Abortion is a gift from God

kaylaluv
It's about rights. All the pro-lifers out there don't have a problem if a woman aborts a fetus when carrying that fetus to term would mean certain death to the woman. Why is that? It's because the woman was here first, she is a person with a life - while the fetus may be alive, but has no life yet. The woman's rights take precedence over the fetus' rights. But once the fetus is born, it is not just merely alive, it now has a life (albeit a short one), so the woman's rights no longer take precedence - they now have equal rights.

Oh, and I believe it's the Right that traditionally is in favor of the death penalty - giving the right to socially and morally end a life. And the person getting the death penalty has a life!

Capital punishment is for crimes/actions taken by the individual.

What crime did a pre-natal being commit?

reply to post by beezzer


What right do we have to take a life because of a crime? Shouldn't it be God that strikes them dead if he wants them to die? Why don't we leave that up to God?

Then the Lord came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the Lord.
(racham), translates, god is merciful.

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart;

Recham
The "womb" the sanctuary of the racham/God/breath of life.
The seat of mercy, the womb the scared place for the new human, the image bearer of god, a place of mercy


racham: to love, have compassion
Original Word: רָחַם
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: racham
Phonetic Spelling: (raw-kham')
Short Definition: compassion

Also translates to the womb


Yes we are fighting a battle between darkness and light
Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy.

An unborn child cannot plead for mercy, they are most helpless,

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Please. If God loves them so much, why does he let so many innocent suffer through natural disasters? Oh, I know - he works in mysterious ways.

kaylaluv
reply to post by beezzer

 

What right do we have to take a life because of a crime? Shouldn't it be God that strikes them dead if he wants them to die? Why don't we leave that up to God?

What crime did a pre-natal being commit?

beezzer

kaylaluv
reply to post by beezzer

 

What right do we have to take a life because of a crime? Shouldn't it be God that strikes them dead if he wants them to die? Why don't we leave that up to God?

What crime did a pre-natal being commit?

The crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time - which is what happens to many people given the death penalty as well. And many of those same people given the death penalty wouldn't have had to go through that if they had been aborted instead. They wouldn't have known what they were missing, but now, they do. So it's even crueler.

Now you answer my question.

kaylaluv
reply to post by beezzer

 

What right do we have to take a life because of a crime? Shouldn't it be God that strikes them dead if he wants them to die? Why don't we leave that up to God?

Free will.

beezzer

kaylaluv
reply to post by beezzer

 

What right do we have to take a life because of a crime? Shouldn't it be God that strikes them dead if he wants them to die? Why don't we leave that up to God?

Free will.

Well, those of you who approve of the death penalty may have to take the punishment at the pearly gates as a result of using that free will. I guess we'll see...

kaylaluv
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

Please. If God loves them so much, why does he let so many innocent suffer through natural disasters? Oh, I know - he works in mysterious ways.

Natural disasters and diseases are not murder.

reply to post by beezzer

That argument really doesn't change anything in regards to abortion.

kaylaluv

beezzer

kaylaluv
reply to post by beezzer

 

What right do we have to take a life because of a crime? Shouldn't it be God that strikes them dead if he wants them to die? Why don't we leave that up to God?

Free will.

Well, those of you who approve of the death penalty may have to take the punishment at the pearly gates as a result of using that free will. I guess we'll see...

As goes for those who endorse abortions.

Unfortunately, no-one knows the mind of God, though in this instance, the pro-abortion folks certainly seem to.

daskakik
reply to post by beezzer

 

That argument really doesn't change anything in regards to abortion.

If it's okay to commit abortion or be a fan of it because God also does it, then why is murder of an adult illegal, since God happens to have a hand in that as well?

xuenchen

kaylaluv
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

Please. If God loves them so much, why does he let so many innocent suffer through natural disasters? Oh, I know - he works in mysterious ways.

Natural disasters and diseases are not murder.

It is if Someone is in complete control over them.

reply to post by beezzer

All your argument does is call for murder to also be allowed.

It wouldn't have any bearing on abortion in the least.

daskakik
reply to post by beezzer

 

All your argument does is call for murder to also be allowed.

It wouldn't have any bearing on abortion in the least.

I'm trying to put in perspective.

Your assertion is false.

The pro-"choice" argument goes as follows;
If God does it, why can't I.

My counter-point is, God also kills adults.

But that is illegal.

Do the pro-"choice" people want to decriminalize murder of adults as well?

beezzer
The pro-"choice" argument goes as follows;
If God does it, why can't I.

No the pro-choice argument is:
If god does it then why are you trying to say he is against it?

My counter-point is, God also kills adults.

But that is illegal.

Do the pro-"choice" people want to decriminalize murder of adults as well?

And all that proves is that he isn't against that either despite the commandment against it.

At the end of the day all that is being said is that god's actions don't back up the pro-life argument. Whatever laws societies choose to enact are not tied to that observation.

daskakik

beezzer
The pro-"choice" argument goes as follows;
If God does it, why can't I.

No the pro-choice argument is:
If god does it then why are you trying to say he is against it?

My counter-point is, God also kills adults.

But that is illegal.

Do the pro-"choice" people want to decriminalize murder of adults as well?

And all that proves is that he isn't against that either despite the commandment against it.

At the end of the day all that is being said is that god's actions don't back up the pro-life argument. Whatever laws societies choose to enact are not tied to that observation.

And the pro-abortion argument is valid?

If anything, it indicates a further lapse in morality.

reply to post by kaylaluv


It really boils down to personal responsibility. I don't want a child (for personal reasons), so I take the means of protecting the girl from becoming impregnated. But it is a two way street. If I were to impregnate my girlfriend, then I have a responsibility as well. It's just not on her.

But I do find it odd that many who are pro-abortion are also extremely anti-gun. What's up with that? Where's the tolerance?

beezzer



My counter-point is, God also kills adults.

But that is illegal.

Do the pro-"choice" people want to decriminalize murder of adults as well?

Sometimes it IS legal to kill adults. Self-defense, times of war, death penalty. We can even take them off life support, or withhold water/nutrition from them when taking them off life support doesn't kill them. All perfectly legal.
God kills, we kill, and we decide as a society that it's okay under certain circumstances. Free will, as you say.

kaylaluv

beezzer



My counter-point is, God also kills adults.

But that is illegal.

Do the pro-"choice" people want to decriminalize murder of adults as well?

Sometimes it IS legal to kill adults. Self-defense, times of war, death penalty. We can even take them off life support, or withhold water/nutrition from them when taking them off life support doesn't kill them. All perfectly legal.
God kills, we kill, and we decide as a society that it's okay under certain circumstances. Free will, as you say.

That's about the most honest answer I've ever gotten from the pro-abortion crowd.

Society has decided that it is okay to kill in a variety of circumstances.

(I'm going to walk away for a bit and think on that)