evolution, where is the evidence???!!! I see none

Ignorance. You know, I really don't understand why you don't want to believe in God. Tell me why Jesus was here then? Plus, I guess when judgment day comes, you won't be going to heaven. Ah, feels good to have Jesus in my life. Explains everything. But its people like you that I've got a problem with. Think you can just get rid of Creationism just like that? Ha! Think again buddy. The devil has decieved you. Bigtime. Think you know more than God? I don't think so. Wow, I can't believe how easily you are decieved. Don't you want a life better than what is on this earth? As God has quoted for heaven: No eye has scene, no ear has heard. Check the Bible. I just can't comprehend people like you. Have you not heard of Jesus's love? How do you explain his coming and Miricles, and Prophesies that are begining to come true? He was a real person. They dug up the city! You are just trying to ban religeon! Well you wont destroy my faith! Don't even try.

Check this site out! It shows just how DUMB evolution is.
www.drdino.com...

Originally posted by Mistress of Night
Oh goodness. Don't even get me started on evolution. You know, this is how dumb the theroy sounds: A long, long, time ago...There was nothing. Nothing, then attracted a whole bunch of dirt and matter from nowhere, which blew up and distributed bits everywhere to create our solar system. (Uh ooook where did the dirt come from then?) Anyways, the matter did this and that, and pretty soon there was a whole bunch of soup on earth. Then the soup came alive which soon evolved into life.

woh,woh WOH!!...slow down...what the heck are you talking about?



first of all darwin never once even ATTEMPTED to address the creation of the universe, a belgian guy (a priest actually), named Georges Lemaître, was the first to propose the idea of the big bang in 1927
liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov...



secondly, darwin never attempted to explain how life got started either...all he was concerned about was how the life that is here changes and addapts to its environment...(acctually aristotle was the first to propose spontaneous generation)
www.daviddarling.info...

please read up on evolution at least a little bit before you make wild accusations like that...

[edit on 19-6-2005 by Urn]

Mistress of the Night, the burden of proof for either Evolution or creation is on the believer not the other way around. Jesus was a man who probably existed but that doesn't prove anything.

To be religious or atheist without accepting the fact that you could be wrong, is to accept ignorance. Agnosticism is the only way to not make any assumptions. At least try to see things from a different point of view. Put yourself in someone elses shoes. How can you trust human intelligence of 2000 years ago, over that of today?

If God wants me to believe, he/she/it will have to show itself to me.

Originally posted by Ariande Tau
The first is the Average height. Abraham Lincoln is always described and portrayed as very tall. Towering above everyone else of his time. Even without the silly hat. However, he was 6'4". That was truely huge at the time. If you go to museums and look at the beds and such from the colonial period, they are extremely short. The average 20th century person would have their feet hanging over the end. This was because the average height was much smaller than today. As a species we have gotten taller.

That is due to food patterns and social-economic conditions. Northern European men living during the early Middle Ages were nearly as tall as their modern-day American descendants, a finding that defies conventional wisdom about progress in living standards during the last millennium.

researchnews.osu.edu...

Originally posted by Rren
You wanted some proof of design LeftBehind, what do you say to this....Chance? Where's your proof? Design of small proteins

What a ridiculous "proof", let alone "evidence". Just because computers can't simulate the folding of proteins fast enough doesn't mean in any way that proteins were designed. That is a non sequitur, please stop using ridiculous arguments. The irreducible complexity issue is also flawed. Further, you undermine your entire case by quoting sources which consider the bible as a primary source of truth.

[edit on 20-6-2005 by Simon666]

You know, I really don't understand why you don't want to believe in God

Because there is NO proof,no evidence,just blind faith in an old tale.

Tell me why Jesus was here then?

Jesus was just another jewish fanatic...

Plus, I guess when judgment day comes, you won't be going to heaven

Welll that would be a problem since heaven doesn't exist.

Ah, feels good to have Jesus in my life. Explains everything.

I suppose it's the easy way out when you don't understand reality.

How do you explain his coming and Miricles, and Prophesies that are begining to come true? He was a real person.

He was just another jew living in israel until he was 30 and suddenly believed he was the son of "god".Nothing proves that he performed miracles...

Check this site out! It shows just how DUMB evolution is.

Well I see a dumb site.

I think you've got a lot of good things to say, but there were a few things I wanted to point out to help.

Originally posted by Mistress of Night
Ignorance. You know, I really don't understand why you don't want to believe in God.

All us people are complex as to the 'why' we do or do not believe something. It's difficult to believe without proofs and there's a lot of people still searching for them.

Originally posted by Mistress of Night
Tell me why Jesus was here then? Plus, I guess when judgment day comes, you won't be going to heaven.

That's a bit mean, don't you think? How would you feel about someone saying this to you before you knew God?

Originally posted by Mistress of Night
Ah, feels good to have Jesus in my life. Explains everything. But its people like you that I've got a problem with.

"People like you"? But were were asked not to judge (Matthew 7). You and I could just as easily be thrown into a stereotypical catagory.

Originally posted by Mistress of Night
Think you can just get rid of Creationism just like that? Ha! Think again buddy. The devil has decieved you. Bigtime. Think you know more than God? I don't think so. Wow, I can't believe how easily you are decieved.

Why can't you? Were you born a believer?

There is proof of evolution not of complete change of a species but....

Look at ctas and dogs would you consider there to be different species?

Well at one point they were all the same but by selective breeding over the period of only 10,000 years thye have evolved into multiple different times.

Some points on god- he is merciful because he kills both the good and the evil.
He killed his own Son but wont kill ultimate evil(the Devil)
He is all powerful but needed ot rest for a day after creation.

There is proof of evolution not of complete change of a species but....

Look at ctas and dogs would you consider there to be different species?

Well at one point they were all the same but by selective breeding over the period of only 10,000 years thye have evolved into multiple different times.

Speciation is an important part of the Biblical creation model. I don't think you will find any educated creationists arguing against it. Speciation results in a shuffling of already existing information or loss of information, hardly the kind of change that would make evolution possible.

Some points on god- he is merciful because he kills both the good and the evil.

God is merciful because that is his nature. His judgment is righteous.

He killed his own Son but wont kill ultimate evil(the Devil)

The devil will be destroyed. Patience is another one of God's qualities.

He is all powerful but needed ot rest for a day after creation.

God is not all powerful. He can not do things that go against his nature. That being said he did not rest because he was tired. God rested on the seventh day to set a pattern and an example for man. He could have created everything in six seconds or no time at all. Do you know of any other reason for us to have a seven day week?


Steve

[edit on 6/20/0505 by sntx]

Definition of god: n. Superhuman being worshipped as having powerover nature and human ortunes.

SO god is described as being all powerful and having control over nature.

We have 7 days because some paranoid drunk wrote in a book that the Earth was completed in 7 days.

BUt may I make the point that in the bible (original context/non-translated) is actually says the Earth was created in 'a period of time'

Originally posted by Shenroon
Some points on god- he is merciful because he kills both the good and the evil.
He killed his own Son but wont kill ultimate evil(the Devil)

The 'ultimate evil' is not the Devil. The 'ultimate evil' is sin. It wasn't the existance of the Devil that got Adam and Eve banished from the garden, it was their decision to go against God in persuit of our own selfish desires. So yes, God did kill the 'ultimate evil' WHEN his son died, because all who believes in him would not be subjected to the death by sin but have eternal life (John 3:16). Besides, at the end of the Book, the Devil bites it big-time. He's got a plan and a reason for him, else he would not be there. I don't have the details on that plan, but if I could toss out an educated guess as to why, I'd say Satan is there to provide us a choice so that we may decision our heart who to follow. On one side we have the master of love, hope and faith with God or on the other - fear, anger, and selfishness mastered by the Devil. On the onset, it's not a hard decision, but us humans like to make things complicated with our 'shades of grey' and rationalizations with alternate motivations.

Originally posted by Shenroon
He is all powerful but needed ot rest for a day after creation.

Where in the Bible does it say "He needed to rest"? Throughout the Bible God sets the example for us to follow. There are reasons for this, but it takes some spine-bending exercise of the Book to get the 'why' on these.

[edit on 21-6-2005 by saint4God]

Definition of god: n. Superhuman being worshipped as having powerover nature and human ortunes.

SO god is described as being all powerful and having control over nature.

God is defined by his word, not man's. Even the definition you provided does not say anything about being all powerful yet you use it as evidence for your assertion.

We have 7 days because some paranoid drunk wrote in a book that the Earth was completed in 7 days.

We have a 7 day week because our creator established it as a pattern for us to follow and revealed this knowledge to us via his word.

BUt may I make the point that in the bible (original context/non-translated) is actually says the Earth was created in 'a period of time'

The word day like most words has different meanings depending on the context that it is used. If I were to tell you that things were different in my Grandfathers day you would know that I was not talking about a 24 hour day. If I were to tell you that my road trip lasted 3 days you would know that I was talking about three 24 hour periods.


Meaning of yôm

Linguistics, Genesis and evolution

The days of creation: a semantic approach


Steve

Maybe he used day in a different context or maybe the word 'day' in Hebrew or wot it was translated for meanns something else.
I heard some where it actually means a period of time not a week

Spin, spin, round and round we go. Hey look! This thread has a topic? I wonder what it says....Oh! It says:

evolution, where is the evidence???!!! I see none.

If memory serves there's another thread already dealing with this. Okay dodgy-folk, let's answer the question presented to us before asking more questions. One at a time please.

Well the reason we keep going in circles is because most people on this site (not all) either believe in two things-
1 Evolution-We evolved to be here.
2 Creationalism- God made us so he could watch us blow the hell outa each other

Well this thread has got a little of track. But I propose this to you:

There are no certainties or any sides in the debate on the origins of the universe and life except the box you put yourself in

Chances are we'll never find the answer. And if we do, it more than likely isnt going to change anyone's beliefs.

you say there's not much evidence for evolution like there's a whole truck full to proove the creationist theory. believe it or not, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence, that not only suggests we came from apes but also that evolution is a major process of life. also that carbon14 thing, im not sure about that. after a few thousand years the carbon is supposed to have replenished itself, so nothing should ever measure more than a few thousand years old.

as i said evolution doesnt have to be just ape in to man. you only need to look around to see how evolution happened and is still going on. why do you think some species of snake have venom and others don't? perhaps its because they each species of snake evolved individually depending on its environment. also you're not going to find any evidence at school about evolution, you gotta go out there and find it yourself, hence read some books or look up some stuff on the internet.

ever hear about that thing called slavery. where all those black people were taken from africa, brought over to america and had to slave their asses off for rich white folk. have you ever heard of a little thing that darwin stubbled upon...just a small thing called 'selective breeding'. what the white americans did was purposely breed the strongest slaves, the strongest males with the strongest females, in order to create super slaves. do you not think its wierd how now we can clearly see the consiqences of this. the black race dominates almost every sport on the face of the earth. they're 10% of the population, yet 90% of the final four. this is all down to selective breeding. no evidence? no facts? whats all this then!

The other problem with the evolution vs. creation argument is even if you found the ulimate proof like- The bible says the Earth is 6000 years old, the Earth was there at the beginning of the universe and right away the light from stars 2.3light years away reached us. And theyll say something like god put it there to test the faithful or some other idea which just shows how totally closed minded they are.

Oh sorry I forgot that because I accept science instead of religion I'm closed minded with my following and facts and dismissance of stupid ideas.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
In reality, all the evidence points towards evolution. That's why it remains the leading theory. The argument between biologists is not if evolution occurs, but how.

First, it's important to stress that neither Darwin, nor his successors, claimed that the species homo sapien evolved from an ape. Rather, the theory indicates that homo sapien and all other primates evolved from a common ancestor that is now extinct. In other words, humans evolved separately from the non-human primates.

Nevertheless, there is close kinship. From a strictly genetic viewpoint, the chimpanzee is more closely related to we humans than he is to the gorilla. The DNA of the chimp shares more qualities with us than the other great ape, indicating that his evolutionary ancestors were very close kindred of our own.

Furthermore, Darwinians stress natural selection and mutation. Mutations occur completely spontaneously and randomly. If these mutations better equip a creature to survive in his environment, he is more likely to be able to reproduce and pass his genes to subsequent generations, whereas if such mutations restrict him, he is less able to pass his genes on. The sociologist Herbert Spencer called this "survival of the fittest".

Also, all this has little, if anything, to do with theology. I also believe in God; so did Darwin. There is absolutely nothing contradictory about a belief in God and the acceptance of science. The scientific world, in studying nature, has discovered natural laws, which leads us to conclude that God has instituted scientific laws in His universe. God could just as easily have created biological living organisms through the process of evolution, as with any other method...and, according to the evidence currently held, it appears He has done exactly that.

[edit on 26-11-2004 by Masonic Light]

we have seven days because were the seventh planet from an outer to inner tajectory. also to all who quote the bible and read or interperate hebrew cant really themselves base their arguments on belief of the word but knowing the word Jer. 4:6 My people are destroyed for the lack of knowlwedge. that's what lacking knowledge of the events surrounding creation and evolotionist

Originally posted by lightnef
we have seven days because were the seventh planet from an outer to inner tajectory. also to all who quote the bible and read or interperate hebrew cant really themselves base their arguments on belief of the word but knowing the word Jer. 4:6 My people are destroyed for the lack of knowlwedge. that's what lacking knowledge of the events surrounding creation and evolotionist

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, but I would like to point out that the Bible does not mention other planets at all - your statement about days/planets is completely your interpretation/opinion.

Creationists like to tell "evolutionists" how little evidence we have, and that our scientific beliefs amount to a religion. This is, of course, ridiculous. The crux of religiosity is faith. Science requires observation, not faith.

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