Classified FBI files claim Adolf Hitler escaped by submarine to Argentina

originally posted by: cayrichard
The jury is still out as to whether this is true or not. Hitler was Time's "Man of the Year" twice. He had a big sympathetic following in the US among elites who preferred a Fascist government to a Republic, including grandpa Bush. There was a lot of evidence suggesting Martin Borman fled to Argentina and he was protected there and was even writing million dollar checks that passed through the big NY banks. If high ranking nazi's moved to Argentina and were not caught by the Nazi hunters they clearly had a helping hand. a reply to: sk0rpi0n

And the KGB just wouldn't be looking there? Argentina became a Communist country under Peron. Don't you think if Hitler were there, the Argentinian government would just allow this without sharing this information with the KGB? Even if he did go to Argentina, the KGB would have killed him because the KGB knew where everyone was going, especially into countries that were Communist leaning.

a reply to: ionwind

Okay .... so the video on this thread is debunked.
(not the opening post)
I guess we can officially say that the video is a hoax.

Good work ionwind.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: ionwind

Okay .... so this thread is debunked. I guess we can officially say that this story is a HOAX.

Good work ionwind.

wait, I'm a little confused here. The photo that was an obvious fake had nothing at all to do with the op, so please explain how that photo being debunked causes this whole thread to become a hoax.

a reply to: azdaze

The photo was used in the video as proof that Hitler was there.
The photo was a hoax. So if that 'proof' is a hoax, then the
rest of the whole video is questionable.

(the video ... not the opening post)

I edited this because I had a brain fart and referred to the 'opening post' instead of the video.

a reply to: FlyersFan

There's no video in the OP. There is a link to a Yahoo news article, and that article doesn't contain a video either.

a reply to: FlyersFan

OP is about classified documents released....
All they said was they took claims that hitler was down there seriously and that they had a man that said he saw him and gave that testimony in exchange for asylum
Where is all of that debunked? Where does it become a hoax?

originally posted by: azdaze
There's no video in the OP. There is a link to a Yahoo news article, and that article doesn't contain a video either.

Awww ... yep .... I had a brain fart. I was thinking of the story on another page and not the opening post. It all mushed together. You are right. the video is debunked .. not the opening story because of that debunking.

ETA .. I'll edit my post.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Yep ... I edited my post. I was meaning the video and not the opening post. The fact that the photo was a fake in the video, and that was the 'big proof' for the video, then the rest of the video is in question. I meant the video .. not the opening post ..

got it .... fixed my post. Thanks for the quick check.

Iv just finished speaking to my mother who lived in Fockbek Schleswig-Holstein and in 1972 she and my step father ran a discotheque in the village, one evening after closing they both noticed one of the farm building lights were on.
they both went to see what was going on looked through the windows and seen people in SS uniforms and the swastika flag all shouting sieg heil.

Mum spoke to one of the locals the next day about it but she swiftly dismissed it saying "don't talk about it u will die"

Why mention this you may ask!

I believe theres so much secrecy to this day regarding the nazis and still is a stong presence in Germany so much hush hush

I just wanted to share my story I had this afternoon with mum.

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Because they didn't find a body (it was burned), they made up these pictures in case you spotted him:



Some of these are better than the photoshopped version, but he's still fugly.

He would have soon died of Parkinson's disease (a genetic disease) anyway.

the house of him


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in fact he had two daughters with eva Braun, one of her still living here

This brazilian ship was destroyed by one of its submarines he when he was coming here

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General Perón was a follower and admirer of the policies of hitler

He most probably DID die in that bunker with Eva Braun by suicide. But the whole thing just doesn't fit with me.
"No worries guys, nothing to see here, he's dead and burnt nothing left. Lets go home".

A part of me thinks he got away and lived for a few more months in pain somewhere before dying and being buried by whoever he was with.

The other part of me thinks nothing was found we were told he was dead just to say the evilest man ever has gone and we can breathe easy.

I'm sure there were more substantial leads the FBI looked into, but we'll never know of these I wouldn't think.

originally posted by: rhynouk
He most probably DID die in that bunker with Eva Braun by suicide. But the whole thing just doesn't fit with me.
"No worries guys, nothing to see here, he's dead and burnt nothing left. Lets go home".

It wasn't as simple as that, the Russians were going after Hitler, they knew Hitler was in Berlin, and Hitler still gave battle orders from the bunker.

If you think the Russians were just playing nice when they took the Nazis prisoners, they tortured them until they got the truth. Call it barbaric but the Russians at that time weren't nice. The Russians wouldn't have taken Hitler to a military court anyway and after the years of propaganda against the Russians he didn't stand a chance.

How would Hitler even escaped in the first place? Could he have escaped by car? Not likely, the Russians were blowing them up right and left. Could he have escaped on foot? If he was caught in the attempt of escaping through the woods, Russian soldiers were finding them anywhere.

But the worst thing the Russian rear guard soldiers did was rape and loot, but then again, perhaps Berliners deserved it.

The Russians tore Berlin up. Maybe it's the Germans who feel a little like the bully who gets beat so badly on the playground that they can't accept the beat down and hope their Ubermensch is somewhere out there to come and take revenge? No one wants to accept their Superman died. At 3:45 watch how they are hanging the Nazi foot soldiers upside down.

Battle of Berlin, the first shock and awe.

Most likely a hoax, it's practically impossible, it's merely intuitive, to look at it logically one would need to see evidence. I guess someone could exhume his remains under the trash depot.

a reply to: hellobruce
The V-2 would be a pretty good candidate.

a reply to: WarminIndy
The Soviets didn't do that all on their own.....The RAF & USAAF had already laid waste to large parts of Berlin before they ever got there.

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Found this on that ridiculous 'Sharkhunters' site:

The magazine Diario Illustrade of Santiago, Chile published an article on 18 January 1948 in which it reported on an incident at Templehof Airfield on 30 April 1945. The writer was friends with a gunner in a Ju 52 that had young SS troops for the defense of Berlin. He reported this;
“During this refueling operation he was suddenly elbowed in the ribs by his radio operator with a nod to look in a certain direction. At about 100 - 120 meters he saw a sleek ARADO AR 234. He and the radio operator saw, without any doubt whatsoever, standing in front of the jet, their Commander in Chief, Adolf Hitler dressed in field-grey uniform and gesticulating animatedly with some Party functionairres who were obviously seeing him off. For about ten minutes whilst their plane was being refueled the two men observed this scene and around 4:30pm they took to the air again. They were extremely astonished to hear during the midnight military news bulletin some seven and a half hours later, that Hitler had committed suicide."

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Presumably Hitler, despite his medical condition had learned to fly jet aircraft then.....The Arado 234 was a single seater!

The only way he could have been transported is strapped to one of the external bombracks.....It didn't even have a bomb bay!

Utter Rubbish!

a reply to: WarminIndy

Umm, what? When did Argentina become Communist? Peron provided protection to Nazi war criminals. Why would have have done that if he was in bed with the Russians?

a reply to: InvisibleOwl

The last pic. we see of Adolf is taken in the Bunker as he reviews the last of his troops to defend Berlin. I would contend that the man we are seeing with his advanced Parkinson's couldn't hit a barn door at ten feet with his shaking hand let alone shoot himself in the head, bearing in mind the tremors get worse as the anxiety increases.
How can Hitler and Eva disappear? He had Spain and Argentina, that could have given them new identities at the drop of a hat, from that moment on they were to all intense and purposes deceased. The use of doubles makes for the interesting question which Hitler is Hitler. His personal artwork looted from around Europe has never been found, and it would be in the interest of those hiding him to have everyone think he was a sick old man on his last legs, because their fate was bound up with his.

The Fuhrer's last public appearance was the afternoon of April 20th as he congratulated a team of Hilterjugend tank destroyers who were awarded metals in the chancellery garden. A newsreel was made. He was joined by Speer, Fegelein, Goring, Bormann, von Below, Goebbels, Gunsche and the Reichnfuhrer Himmler.

a reply to: spooky24

Cause you were there and saw him take his life...Not body can know for sure, especially with what the DNA testing came back and said about was found and taken.
Not saying the OP is true, but is about as true as what you just said, think OP even had a link

a reply to: anonentity

I think it is interesting that the senior Nazi leadership would have plans and backup plans on what to do if things fall apart. The notion that Hitler would not also have plans in place, imo, seems unrealistic.

When the Soviets started to interrogate those from the bunker they were unable to tell the same story twice. People were in the room when they committed suicide, no one was in the room, Hitler took cyanide and his personal valet is the one who shot him in the head to give the impression Hitler died as a soldier.

Once the war was over and the tally made, over 250k Germans were unaccounted for. There is ample evidence there were escape routes out of Germany that were preplanned. There is more than ample evidence the bulk of the Nazis who fled went to South America. Hitler / SS employed several body double with speculation that the body in the bunker was one of those doubles.

Even Stalin told the western leaders that Hitler had survived and was in S. America. Based on the paranoia Hitler and Stalin had for each other, I don't think Stalin would intentionally mislead with that comment. If Hitler were dead I would have expected the Soviets to put him at the front of the May day parades in an open casket. The body of Hitler the Soviets supposedly had was examined by the West. It turned out not to be Hitler and in fact, was determined to be the body of a female.

Even today there are still high ranking Nazis on the loose. Between Odessa and the SS, great pains were taken to silence anyone who poked their noses in to far in S. America. The Israelis, when they snagged Eichmann, missed Dr. Mengele by a day or so. He dropped of the face of the earth and as far as I know the Israelis never did find him. The town Mengele was living at in S. America had an unusual amount of twins born, which was part of his primary focus in the concentration camps.

Absent verified forensic information, I think Hitler survived the war.