Historic Breaking News: Canada, Vatican & Crown GUILTY of Genocide

reply to post by Harvin

First, am aware that your source is the Catholic priest Las Casas - I will assume he existed.

You doubt Las Casa's existence?

Bartolome de Las Casas was born in Seville, Spain, in 1474. In 1502 he went to Cuba, and for his military services there was given an Encomienda, an estate that included the services of the Indians living on it. In about 1513 he was ordained priest (probably the first ordination in the Americas), and in 1514 he renounced all claim on his Indian serfs. During the following seven years he made several voyages to Spain to find support for a series of new towns in which Spaniard and Indian would live together in peace and equality. In 1523 he became a Dominican friar and disappeared for a time from public controversy. In 1540 he returned to Spain and was a force behind the passage in 1542 of laws prohibiting Indian slavery and safeguarding the rights of the Indians. He was made Bishop of Chiapas in Guatemala, and returned to the Americas in 1544 to implement the new laws, but he met considerable resistance, and in 1547 he returned to Spain, where he devoted the rest of his life to speaking and writing on behalf of the Indians. He is chiefly remembered for his Brief Report on the Destruction of the Indians (or Tears of the Indians), a fervid and perhaps exaggerated account of the atrocities of the Spanish conquerors against the Indians. The book was widely read and widely translated, and the English version was used to stir up English feeling against the Spanish as a cruel race whom England ought to beware of, and whose colonies in the Americas would be better off in English hands. Las Casas is widely admired as an early pioneer of social justice, and widely denounced as an irresponsible pamphleteer and spreader of slanders. He died in Madrid on 17 July (or perhaps 31 July) 1566, and is remembered as a national hero in Cuba and Nicaragua. An extract from Tears of the Indians follows.

Now Christ wanted his gospel to be preached with enticements, gentleness, and all meekness, and pagans to be led to the truth not by armed forces but by holy examples, Christian conduct, and the word of God, so that no opportunity would be offered for blaspheming the sacred name or hating the true religion because of the conduct of the preachers. For this is nothing else than making the coming and passion of Christ useless, as long as the truth of the gospel is hated before it is either understood or heard, or as long as innumerable human beings are slaughtered in a war waged on the pretext of preaching the gospel and spreading religion.

elvis.rowan.edu...

That is the only source there is, afaik, and it was one letter and I am surprised it existed or does it still exist today?

Bartolome de Las Casas was the most persistent defender of the Indians during the early years of the Spanish conquest of America. Starting out as a conquistador with his own encomienda, Las Casas later became a Dominican friar who passionately spoke out against the brutal treatment of the Indians.

In several books and in speeches before the Council of the Indies, Las Casas described in graphic detail how the Spanish moved into an unconquered territory and terrorized Indian people

But the latest Eichmann revelations suggest that Pope Pius XII's moral stature – and qualification for sainthood – should be judged on its conduct in the aftermath of Nazism's defeat. Once the evil of the Holocaust was revealed for all to see, the Holy See should have been at the forefront of the campaign to bring the war criminals to trial.
In fact history's most savage mass murderers – Adolf Eichmann, Dr Josef Mengele, better known as Auschwitz's 'Angel of Death', Franz Stangl, commandant of the Treblinka extermination camp – escaped justice down the 'ratline' that ran straight through the Vatican state in Rome.

Senior members of the Roman Catholic hierarchy – marinaded in virulent Judeophobia and obsessed by Bolshevism – organised the escape of thousands of the most debauched, cruel monsters to a peaceful, prosperous retirement in Catholic South America. blogs.telegraph.co.uk...

reply to post by windword


I have read Las Casas biography many years ago. I said assuming he existed. There really isn't much information...but that is no issue.

As far as the "rat line" we all know more than a few governments viewed certain Nazi POW's as valuable. There was also an ideology that was attached to Nazism that was entirely separate from the Holocaust. That is why I linked to Mussolini's video.

wiki/Benito_Mussolini

Mussolini was not anti-Semitic and is not associated with the Holocaust as noted in the above link. See sections 7 and 8.

According to your link, he is referencing unseen documents so obviously i cannot comment on that.

www.historylearningsite.co.uk...

Do you know more than that link? You specifically mentioned Eichmann.

en.wikipedia.org...(World_War_II_aftermath)

reply to post by Harvin


Look. Nazi collusion is only one of the more recent scandals that the Vatican has had to deal with.

My point is, the Vatican has been up to its proverbial neck nefarious dealing with governments and corruption since its inception. You can't get peaches from a lemon tree.

I had a very considerate person send me a copy of the show from last night.

Interesting.

I would like to thank NRE for her input.
She made the most important comment I heard throughout the entire discussion... NOT EVEN ONE CHILD'S DEATH SHOULD BE COVERED UP. THIS ISN'T ABOUT A NUMBERS GAME.

YOU ROCKED IT, NRE!!!

reply to post by sled735


I was getting a bit annoyed until she spoke up, I admit.

windword
reply to post by Harvin

 

Look. Nazi collusion is only one of the more recent scandals that the Vatican has had to deal with.

My point is, the Vatican has been up to its proverbial neck nefarious dealing with governments and corruption since its inception. You can't get peaches from a lemon tree.

edit on 10-4-2014 by windword because: (no reason given)

I’m not a Vatican fan (not a fan of any religion) But I see a difference here. Seems the Vatican has always has a purpose to it’s nefarious dealings: power, money, land, slaves, whatever profited the church. I just don’t see what the profit would be from being a Satanic cult. It would just make them look weirder than they already are. I do admit I can picture Pope Benedict eating gerbils.

reply to post by Pauligirl


Well, I can only speculate what psychopaths do for entertainment. But, I guess, where there's desperation, for whatever reason or whatever challenge one may be facing, I suppose there is always the temptation to bat for the other side, just to hedge one's bets. Especially so, if one is losing faith.

I think that we handled the issue last night, with all issues fairly addressed.

If you're not happy, sorry, but I think that I handled the scandal of Indian Residential Schools, which is really all that matters, fairly well in my introduction. Yes, NRE brought the focus back to said schools, but it wasn't me that put the focus on Kevin Annett, his ridiculous show trials and the ITCCS.

In the future, let's try and focus on the real victims, not narcissists like Kevin Annett.

reply to post by adjensen


Yeah, it was pretty good, but NRE put the icing on the cake.

adjensen
I think that we handled the issue last night, with all issues fairly addressed.

If you're not happy, sorry, but I think that I handled the scandal of Indian Residential Schools, which is really all that matters, fairly well in my introduction. Yes, NRE brought the focus back to said schools, but it wasn't me that put the focus on Kevin Annett, his ridiculous show trials and the ITCCS.

In the future, let's try and focus on the real victims, not narcissists like Kevin Annett.

This is a quote from YOUR first post...

This is just more of Kevin Annett's nonsense and needs to go to the Hoax Bin, ASAP.

OP, you've been duped -- there is nothing behind this but a crackpot who is disdained even by the people he claims to be supporting. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I do believe it WAS you who put the focus on Kevin Annett on the first page!

My objective WAS to discuss the victims, and the information in the article.
I had never heard of Kevin Annett before reading this. Why would I focus on him, if I had never heard of him?

reply to post by sled735

My objective WAS to discuss the victims, and the information in the article.
I had never heard of Kevin Annett before reading this. Why would I focus on him, if I had never heard of him?

Why do I have to keep pointing out that the title of this thread is "Historic Breaking News: Canada, Vatican & Crown GUILTY of Genocide"? It is not "Tragedy at Indian Residential Schools".

You cited Kevin Annett and wrote a thread OP that was sourced from his kangaroo court. That is not "adjensen bringing up Kevin Annett" -- in order to disprove the claim that anyone was found guilty of anything, you had to be informed of the nature of Annett and his grandstanding, something you're apparently still not willing to accept, for some reason.

reply to post by adjensen


I think the point of thread is that Canada,The Vatican & The Crown ARE guilty of genocide. I also think we mostly all agree with Annett's conclusions, and wish that more was being done to bring the perpetrators to justice, or at least to the court of public shame.

In the meantime, it seems that you're more interested in distracting us from the atrocities by attacking and mocking the messenger.

reply to post by adjensen

Why do I have to keep pointing out that the title of this thread is "Historic Breaking News: Canada, Vatican & Crown GUILTY of Genocide"? It is not "Tragedy at Indian Residential Schools".

And I already explained that I used that title because it was the title of the article from my source. I was told we are supposed to use the same title in our threads.

I'm done here. It's been enlightening. See y'all in the other threads.

windword
reply to post by adjensen

 

I think the point of thread is that Canada,The Vatican & The Crown ARE guilty of genocide. I also think we mostly all agree with Annett's conclusions, and wish that more was being done to bring the perpetrators to justice, or at least to the court of public shame.

In the meantime, it seems that you're more interested in distracting us from the atrocities by attacking and mocking the messenger.

Exactly! Thank you, Winword.

Now, I'm done.

reply to post by windword

In the meantime, it seems that you're more interested in distracting us from the atrocities by attacking and mocking the messenger.

Wrong.

In this thread, I seem to be the only one who has taken the time to research the Canadian Indian Residential Schools. Sled claims to be in favour of the First Nations People, and yet intentionally ignores them, because they've said that Annett does not represent them and they're not backing these "show trials" (they aren't even that -- they're just arbitrary declarations of guilt by Annett.) You stick your nose in here because of your obsessive need to be a naysayer in every thread that has anything to do with Christianity.

I have taken the time to look into what really happened in these schools, and nowhere in this thread will you find me dismissing the tragedy that took place. What I dismiss is the utter nonsense that is Kevin Annett and the ITCCS.

reply to post by sled735

And I already explained that I used that title because it was the title of the article from my source. I was told we are supposed to use the same title in our threads.

That is only a requirement in the "Breaking Alternative News" forum.

Here's what you wrote in the OP:

They have officially admitted it.
Canada, the British Crown and the Vatican stand guilty as charged.

Canada, the British Crown and the Vatican stand guilty as charged in Kevin Annett's kangaroo court, not in reality.

You then cite an article that claims that

But previously “segregated” statistics of the deaths of residential school children made public last Friday by different provinces indicate that “tens of thousands” of these children died in the facilities

which is absolutely false, as the Truth and Reconciliation Commission has documented about 4,000 death, not tens of thousands.

And then you follow it up with this doozy:

shocking new evidence showing that a Vatican and Church of England child sacrifice cult known as the Ninth Circle operated at the same schools for over a century, including at the Mohawk residential school in Brantford, Ontario. (www.itccs.org, March 29, 2014)

which is utter BS. The Mohawk school in Brantford is the one that Annett has been documented lying about, and the one that resulted in the Mohawk nation denouncing him and withdrawing his Mohawk name. The "Ninth Circle" exists in Annett's fantasies, nowhere else.

You wrote a thread OP that is a documented hoax, and you've been defending that hoax ever since.

reply to post by adjensen

because they've said that Annett does not represent them and they're not backing these "show trials"

Do you have a link to back that up?

nowhere in this thread will you find me dismissing

Well, I'm going to go through the thread, looking for examples of your dismissals and distractions, to bring to you, but you certainly dismissed the scope of the atrocities on ATS Live. If not for NRE, you would have gotten away with it to!

reply to post by adjensen


They ARE guilty as charged!

There you go again, distracting and dismissing, arguing the numbers! TSK

reply to post by windword


I apologize if my efforts on the show did not highlight the gravity of the atrocities committed in this case. I specifically said that there are two issues here; the REAL events that took place and the claims made by Annett.