on a heading of 040 from IGARI.

I plotted this scenario and from where it would have turned around. From that point to where Ocean Shield heard pings on the seabed I estimate it flew at 278kt. I doubt it could maintain 35,000ft at 278kt, but I am uncertain what altitude it would drift down to. I know the B777 cruise speed at 18,000ft is 280kt.

originally posted by: jaffo

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I wont be moving any goals you argumentative pratt!!
Even if they find the plane aand the BB's you will never no the real truth behind this episode.
If you think that you will be told the truth and the whole truth then you are a blind dimwit!!
Whatever happened the whole truth will never be told to the public. It never is!
Like I said sh.t stinks! And brown aint green and nor am I. You can please yourself!
Find some real nut to argue with.
Thanks
Good day

You have already moved the goal posts and you have already made up your mind. You have stated plainly that "even if they find the plane and the bodies you will never get the whole story." You clearly have no interest in knowing the truth because you have already made up your mind. And way to resort to name-calling, lol...butthurt much?

Totally agree with you Jaffo.

We are told they must have switched planes, or that it flew north shadowing another Boeing 777, landed near Kandahar and then when they heard B/B pings someone suggested they planted a fake B/B pinger on the seabed.

If they ever raise those pingers there will be yet another weird unrealistic theory about planting evidence, or someone will suggest it ditched next to a Russian submarine which kidnapped passengers.

Anything except just accepting that it was simply a bizarre accident.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
The claims now being made include that it was in Vietnamese airspace for 15-20 minutes before turning, and it climbed as high as 39,000 feet.

Duh... that is where it was actually flying to.

...and no it did not climb to 45,000ft or 39,000ft. It was far too heavy to climb above 36,000ft

a reply to: sy.gunson

Yes, the route from VAMPI to GIVAL and then heading to IGREX is false information.

Do you mean that an aircraft has to be logged on to an ATC for the transponder to transmit its position and thus is visible on civilian radar?

I would say that the route was from Butterworth/Penang in the direction of VAMPI and passing by MEKAR to SANOB and IGEBO.
The route shown in the picture means it was not flying in an air corridor, i wonder if this is common practise to do so while heading to a waypoint.

This is a path towards the location where the signals were picked up.



It's speed must have been reduced to about 330kn after it had headed to a southerly direction, while the first part (take off and reaching the first ping line) must have been with a speed of at least 466kn.

The conflicting part is, it seems inconsistent with the data from Inmarsat which indicates that it was moving away from the satalite until 18:29.



After 25 minutes it seems to be heading towards the satalite for a few minutes which would indicate that there was a plan to divert from it's route and to head back to KL, it could have flown from IKUKO to VENLI and then made the decision to proceed on it's way to IGARI.
This would also be in line with MH370 contacting ATC at 17:07 for a confirmation about their altitude which to me seems strange to do because it already reported it's flightlevel at 17:01.