We're Losing Our Military Edge Over China. Here's How to Get It Back.

We should. We should be the strongest, best, most prepared on the globe. So, who is going to pay for it? I am tapped out and already have to write a check to the IRS.

TritonTaranis


And as for scaremongering in Europe perhaps you had forgotten Stalin and WW2

Need I bother educating you on that threat or are you saying there was never any threat ?

Before Stalin was Hitler.... smh

Come on mate it is 21st century isn’t it..? no need to bring up the lies of the 19 century spoon fed by the victors for decades in generations.

Take out those blind folders and get real, research if you must internet library is under the tip of your fingers.

crazyewok
Why should America be the one to pick up the check?

Why not make Australia, New Zealand and Japan pick up the slack in pacific defense its there back yard too!

Im pretty sure Japan and Australia could field a carrier group and a few 5th gen fighter squadrons.

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Firstly Japan isn't aloud to have carriers under UN law

The Aussies can't afford one as of yet and would rather the US did it and have invited the US to have military bases to enforce that along with Taiwan Japan South Korea

If the US wasn't there then you can bet China will invade Taiwan and North Korea will again make a move on the south, the last time North Korea and China attempted that Korea lost 40% of it population up against a handful of allied troops

The US and other western countries have been selling arms to these countries for more than half a century to defend themselves so it's nothing new the only thing which is new is China gaining in strength due to western consumer demands

But that's going elsewhere and China will inevitably implode and be less of a threat to our allies

To which are a communist country friendly to starlings communists in the kremlin

It really should be this hard to understand that it is all directly linked to WW2

TritonTaranis
The US isn't trying to invade Taiwan Japan South Korea they're protecting and aiding them to have the right to exist

Nope, just everywhere in the Middle East.

The US has invaded 50 countries since WW2, and you think China is a threat?

Yes they haven't been great and invaded a few, but no where near the scale the US has.

amkia

TritonTaranis


And as for scaremongering in Europe perhaps you had forgotten Stalin and WW2

Need I bother educating you on that threat or are you saying there was never any threat ?

Come on mate it is 21st century isn’t it..? no need to bring up the lies of the 19 century spoon fed by the victors for decades in generations.

Take those blind folders and get real, research if you must internet library is in tip of your fingers.

Tell me how it isn't what it is ?

I don't need to research anything you are the one who needs to take the blinkers off, the world will never work how you all want until there is a united world, and only wars have united people, not division

Every war fought since 1945 is a continuation of the Second World War and A clash between East and West fighting for control and control because of knowing full well there enemies will gain it

Prove me wrong

TritonTaranis
Firstly Japan isn't aloud to have carriers under UN law

The Aussies can't afford one as of yet and would rather the US did it and have invited the US to have military bases to enforce that along with Taiwan Japan South Korea

If the US wasn't there then you can bet China will invade Taiwan and North Korea will again make a move on the south, the last time North Korea and China attempted that Korea lost 40% of it population up against a handful of allied troops

The US and other western countries have been selling arms to these countries for more than half a century to defend themselves so it's nothing new the only thing which is new is China gaining in strength due to western consumer demands

But that's going elsewhere and China will inevitably implode and be less of a threat to our allies

To which are a communist country friendly to starlings communists in the kremlin

It really should be this hard to understand that it is all directly linked to WW2

I actually agree with you on this one, the US is keeping the Mad Dog in the North under check (old Kimmy)

However, China are not the ones pulling the strings, they have a treaty with North Korea so if they are ever attacked they have to protect them. HOWEVER, the Mad Dog can not be controlled, China have told them countless times to cease their nuclear tests and stop their warmongering but they have not listened.

If anything, China are part of what is keeping Kim Jong at bay. They know if they loose China's support then they are finished.

TritonTaranis

Firstly Japan isn't aloud to have carriers under UN law

A stupid law that should be amended. I think Japan learned there lesson and quite frankly there country needs defending so why expect the USA to pick up the bulk of that!

TritonTaranis
The Aussies can't afford one as of yet and would rather the US did it and have invited the US to have military bases to enforce that along with Taiwan Japan South Korea

1) Then the Aussies should raise there defence budget then!It there country defense! Why should the US taxpayer pay for them?
2) Why should they expect the USA to pick the bulk of defense its there dammed country! You shouldn't expect others to pay for or fight your battles!

TritonTaranis
If the US wasn't there then you can bet China will invade Taiwan and North Korea will again make a move on the south, the last time North Korea and China attempted that Korea lost 40% of it population up against a handful of allied troops

Im not saying the US should withdraw, not at all.

What im saying is they should get there ALLIES, at least the more developed and richer ones to stop freeloading and pick up some of the slack and not expect the USA to do 90% of the work.
The defense of the pacific is the defense of the USA, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and New Zealand. So they should all be putting 100% effort into the defense together and not just sitting back and expecting the USA to do all the heavy lifting.

Plus Vietnam as well the two World wars proved that Aussies can kick just as much but as Americans given the chance, there hardly second rate troops. And Im sure japan still has some whoop ass in them.

If WW3 kicked off it should be American standing with Australia, Japan, Taiwan and South Korea all putting there effort in. Not America going of to die why the other sit back and watch the fireworks.

amkia
Right…

Like it wasn’t enough scaremongering the European nations for decades against the Soviet, now it’s time to turn the Asians against Asians… How amazingly convenient!

New market for the outdated legacy military hardware is here to boost the American war machines; this is kind of old stories.

Scaremongering?! Do you have any idea what the last century was actually like?

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watchitburn
reply to post by travis911

 

Are we at war with China?

Why do we need military dominance over the whole globe?

Do you think we're in danger of being invaded or something?

Yes.

People in the US have been conditioned/brainwashed to think that we are under threat of constant attack.

When in fact, the US is the only aggressor nation in the world with a foreign military empire occupying 100+ countries...


Our nuclear missile stockpile alone could destroy the Earth's inhabitants 20 times over.

We give more money (welfare) to the Military Industrial Complex than the next 4 nations combined (China, Russia, UK and Japan).



But apparently, thats not enough, despite the fact that trillions are unaccounted for.

It would seem that our government has run out of nations to occupy. So now its our turn.

for those that say let japan do it, article 9 of their constitution does not allow for the use of force to settle disputes. their constitution only allows for a adequate level of defense of japan. their military/ SDF is actually part of the national police force. also their constitution does not allow the building and maintaining of a army, navy or air force.

The interpretation of Article 9, has been determined that Japan cannot hold offensive military weapons — this has been interpreted to mean that Japan cannot have ICBMs, nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers or bomber fleets. This has not inhibited the deployment of submarines, AEGIS equipped destroyers, a helicopter carrier, and fighter planes.
Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution

that's a good thing cause those genius little bastards could build some s--t, that would put some hurt on you that ajax couldn't take off if they had enough resources. that coupled with their disposition, discipline, and honor, well you know.

just one more thing, i would like to quote our 26th president and add something to it.

speak softly and carry a big stick.
President Theodore Roosevelt, first used at the Minnesota State Fair on September 2, 1901

and if any body messes with you whack em with it.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


Sorry but that doesnt fly for me.

Why should the US taxpayer pick up most the bill for Japans defence?

Some of these old laws need looking at and amending so the USA can have capable Allies in the pacific instead of bankrupting itself trying to protect everyone.


And yes the Japanese are ingenious people with great warrior spirit. The sort of Allies you want against China!

Sorry but the USA should be getting its allies to pick up more slack. Your going broke!

How about we base out entire economy off of military and every citizen becomes a vital part of our national defense?

ImaFungi
How about we base out entire economy off of military and every citizen becomes a vital part of our national defense?

The US already does that.

Everyone is armed and everyone profits from war... Except those who get blown to pieces... And also the US taxpayer...

reply to post by Maxatoria


With all the stupidities by our military leaders and others, we still have, technologically, the hands down best.

That's the bottom line.

China? Well even if the reached a "par" of some sort, they have a built-in liability that they probably can never overcome. No oil of their own, restricted/limited food supply and an even more vulnerable infrastructure over-all than the U.S..

Believe it or not, their economy is even more vulnerable than ours!! They've financed their economy based on a 15% growth rate-nuts- and any further drop on exports,controlled by the importing nations, not them, and they face a major recession/depression.

Yes, they hold a huge amount of U.S. Treasury Bonds. However, that is nothing but paper. LOL. If U.S. Gov't can treat the "paper" of the Constitution the way they do, what would they do with the "paper" of mere Chinese held treasury bonds?...

Add it all up and China is only a "regional threat". It's neighbors, not the U.S..

reply to post by crazyewok


i agree one hundred percent that other countries should pickup some slack, and do their part. but any country that was bent on world domination such as japan, germany, italy and got defeated. should only be allowed to have enough military strength no matter if you want to call it a police force or a defense force to put up a adequate defense until the aide of other countries that agreed to help them get there, for at least a hundred years.

that way the feelings that may have been fostered by disgruntled off spring, grandchildren or any others has a chance to fade. remember hitler was still pissed at the Kaiser and blamed him for losing WWI,and for a lot of the problems germany faced after the war. and you see what he did.

reply to post by iRoyalty


Are you still partying from Friday night? That's the most contradictory post I've seen this year. LOL. Just saying.....

That's what happens when you get weak, as history shows countless times

China has no need to attack the US...they will just patiently wait till you spend your way to oblivion...much like the US did with the former Soviet Union.

China makes no bones about challenging the US in an "Unrestricted War"

Source?

maintaining dominance at sea specifically in the pacific and surrounding seas is a first line of defence,

The US want s to dominate the whole world...not just the pacific. Full Spectrum Dominance.

As history has also shown time and time again...this dominance cannot last forever. Powers rise...and they fall. The US is an empire in decline. China is on the rise. I can only hope that the US won't destroy the entire world arrogantly trying to hold onto the "belt" to borrow your analogy.

Defence and power projection is important

Diplomacy and peace is far more important. Finding some other way to deal with issues, rather than going right to the military option every time is essential for the prosperity and security for the entire world...not just the US.

When the only tool you have is a hammer....everything starts to look like a nail. See the last 12 years as an example of where this doctrine leads.

More than a MILLION innocent people have paid with their lives and more than 5 MILIION people have been made refugees in order for the US to project it's power and dominance in the last decade.....when will the body count ever be high enough to satisfy American's insecurity and baseless fear? 10 MILIION....maybe 20?

Your going broke!

Correction...they are already broke. They are living on a FED credit card....something that cannot continue much longer....I assure you.

When the US falls...and it will, it will make the fall of the Roman Empire look like kids stuff by comparison.

reply to post by crazyewok


CW, I have to say it. An absolutely spot on post.

The inertia of that WWII mentality has to, HAS TO, get a major rewrite.

Spread the cost, empower our real allies and maintain our own military at deterrence levels, not dominance levels...otherwise we go broke.