MH370 missing (Part 2)

a reply to: roadgravel

Yes, and other traffic would certainly have heard it if there was communication.
That is why i do not believe that either JAL750 or MH88 has been able to establish contact with MH370.

Radar plot

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Flight path

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I would venture the fire destroying maintenance records was a cover to hide something if it can be proved a equipment failure.

originally posted by: earthling42--->To my knowledge each engine has an electrical generator, so it seems that this aircraft was flying with a malfunctioning generator and during flight the other generator failed as well.

The B777 has 4 engine driven generators, so each engine has 2 direct driven generators.
It was a design requirement in the early days of the B777 to achieve minimum 180 minutes ETOPS.

a reply to: Ivar_Karlsen

Yes, thanks, one main generator in each engine 120 KVA and a back-up generator 25 KVA and of course the APU 120 KVA in the case that both engines fail.

So rather than all generators had failed, it seems more likely that there must have been something wrong with the A/C electrical system.

Now we are cooking... It seems the families have offered a reward for some significant information on the coverup. 3 million dollars should produce some results I hope.

Some airport worker could really make a new life for themselves with this money.

Actually it is an indiegogo project being launched on Monday 9th June but I still think it is a good idea to try to get some break in the investigation. There is also that name again - Sarah Bajc - However, it needs someone to step forward and take the initiative and if she is dishonest it may give her enough rope to figuratively hang herself. If she is honest, then it will help with her credibility.

I hope they have a panel of people from the families of the deceased who will be deciding who to give the money to for any information they receive.

originally posted by: qmantoo

Some airport worker could really make a new life for themselves with this money.

Too late if he was working at Pakistan's Karachi International.

www.bbc.com...

CNN interview with Immersat asking if their calculations are correct. - From 27th May, so a while ago now.

a reply to: qmantoo

A lie in the very first minute

"no communication initiated from the plane itself"

Ohh? and what is this?

18:25 - Log-On Request, initiated from the aircraft terminal. This is the end of the link lost period that began at sometime between 17:07:48 and 18:25.

The data, R channel.

data 7/03/2014 16:42:04.408 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 146 14920 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 16:42:31.906 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 125 14900 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 16:42:47.907 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 123 14920 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 16:43:12.407 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 126 14920 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 16:55:37.907 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 156 15200 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 16:55:52.907 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 159 15200 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 16:56:07.906 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 158 15220 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 16:56:17.407 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 156 15240 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 17:07:03.907 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 130 15600 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 17:07:18.906 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 132 15600 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 17:07:33.907 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 130 15620 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 17:07:48.907 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 131 15620 ACARS
data 7/03/2014 18:25:34.461 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 273 51700 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 18:27:03.905 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 176 12560 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 18:27:08.404 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 172 12520 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 18:28:14.904 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 143 12480 Acknowledge User Data
data 7/03/2014 19:41:02.906 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 111 11500 Log-on/Log-off Acknowledge
data 7/03/2014 20:41:04.904 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 141 11740 Log-on/Log-off Acknowledge
data 7/03/2014 21:41:26.905 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 168 12780 Log-on/Log-off Acknowledge
data 7/03/2014 22:41:21.906 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 204 14540 Log-on/Log-off Acknowledge
data 8/03/2014 00:10:59.928 IOR-R1200-0-36ED R-Channel 252 18040 Log-on/Log-off Acknowledge

Log-On Request, initiated from the aircraft terminal.
data 7/03/2014 18:25:27.421 IOR-R600-0-36E1 R-Channel 142 17120
data 8/03/2014 00:19:29.416 IOR-R600-0-36F8 R-Channel 182 23000
data 8/03/2014 00:19:37.443 IOR-R1200-0-36F6 R-Channel -2 49660

I'm now getting the feeling that the 300 missing human beings have been moved down to the bottom of the priority list. Most important to the authorities at this point is saving-face and avoiding lawsuits.

originally posted by: carewemust
I'm now getting the feeling that the 300 missing human beings have been moved down to the bottom of the priority list. Most important to the authorities at this point is saving-face and avoiding lawsuits.

Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 had 239 people on board.

Not had this yet I think.

MH370: Australia appoints Fugro for bathymetric survey of search area

KUALA LUMPUR: The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) signed a contract with deep water survey company, Fugro Survey Pty Ltd (Fugro), to conduct a bathymetric survey of the seafloor in the search area for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, the Joint Agency Coordinating Centre (JACC) said in a statement.

The bathymetric survey will provide a map of the underwater search zone, charting the contours, depths and composition of the seafloor in water depths up to 6,000 metres.

The survey will provide crucial information to help plan the deep water search for MH370 which is scheduled to commence in August.

It seems the link above is for a survey of the bottom of the sea and NOT to search for the plane.

That tender is still ongoing and open I think. The Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute was the organisation who found the French airplane crash site just after they started looking 2 years after it went missing.

It seems unlikely to me that the plane flew to fuel out and was landed on the ocean in one piece and sank. If it crashed it must be somewhere far from the search area since not a bit of wreckage was found. I imagine it is possible it went where believed but the odds look so high against it happening.

originally posted by: qmantoo
The Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute was the organisation who found the French airplane crash site just after they started looking 2 years after it went missing.

Of course - they wouldnt do this to drum up business would they?? I wouldn't put anything past corrupt money hungry politicos.

originally posted by: roadgravel
It seems unlikely to me that the plane flew to fuel out and was landed on the ocean in one piece and sank. If it crashed it must be somewhere far from the search area since not a bit of wreckage was found. I imagine it is possible it went where believed but the odds look so high against it happening.

upload.wikimedia.org...

Why do you cling to the lies?

Maybe all the wreckage was COLLECTED from a location far from the Southern Indian Ocean.

The picture above illustrates one PRECEDENT for DECEPTION.

If the plane crashed on the ocean three months ago, the debris, if uncollected would have dispersed over thousands of square miles and SOMETHING would have been found by now.

If a RUSSIAN SUBMARINE can be recovered from right under the noses of their Navy, imagine how easy it would be to scoop up the flotsam of a plane one day after shooting it down.

originally posted by: Psynic
Why do you cling to the lies?

Maybe all the wreckage was COLLECTED from a location far from the Southern Indian Ocean.

What about the Inmarsat data, are you saying that's a lie? If an Asian country shot the plane down I don't see how that gives Inmarsat incentive to lie or present false data. I can't say I'll trust Inmarsat's analysis until the plane is found, and they haven't been very forthcoming with how they did their analysis; releasing the raw data was insufficient. But it's hard to reconcile even a screw-up by Inmarsat of the analysis with your shoot-down theory, isn't it?

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: Psynic
Why do you cling to the lies?

Maybe all the wreckage was COLLECTED from a location far from the Southern Indian Ocean.

What about the Inmarsat data, are you saying that's a lie? If an Asian country shot the plane down I don't see how that gives Inmarsat incentive to lie or present false data. I can't say I'll trust Inmarsat's analysis until the plane is found, and they haven't been very forthcoming with how they did their analysis; releasing the raw data was insufficient. But it's hard to reconcile even a screw-up by Inmarsat of the analysis with your shoot-down theory, isn't it?

Yes, I agree with you, the shootdown theory is in conflict with a portion of the IMMARSAT data, however the 'Doppler Analysis' of the satellite data is highly suspicious, to say the least.

If doppler effect had any factual basis for pinpointing aircraft the technique would be fully developed by the defence industry long ago.

I consider it ludicrous to suggest a whole new form of pinpointing a target was developed just to find MH370, especially at such a propitious time.

The search of the southern Indian Ocean is in my opinion a diversion. Whether that diversion was from the plane's destination in Kazakhstan or from a crash site at some point en route is my only question.

I have to say, now that we have a decent map with the flight path, and a high res plot, we are able to reliably calculate the route and see how fast this aircraft must have flown, but also it gives an indication of how much time there was between the disappearance from secondary radar (transponder disabled) and when it diverted from its intended flight path.

We know it flew with a speed of 472 knots when the aircraft passed by IGARI and flew directly towards BIBAN track 040.
At 17:22 the aircraft disappeared from radar, and started to turn back within the next minute, to fly back over the Malaysian peninsula.
With a tailwind the speed increased to 500 knots and even 510 knots when it flew towards VAMPI and MEKAR until the last position (18:22) where it disappeared from radar because it was out of range.
So it certainly does not seem that there was any intention of landing at a nearby airport because of a problem, which makes a hijack more likely.
But is seems unrealistic that this aircraft flew the remainder of the flight with a reduced speed between 323 and 350 knots.
Either they have more information which has not been released, and which has helped them to calculate the speed after the aircraft turned towards the south, or the current search area is simply not where it has crashed.