Only 2 Gun Laws By Obama Total---Both Benefit Gun Owners --0 Guns BANNED in 5.5 Years

reply to post by neo96

Excuse me ?

Only 2 gun laws ?

After the NFA of 1934

Wow Neo, you're actually blaming Obama for laws that were passed before he was even BORN! That's a new one! LOL

I didn't know Obama has been president since the start of World War II! That's amazing! I'm so glad you have such a great grasp on reality!

What happened Neo? Did he go back in time and force those laws through congress? He is of course the anti christ! lol

Oh wait, it get's better!

1968

Amazing! When Obama was 7 he passed a law too! WOW!

Oh we're still going?

the Brady bill, and the ASW of the 90s.

OMFG! And he took over during the Clinton administration to pass more laws? He must be a wizard!

reply to post by HauntWok

Wow Neo, you're actually blaming Obama for laws that were passed before he was even BORN! That's a new one! LOL

Wow someone who did not bother reading the supplied links.

reply to post by neo96


I did read the links and they didn't have ANYTHING to do with 1934,1968 and the 90s!

You actually blamed Obama for things that happened before he was born, when he was 7 and before he was ever a senator. AMAZING!

2 laws under Obama Neo, 2 laws that give gun owners more freedoms.

The EO's in your links? Those have been discussed in this thread already under the forbes article on page 1. Yea Neo, I think that it's safe to assume that the mentally ill probably shouldn't have access to firearms.

HauntWok

So even the guys over at Forbes think that maybe the Obama administration is pro gun too.

No, it means the guys over at Forbes are either naive or just plain stupid.

reply to post by NthOther

No, it means the guys over at Forbes are either naive or just plain stupid.

Seeing as it was YOUR link on page 1 failing to showcase how awful the Obama administration is...

Here's the wiki page for Rick Ungar

I dunno, maybe next time read the article, think about it seriously, before you completely destroy your own argument through your own link.

Seriously? You're going to come after ME for a link YOU provided on page 1 of this thread as an argument on how much the Obama administration is going after guns?

How is that supposed to work?

It was proof supposedly supporting YOUR argument. And it failed. Just like everyone else on the pro gun side of this thread has completely and totally failed to prove that Obama is a gun grabber, there's actually zero proof that this administration is actually going after guns.

Hell, this administration is so damn pro gun it gave guns away to "job creators" down in Mexico to help protect their imports. (you all know this as fast and furious, somehow, the same people who are against these people are for people who do the exact damn same thing in Afghanistan.) Those people are called "job creators" people!

So, let's sum up, you provided the link, proving not only that Obama isn't a gun grabber, but instead is working hard to try and keep guns in the hands of law abiding citizens and "job creators". And your mad at me? How is that supposed to work?

[I]reply to post by Skymon612




You have to understand that ammunition is equally important but a more low key and smarter way to attack the second and that is what Obama has been doing.


They just banned 7n6 steel core milder.
The two laws passed were common sense and never should've been put in place. I would say he allowed those for the exact purpose of his supporters (like you) using it in arguments against people who call out his push against the second.

The government has caused an ammo shortage and perpetuated it with large orders and closing ammo manufacturers. And maybe not the federal level but several states have made laws banning many types of guns in the last few years.. so yes guns have been banned.

As has already been pointed out, Obama doesn't write laws, he passes laws pushed through and shoved down our throats by his minions doing his will. Like Nancy and the ACA.

This is exactly why Obama has had to resort to using his "pen and cellphone", and resort to writing executive orders, which, by the way, are not laws. Because he can't shove things through anymore, and more and more Democrats are waking up and seeing him for what he is.

Obama has been openly defied by Sheriff's across the country. This isn't a figment of ATS' collective immagination. Gun laws are not the place of the Federal Government to step into or meddle in. These are state's rights, according to the 10th Amendment. Also another reason that Obama has had to resort to executive orders. He has, so far, been put into his place by a majority of states that have stood for state's rights and defended their soveriegnty.

You see, it is not for lack of will or effort, nor desire. That is where you are led astray, and attempting to lead others astray.

It is considered a working theory that Fast and Furious was designed, and failed, as an attempt to write and pass laws on guns. Now Obama is protecting Holder by withholding information under the guise of executive protection. However, technically, does executive protection really protect Holder, or the information that leads back to Obama?

Then we have the questions surrounding Benghazi, highly suspected of being another arms deal gone bad by the Federal Government. Yet another failed attempt to kick the gun confiscation can up the road.

And, for the icing on the cake, we have the Democrat Senator, considered a top gun control advocate, arrested and indicted for arms sales. Another failed 'Fast and Furious' attempt?

m.huffpost.com...

California Senate's Top Gun Control Advocate Arrested In Firearms Trafficking Plot

03/26/14 08:05 PM ET

California state Sen. Leland Yee (D-San Francisco) -- one of the state's strongest advocates for gun control -- was arrested Wednesday on charges that include scheming to defraud citizens of honest services and conspiracy to illegally traffic firearms.
(snip)
...he has introduced legislation banning 3D printed weapons and detachable magazine conversion kits, aiming to tighten some of the
strictest gun control laws in the nation.

Of course, no reply would be worth it's weight in bullets if we didn't mention the glorious, "What's good for me is not good for the" Dianne Feinstein. This woman wants her guns, but wants everyone else to be withouth their 2nd Amendment Rights.

dougpowers.com...

Naturally: Dianne Feinstein’s Gun
Control Bill Exempts People Like…
Dianne Feinstein

Kind of like the folks in Congress who knew what was hidden in the ACA decided they got to be exempt from it.

If the ACA is so wonderful, why has the rule of law been bypassed at least 35 times to rewrite portions of the law in an attempt to benefit Democrats during the elections?

I will tell you why. Because Obama's minions carry the water for him in the House and Senate, much in the same way the media does, and much as the same as is done on ATS. Not much difference.

By now, most people have realized that what Obama SAYS, and what Obama DOES - are two completely different things.

No stars, no flags.

HauntWok
Wow Neo, you're actually blaming Obama for laws that were passed before he was even BORN! That's a new one! LOL

I didn't know Obama has been president since the start of World War II! That's amazing! I'm so glad you have such a great grasp on reality!

What happened Neo? Did he go back in time and force those laws through congress? He is of course the anti christ! lol

Oh wait, it get's better!

1968

Amazing! When Obama was 7 he passed a law too! WOW!

Oh we're still going?

the Brady bill, and the ASW of the 90s.

OMFG! And he took over during the Clinton administration to pass more laws? He must be a wizard!

Funny how Obama is apparently responsible for everything.... wait a few minutes he will be responsible for WW1 and the Napoleonic Wars as well! Obama Derangement Syndrome is very strong is some!

HauntWok

So, let's sum up, you provided the link, proving not only that Obama isn't a gun grabber, but instead is working hard to try and keep guns in the hands of law abiding citizens and "job creators". And your mad at me? How is that supposed to work?

My only point is that the OP has spun the facts in an attempt to make it appear that Obama is not anti-gun, when we all know that's completely absurd.

It is a deliberate attempt to mislead people. I'm not mad at anyone in particular. I simply despise dishonesty.

I linked to Forbes just for the list of the orders Obama signed that particular day. I never said I agreed with Forbes' assessment of their implications. That they have dead wrong.

reply to post by Elton


The national narrative is lead by the loudest idiots.

reply to post by hellobruce

Funny how Obama is apparently responsible for everything.... wait a few minutes he will be responsible for WW1 and the Napoleonic Wars as well! Obama Derangement Syndrome is very strong is some!

Well since apparently Obama has satanic time traveling powers now, I guess they're also going to blame the entire holocaust on him, Jewish enslavement in Egypt, the great flood, and more than likely the plague, not to mention wiping out the dinosaurs (or alternatively planting all fossils in an effort to prove god doesn't exist somehow).

Ya know, I thought it was bad that some people pretended the Bush era actually never existed. But somehow, this delusion is much much worse. I mean some of these people actually think the entire 17 trillion dollar debt was singularly done under Obama's administration. This is how bad it is!

I'm actually starting to think that the reason these people don't like the ACA is because under it they might get the antipsychotic medication they need to stop the voices in their heads and they're afraid they would be lonely.

reply to post by NthOther


The only one's spinning facts here are the people that are on the pro gun side of the debate. Not one person on the pro gun side of the debate has offered up any tangible evidence that Obama is on some dystopian gun grabbing spree to end our freedoms and haul us all into a concentration camp.

The reason is, it's not happening, hasn't happened the last 6 years, won't happen the next 2. It's paranoia combined with delusions.

reply to post by buster2010

Thanks for the lesson but don't teach your grandpa to suck eggs.I was in Korea,germany,Iraq. I think I got EXACTLY what I need to know to accurately define the information.
Reconnaissance Specialists are smart that way.

There are ways the government CAN affect the right to own guns without laws.

First why has there been a ammo shortage in the US since Obama took office.

And what the h**l is so many federal agencies buying so much ammo for.

To keep the supplies of ammo to the public low and at high cost.

My guess is if the GOP does not take the senate Obama will use his pen to do things like ban more foreign ammo.
He could use the EPA to ban some types of ammo. Or cause the ammo to cost a lot more.
He could ban shooting on federal land except for hunting.

reply to post by Skymon612

Why on earth does he need to pass laws??? He has EO and the ear of the biggest bully in regards to firearms. The ATF.

Seems that you are either not paying attention, or just enjoy the view with your head up his rear.

Either way, you have misrepresented truth by using semantics.

reply to post by HauntWok

Hell, this administration is so damn pro gun it gave guns away to "job creators" down in Mexico to help protect their imports. (you all know this as fast and furious, somehow, the same people who are against these people are for people who do the exact damn same thing in Afghanistan.) Those people are called "job creators" people!

I think by now, many people are likely skimming your posts, reading them like this:

"Obama blah blah blah guns blah blah blah..."

Too bad, because the above quote is simply priceless, and proves either you are ignorant beyond belief, or, trolling.

Personally, I think the trolling is strong with this one.

Just read that quote, and image that NOT being satire. I can't, and that's exactly how I took that statement.

However, I think the people that have been murdered with the guns supplied by the Fast and Furious scandal might not see the humor.

This could definitely qualify as one of the top troll posts of 2014. Does ATS guve awards? If not, they should.

Just saying....

reply to post by Skymon612


And WHY do you think that is?????

It's BECAUSE people are foaming at the mouth threatening civil war if they do try to further curtail our right to bear arms. Many people KNOW that all rights hinge on the second as an enforcement mechanism.

If they thought they could get away with it, they would have already been going door to door. Instead they have settled on attempting to indoctrinate the public to fear guns so that they can build toward being able to get away with it.

You're a fool if you think that things would not change drastically the second that the people no longer have a legal right to keep and bear arms.

Jaden

reply to post by Libertygal

However, I think the people that have been murdered with the guns supplied by the Fast and Furious scandal might not see the humor.

And you somehow think that it's funny for those in Afghanistan who are killed for the exact same reason?

www.globalresearch.ca...

Drug cartels, big pharma, haliburton, no real difference. Except who gets support from the American public.

Think it's trolling or not, I don't mind. The truth hurts sometimes.

It's funny how conservatives don't like the drug cartels, when obviously a percentage of them enjoy the products being imported into this country by them otherwise they wouldn't exist in the first place.

That money has got to be coming from somewhere. Can't all be from liberal hippy's

The sad truth of the matter is that Drug Cartels have a product that Americans want. They want it so damn bad that American's don't care how illegal it is, they want it. The government simply supplied these "job creators" the necessary means by which to protect their product and interests. It's a global business model that the United States Government is well aware works. And somehow Conservatives are mad at this? It's their optimum small business success story.

The guns weren't even stolen in Fast and Furious, they were bought. Hell, conservatives are actually mad at the government for the wrong reason. They should be mad at the government for trying to track the guns down in the first place, after all, they were bought legally by people who were allowed to buy guns in the first place. Conservatives on this board are PISSED OFF that the government wants a chip put into a gun that allows only the guns owner to fire the gun claiming that they would use that chip for tracking. This was a case of a legal gun buyer doing with his property exactly what he wanted to. To a conservative that shouldn't be a problem.

reply to post by Skymon612


Humm, you are just couting the laws that have been PASSED, but not the number of laws that gun-grabbers have tried to pass through under the Obama administration...

The Obama administration officials, alongside with their pal Felipe de Jesús Calderón Hinojosa, former Mexican President who tried to blame the U.S. gun laws for the United States government under OBama arming with fully automatic weapons the Mexican drug cartels...

They were ingenious in doing this thou, I'll give them that much...

The guns weren't even stolen in Fast and Furious, they were bought. Hell, conservatives are actually mad at the government for the wrong reason. They should be mad at the government for trying to track the guns down in the first place, after all, they were bought legally by people who were allowed to buy guns in the first place. Conservatives on this board are PISSED OFF that the government wants a chip put into a gun that allows only the guns owner to fire the gun claiming that they would use that chip for tracking. This was a case of a legal gun buyer doing with his property exactly what he wanted to. To a conservative that shouldn't be a problem.

reply to post by HauntWok


Way to misrepresent the facts!!! The buyer in the F&F debacle was under investigation, but no mechanism was in place to actually follow the guns. And before this argument go's into the all popular "blame Bush" defense, at least during that administration they tried to install tracking chips in the guns AND THEY TOLD MEXICO! I would also hazard a guess that the state senator in CA is not the only one saying one thing about guns and doing the opposite in politics.

reply to post by Skymon612


Yet Obummer has managed to encroach on about every constitutional right one can think of, and used the constitution as toilet paper re writing it over night practically. So he does not really need to remove our second when he can have the jack boots arrest and detain all gun owners with an executive order.


Order 66 en.wikipedia.org...


Then he will rip up the second once every gun owner is detained. After all he is just following orders by his handlers at the fed.