UK Falklands military exercises 'provoke' Argentina

Xcathdra
reply to post by stumason

 

I was wondering if Russia's actions in Crimea might cause other countries to press their own luck with territorial disputes. Like Argentina using force to retake the islands (hypothetical I know).

On the flip side they might be using the Crimean issue to support their claims on the Falkland Islands.

Putin/Russia said...

The Falklands is as important to the British as Crimea is to Russia

Which give us a good insight into what sort of work he was doing at the time... Busy aiding our enemies is what...

It was clearly code

And what he meant was we're in negotiations with Christina Kitchener Argentina, to supply arms and negotiating a Russian Military base in The country

Argentina, South America’s second largest country, has agreed to host Russian military bases on the South American continent. Long a political ally of militant Islam, Argentina seeks to bring economic relief to the region. Argentina, and its close ally, Venezuela, have long been on friendly terms with Iran

Arms deals

Vladimir Putin, has been inking deals with leaders in Latin America. First discussed by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu in February, Putin intends to set up arm forces units and increase munitions sales in the Latin American realm.

guardianlv.com...



It could NOT be any clearer

reply to post by TritonTaranis


The good news is Putin likes to sit down with possible enemies to work things out....

over sushi...

I cant see the USA being too happy about Russian bases in South America but in any case, the UK isnt threatening Argentina, so there wouldnt be any British threat to Russians based there so not sure how that would help the Argies against the Falklands?

I dont think we have ever used our nuclear deterrent against Argentina and would never use a Nuke over the Falklands dispute, so again, it wont weaken our position.

We currently have no Aircraft carriers so if the Argies were to invade, better do it in the next few years!

Perhaps the Argies may invade the Falklands again to prevent the nasty British from persucuting all the Aregntinians there, all none of them.

I dont think putin will sign too many arms deals, after all, Argentina has no money to buy any.

Nope, just the usual blusterings from the PM, the leather faced old tart.

SirDrinksalot
I cant see the USA being too happy about Russian bases in South America but in any case, the UK isnt threatening Argentina, so there wouldnt be any British threat to Russians based there so not sure how that would help the Argies against the Falklands?

Indeed - I'm sure they'd be quite keen to counter that.

SirDrinksalot
I dont think we have ever used our nuclear deterrent against Argentina and would never use a Nuke over the Falklands dispute, so again, it wont weaken our position.

Aye - it's simply not an option. I don't think we'd ever use our deterrent against anybody unless nuked first. To do otherwise would make us pariah's.

SirDrinksalot
We currently have no Aircraft carriers so if the Argies were to invade, better do it in the next few years!

We haven't had a proper carrier since 1984, but then that is a moot point. There is a capable air base on the island with a flight of Typhoons, which can be reinforced quickly. The Typhoons that are there are more than capable of taking on any of the ageing Argentine aircraft and with a T-45 bobbing around, air threats are dealt with.

SirDrinksalot
Perhaps the Argies may invade the Falklands again to prevent the nasty British from persucuting all the Argentinians there, all none of them.

Haha Even if they wanted to though, they couldn't get their soldiers from the mainland to the islands, so dilapidated is their military.
I dont think putin will sign too many arms deals, after all, Argentina has no money to buy any.

SirDrinksalot
Nope, just the usual blusterings from the PM, the leather faced old tart.

She is hideous, isn't she? And totally, bat crap crazy to boot. No wonder her husband shuffled off this mortal coil, I would with a wife like that.

reply to post by stumason

We're English we'll do what we want we always have done and always will G.S.T.Q

reply to post by jd0Fengland


British, my good sir, British - Let's not annoy the provincials

FYI, the majority of the Falklanders are of Scottish island stock..

reply to post by stumason


yeah British we made this earth what it is today. N.S.

reply to post by Trueman

Look, she is part of the elite and you are ATS member, something is wrong with you if you love her.

And you as an experienced ATS member should know that there is no prerequisite to hold any particular opinion on anything to be a member of this site and that people of various nationalities, backgrounds and viewpoints enjoy posting here.

Unless of course you are now responsible for ATS policy and T&C?

Personally I'm pretty much apathetic towards all of them. I find them a quaint anachronism and I enjoy the occasional days on the drink we get to celebrate things.
As long as they continue to cost us next to nothing and don't meddle too much then I don't really care what they do.
To be honest, I don't really think about them much at all - seems to me that Americans have a much deeper fascination and obsession with them than we Brits ever will.

As for The Falklands; I find it ironic that Kirchner claims that UN Treaties are being ignored whilst openly disregarding one of the basic tenets of the UN Charter - the Right to Self-Determination.

Argentina has no historic, legal or moral claim to The Falklands.
Usual deflecion tactics from a politician trying to divert attention away from the serious domestic problems the country faces as a result of her policies by attempting to use and exploit the passionate nature of the Argentinian people who I have sympathy for.

And Putin.
Empty political rhetoric for the masses.
Putin will do nothing in The South Atlantic to jeopardise the status quo the major nations enjoy and exploit.

stumason

SearchLightsInc

Biigs
Oh god not this again.

I dont even know why we, the British even want the bloody Falklands so bad.

But yeah the Argentine are a weird sort, they tend to overreact, i guess they are all just bored hehehe

The oil and the multi million pound fishing industry is why were fighting over it i think. Nothing to do with the islanders.

Oh dear - not the old "Oil" argument..

Any wealth generated by the possible Oil extraction is going to be kept by the Falklands Government and it's people - the UK won't make any money off it like the North Sea oil. If anything, it might just mean that they might be asked to contribute towards the Military presence there which protects them, but that is it.

Im sure our government would snap up that contribution without hesitation.

Tell me Mr.Mason, why do we desperately cling to the Falklands?

reply to post by SearchLightsInc

Tell me Mr.Mason, why do we desperately cling to the Falklands?

I know this wasn't addressed to me and I'm sure stu will reply in time but perhaps at the same time you should ask yourself why shouldn't we?

reply to post by Shiloh7


Apart from the massive oil and gas rights in the South Atlantic you mean?

Falkland Islands Oil Reserves (Economist Magazine)

reply to post by stumason

I have an idea. A global band on weapon testing. How many people and animals have to die in the name of R&D

18731542


It depends how much stomach Argentina has for getting down and dirty. First time around once we got up close they didn't want to play ball and the Ghurkas terrified them. If their troops want to do it then fine they could give it a right go, but in my opinion they are better suited to the soccer field than the battlefield.

Argentina wouldn't have a hope in hell.

There Air force is still stuck in 70's and rusting. Wouldn't stand a hope in hell against the UK euro fighters.

Without a Airforce you have zero chance of any sort of offensive operations.

pookle
Ironic, they cry about Russia's exercises being bad, but when the UK holds exercises in contested terratory, its good.

ok, I get it, West good, East bad. *puts on dunces hat*

It not contested. Falkland is firmly UK Territory. And UK can do what it likes on its own territory.

reply to post by crazyewok


I'm curious about your take on this one. The UK has backed the US plenty of times. During the first Falklands conflict, I know we provided them with ISR assets.

Do you think that the UK Gov't would be good with just that again or do you think that more would be asked this time around? I ask because considering this Administration, they probably wouldn't want to get involved. Except on the diplomatic side of things at which they seem so excellent at.

TDawgRex
reply to post by crazyewok

 

I'm curious about your take on this one. The UK has backed the US plenty of times. During the first Falklands conflict, I know we provided them with ISR assets.

Do you think that the UK Gov't would be good with just that again or do you think that more would be asked this time around? I ask because considering this Administration, they probably wouldn't want to get involved. Except on the diplomatic side of things at which they seem so excellent at.

I dont know.

I think the USA owes us one for Iraq and Afghanistan. But the UK is quite capable of handling a Falkland war 2.0. Argentina wouldn't even be able to land troops this time as the Royal Navy and Air force would send any landing ships to the bottom of the Atlantic. Argentina is so outclassed its not funny. I would be like Canada trying to take Hawaii off the USA. Use of US airbases and some satellite support would really be the only thing needed. No need for any US boots on the ground.

reply to post by TDawgRex


We probably wouldn't ask for anything more than backing from the US when it comes to the UN.

We have more than enough firepower to take on Argentina 10 times over, despite the cuts.

Just one type 45 and a couple of subs.....game's already won.

crazyewok
Use of US airbases and some satellite support would really be the only thing needed. No need for any US boots on the ground.

For what it is worth, Argentina has ruled out any future attempt to take the Falklands by military means, preferring diplomatic means, which at the moment is a lot of hot air, distraction and lies.

However, we can never rely on the Americans, and as history is proved when they do get involved they turn up late and take the credit. Seriously though, the US does not take sides in the Falklands as shown by myriad reports and analysis.

US Dept of State waffle on the Falklands

Regards

Freeborn
reply to post by SearchLightsInc

 

Tell me Mr.Mason, why do we desperately cling to the Falklands?

I know this wasn't addressed to me and I'm sure stu will reply in time but perhaps at the same time you should ask yourself why shouldn't we?

edit on 13/4/14 by Freeborn because: (no reason given)

I was genuinely asking the guy a question, i know he knows his stuff, thought he could roll out the real reason why were fighting over them because im not convinced its purely because of the people on the island itself.

reply to post by SearchLightsInc

I was genuinely asking the guy a question, i know he knows his stuff, thought he could roll out the real reason why were fighting over them because im not convinced its purely because of the people on the island itself.

Fair play to you, guess I was mistaken and seem to have misinterpreted what you wrote - apologies.

Stu does seem to 'know his stuff' and I'm sure he'll be along before too long to give you his take on things.

Personally I think there are many reasons; sure oil and the mineral wealth in that area may be a major consideration but I don't think they are the only ones - and surprisingly not all to do with avarice and greed. At least equally as important are the facts that the locals almost to a man want to remain British and there's a hell of a lot of us here in the UK who remember all too vividly that many British servicemen paid the ultimate sacrifice to defend the islands. That means it would be political suicide for any politician to even consider discussing sovereignty with Argentina.
I suspect there's one or two other considerations as well.