Climate Change Already Impacting ‘All Continents’ According To New International Report

beezzer
The last ice age was @ 20,000 years ago.

Apparently the planet warmed up from being rather chilly.

Now I may be wrong, but I don't remember any cars or factories spewing smog or pollutants into the air then.

So many factors affect the planets climate.

To accuse man of being the sole factor in creating Global-Taxation-Climate-Llama-Rain-Snow-Sunshine-Change-Weather is patently ridiculous.

Exactly. Quasi-governmental authorities like the UN that sponsor the questionable science of the IPCC are salivating at the prospect of taxing us into the Stone Age all the while we are feeling good about something we have no control over. This is a planetary cycle and 100 - 200 years of climate study in geologic terms is not even close to a pi$$ in the ocean of time. We simply aren't that significant relative to the eons of previous changes. These guys are simply nuts, but crafty. Keep an eye on your wallet, they already grabbed it.

reply to post by Cynic


As your name so aptly states, I'm also cynical over claims that somehow, scientists who dismiss Global-Weather-Tax-Change-Sleet-Cold-Warm are biased.

Yet scientists who support Global-Heat-Rain-Windy-Tax-Change are somehow pure of spirit and intent.

We have so many people on ATS that won't believe a single word coming from the mouth of anyone in politics or religion or anything!

But be it about Climate change. . . . and what "they" say is gospel!

Cabin
How our actions affect the surrouding world should become top priority, otherwise problems will arise sooner or later, whether global warming or something even worse. If these can be prevented, if there is even a slight chance that humans might affect these, these should be prevented, as the potential consequences are immeasurable in material wealth.

I think your response was reasonable, thanks for the clarification on your population comments, I can't disagree with much of what you had to say. I pulled the above quote out of your post because in my opinion you nailed what the conflict here is all about.

Without a full understanding of how our planet and our climate works we cannot be sure that any action we take on a climate driver will have a beneficial effect. Without a full understanding of how different factors interact we can't be certain of anything. The fact that the latest report had to resort to assigning levels of certainty just shows how uncertain they really are and I think we need more study on the issue.

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


The falsification of AGW scaremongering doesn't mean that we have the right to abandon responsibility towards our environment.

Even though I am skeptic about AGW, I nevertheless strongly support recycling, lower energy consumption, electric cars, saving wildlife, stopping pollution, and saving forests.

Not because you're not guilty of a crime means you're allowed to make such crime.

Remember that the real driver is CO2 content, which without question is ramping up exponentially. We know that burning fossil fuels contributes, however it is more probable that the de-forestation of the Earth over the last 300 years , which also follows this expotential curve, is a prime mover as well.

Technology will most likely solve our fossil fuel emissions over the near term, but we must reforest this planet at the same time to get some stability back. I think this will be harder than it may seem. We put great pressure on our forests, and each of the following forest resources will need to be addressed:

-Building materials
-Firewood
-Wildfire caused by Man
-Clearing for development
-Tree disease

Add to this a World Wide re-forestation campaign that needs to be implemented, and I think we will be able to solve our problems.

reply to post by charlyv


I agree. We must find alternative energy sources, and we must repair the damage to those oxygen generators which are the forests. This should be a priority instead of investing in bickering and petty wars.

swanne
reply to post by PurpleDog UK

 

The falsification of AGW scaremongering doesn't mean that we have the right to abandon responsibility towards our environment.

Even though I am skeptic about AGW, I nevertheless strongly support recycling, lower energy consumption, electric cars, saving wildlife, stopping pollution, and saving forests.

Not because you're not guilty of a crime means you're allowed to make such crime.

Exactly. Like this cartoon put up by PurpledogUK


It's meant to make fun of the deniers, but in reality, I don't see any of us against this stuff. I don't think we should invest in huge solar farms that loose money and cost more to implement than they will ever regain, but that's fundamental economics. We need to find BETTER answers, not just green answers.

I argued for hydrogen fuel for years, and was smacked down by all the "science" folks because it isn't a viable fuel yet. It costs too much to make it, and uses more fossil fuel to produce than it saves. I get that. I hope one day, we find a way to make something like it, easier and cheaper, but today, apparently that's not in the cards.

Yup, summer, winter, fall, and spring are a HUGE problem the world over! The scary part is that this is happening EVERY YEAR for heavens sake.

reply to post by charlyv


I believe 80% of the timber industry produces paper, and dioxin is the byproduct, yet there is a certain weed that grows without watering, without pesticides, without herbicides, and can produce paper without the toxic side effects....hmmm what to do??

reply to post by Skymon612


maybe this will shed some light on the climate change......this guy knows what he's talking about.......all you have to do is look up.....
www.geoengineeringwatch.org...

reply to post by Skymon612


here sky mom check this guy out hey jesse here you go this will fiill your show and then some. it's HAARP again seems the have gone global and other countries are now starting to take notice and are accuseing the good old US of
(always say it right!) GEO ENGINEERING NOT CLIMATE CONTROL OR WEATHER CONTROL!! you wil be filled with conspiritors.they are spaying are skys with stuff tho make the ion particals more active and than zapping them with their haarp rays. This super heats the air and creates high pressures where they are not suppose to be this is hurting humans health, depleating our ozones,causeing earth quakes, wild weather patterns. and yes i do believe the are playing GOD with it. check out this guy
www.geoengineeringwatch.org... have been searching for 15 years now for an explanation as to what was up with the strande clouds i had taped.......he's right on the money!!! he's done all the research just take an hour and listen to him it will scare the # out of you!!

reply to post by the2ofusr1

Well you are correct about not much debating because the AGW team wont show the data to the skeptics and just want us to trust them .

What are you talking about? There are hundreds of published studies. The data is readily available.

reply to post by gort51

Did'nt someone mention increased Volcanic activity?

Did anyone provide any evidence that volcanic activity has increased over the past 150 years?
Is someone ignoring the fact that burning fossil fuels have an identifiable CO2 signature?

reply to post by network dude

It sounds like some people would like a bit more data before we decide.

It sounds like some people don't understand science is seldom 100%. You'll never find all scientists agree on anything. You'll find it unusual that 95% do and that when that many do, they are usually right.

reply to post by swanne

The falsification of AGW scaremongering doesn't mean that we have the right to abandon responsibility towards our environment.

What falsification? Saying "they're wrong" is not falsification. Taking statements out of context is not falsification.

I think if you read what I am about to share it may indeed answer your questions regarding global warming and climate change..

The ocean conveyor belt is what drives rhe climate, and it's our doing that is effectively changing it.
Ocean Conveyor and dump

The ocean conveyor belt however is littered with our waste. There's no other species that has impacted our planet to such an extent as to affect this conveyor.

It's clogged.
The conveyor is as an artery to your hearts.

There question is are we as a species going to realise this and clean it up or are we going to allow those pulling the strings continue in their ways polluting the seas at the worlds expense.

There is so much to what I am saying right now and had considered writing a seperate thread.

For those of you who know what I am like regarding writing threads you will thank me for not doing so........

However all I ask is one favour.


I would like a top rated ATS member or even moderator to write a thread regarding

The human contribution to the Ocean Conveyor Belts clogging and the impact we have made to climate and life itself......

It's not too late. The problem or should I say the only hurdle is that it is going to take a joint effort.
All for one and all for one.




To add, you may see soon news that the plastic islands may be doing alot more harm than anticipated and also the hindering of the missing flight.

Could also be an indication of the hidden agenda that we need to clean it up before the imminent return.

Agit8dChop

the2ofusr1
reply to post by Phage

 

Well you are correct about not much debating because the AGW team wont show the data to the skeptics and just want us to trust them .As you have claimed to be a denier I hardy see any sense in discussing things with you .You are pretty sure of yourself and have already responded to one of my simple questions in a manner that showed you didn't want to answer genuine way ...peace

I showed evidence that the climate is changing and its getting hotter and dryer where I am.

Why don't you go through your local weather almanac and see how your home town is doing in the last 30yrs. See how its changed.

Review the records for 30 years 'eh?
Let's see now, 30 or so years ago scientists were claiming we were entering another ice age.
What was your point exactly?

Phage
reply to post by network dude

 

It sounds like some people would like a bit more data before we decide.

It sounds like some people don't understand science is seldom 100%. You'll never find all scientists agree on anything. You'll find it unusual that 95% do and that when that many do, they are usually right.

WHAT? these are the damn guys making the decisions, putting data in the models, reporting their findings to US. And I am supposed to accept that I have my head in the sand or up my ass because I don't think it's all figured out quite yet? ( I know those were not your words, but they are used A LOT)

My God, if 10% of the greatest scientific minds in the world aren't sure, I don't feel so bad not being sure myself.

reply to post by Cynic

Let's see now, 30 or so years ago scientists were claiming we were entering another ice age.

No. Not really. Not very many of them.
scholar.google.com...

reply to post by network dude

My God, if 10% of the greatest scientific minds in the world aren't sure, I don't feel so bad not being sure myself.

Tell me, if you had a 10% chance of not breaking your leg if you jumped off your roof, would you do it?
Would you pay more attention to the 10% who told you it would be fine or the 90% who said don't do it?