West Texas Spanloader

a reply to: SirDrinksalot

Not sure about that. I'm sure that they know at least as much about these planes as Zaphod and a couple others around here seem to know; maybe more. Besides, I would expect these sightings to be more over NATO countries than the central and southwestern US if they were trying to send a message.

a reply to: cmdrkeenkid

You'd be surprised actually.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Sammamishman
a reply to: Bedlam

Do you know what it is that Zaph can't tell us? Do ya, Do ya. You can trust me.....

ARGH. Zaph's "channeling" info from someone out here, I think, and while I'm morally sure I know which group I don't know who. Yet.

It's still S, some of it's TS. That doesn't generally stop me from dropping hints but I'm friggin' involved, or was last year, so no, don't want no visits from MIBs, not for me. I will vouch for him actually knowing what he's talking about in this case. Dammit.

eta: I wasn't commenting much on the spanloader thread or the other one which someone noticed and u2u'd me. When I did, Z started dropping the root project names and other coy little hints.

I will say this - sort of like Able Providence, there are other projects that look like they ended on paper, and didn't. A lot of times "we built this nifty prototype and while it worked just fine and we loved it we have decided to shelve the entire series, tout fini" just means "and now we're swinging into fullbore production with its big brother on the non-line item budget, and you'll never get a sniff of it, peons".

Funny you mention that. I did get a phone call about some of my activity on ats...they asked me very politely to stfu...which is why I haven't been on ats in a while. Lol

a reply to: boomer135

Further proof that the Aircraft Projects forum is the creme de la creme of ATS: the govt. asks (however politely) prominent members to STFU

a reply to: boomer135

What activities would those be?

originally posted by: Sammamishman
a reply to: boomer135

What activities would those be?

Some of those pics were Not For Human Consumption, I'm pretty sure.

a reply to: Bedlam

I must be Mikey, cause I'll CONSUME them if given the chance!

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Sammamishman
a reply to: boomer135

What activities would those be?

Some of those pics were Not For Human Consumption, I'm pretty sure.

My guess is the Gray F-117..

a reply to: clay2 baraka

There were a few others as well.

Zaphod, what do you really know? Shadowy "sources"? Claiming a new aircraft will be disclosed in six to eighteen months? Claiming this undisclosed aircraft has an amazing ECM suite? Anyone working for Skunk Works, or other black projects, who has disclosed anything to you is a traitor. More, I think you're full of it. In other words, you're making it up.

I do know people who have worked on secret projects. Ya know what they disclosed? Nothing. They, to a person, take/took their security oaths very seriously. What did I ask? Nothing. What would they tell? Nothing.

Your on a Internet forum posting vague hints about supposedly secret information you're in possession of? The mere knowledge of same is a crime! If someone passed secret information, which is highly doubtful, they've committed a serious crime and should be prosecuted. Our black projects are black not to keep fascinating information from enthusiasts like us. They are kept black to keep the information from those that wish to kill us and destroy our way of life. Those who work black projects know this.

Why anyone gives you any credibility on this issue escapes me.

a reply to: SlightlyAbovePar

You can think what you like. I'll be borne out when it comes out as I said.

I didn't ask anyone to tell me anything, and I haven't disclosed anything. I haven't said anything about the systems on board, except it's a nice electronics system, which would be obvious to anyone that knows anything about these aircraft.

And the project is still black, for now. The fact that it exists is clear to all those enemies you say want to kill us and destroy our way of life. I haven't disclosed a damn thing that isn't already known, and wasn't known to them before I said a thing.

If you don't like what I have to say, you don't have to read it. It's that simple.

a reply to: SlightlyAbovePar

The knowledge of a black project isn't a crime, if it was a few of us would have been in trouble a long while ago.

Zaph hadn't said much about these aircraft other than they will be going grey soon, there's also a lot of info that he hasn't said about these aircraft that he could have but he chose not to.

There's a reason they were flying over on the day and because of that they had to be flown over during the day, people saw and took photographs. Their existence is no longer a secret.

a reply to: Zaphod58


That's the thing, you haven't actually said anything. You've made a series of vague statements. So vague, really anything can be "proof". Your HUGE timeline bears some fruit, you were obviously in the know. Your timeline doesn't bear fruit? Easy explanation: your "sources" told you the project was pushed back/shelved whatever.

What you have done is put yourself out there as someone who has knowledge of black projects, given to you by those who actually work on those projects. It doesn't matter that you believe you haven't disclosed anything. If what your claiming is true, and it isn't, the mere possession of this knowledge is a crime and those who shared it with you are guilty of very serious crimes.

Otherwise, your sources are nothing more than other Internet forum posters who don't know what they are talking about.

a reply to: Stealthbomber

Sorry, you're wrong. Speculating about black projects isn't a crime. Actually having information passed to you by those who have actual knowledge on actual black projects IS.

Think about this. You've got someone on a Internet forum claiming they know secrets. Not speculation, but actual specifications on an actual black project. Those that passed the information are criminals. Not figuratively. Literally. If Zaph possesses any actual information, and he doesn't, and he's not shared with the authorities who passed the I formation, he's a criminal himself. And bragging about this on an Internet forum.

Think about it. It's total BS.

a reply to: SlightlyAbovePar

I kept my timeline vague for a reason. I haven't said anything in detail, also for a reason. On the one hand, you accuse me of leaking information, then you turn around and say that I haven't said anything. Which is it? And how do you know what I'm claiming isn't true? Do you have firsthand knowledge of it? Or have you decided that it's true because you don't like what I have to say?

Again, if you don't like what I have to say, don't read it. It's that simple.

I guess you have problems with AviationWeek, Flightglobal, and all those blogs that post more information than I've ever given out. Have you complained to them too? Or just about me.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Nice try at reversal, but no.

First, you've claimed many times you "know" what the aircraft is. On a Internet forum. Assuming its black, as you have stated many times, your in possession of information that could have you thrown in jail. Not for disclosing specifics, but merely possessing it. You obviously don't get this, which is the biggest tell.

Furthermore, you've gone quite a bit further by claiming to know of specific ECM capabilities that would "blow your minds". This alone earns you a jail sentence. Again, It doesn't matter if you "disclose" it. The fact that your in possession of the information is enough. And, again, because you don't understand this, or don't care, is a huge tell.

It's not a matter of liking what you have to say. It's the fact that you're full of stuff. You have no idea what the aircraft is. You have no idea of its capabilities. You have no legitimate sources. That you are duping others into believing you is my problem.

In the real world, where real knowledge exists, where people really do work on black projects, anyone passing any info to you is anathema to the real people, who do the real work on these aircraft.

You're a sham.

a reply to: SlightlyAbovePar

So now you know what information I'm in possession of? Are you a mind reader? Even without any sources it's pretty easy to figure out what it is just by looking at what's going on. But according to you, there are a bunch of people here on ATS that belong in jail, because I'm not the only one that knows about projects like this.

But if you want to say I'm a sham, go for it. You have no idea what I know, or what my sources are. Yet again, if you don't like me, or what I have to say, don't read what I say. Really easy solution.

a reply to: SlightlyAbovePar

There's a difference though, it someone gave him a dash 1 for the SR-72 and he got caught with it then yeah it would be pretty bad, if someone told him something then how could it ever be proven? He would just say I was just making educated guesses.

You need proof to put someone in jail, he hasn't said much on here that couldn't be put down to educated guesses if the need for that sort of thing arises, hopefully it won't lol

a reply to: Zaphod58

Couple of clarifications: you, as a person, as a human, are not a sham. Your claiming knowledge of black projects in general and this particular aircraft, in particular, is total BS.

You're still arguing with me about the specifics of what you know. If you know any, and you don't, you've earned yourself a jail sentence. In the real world, where real people work on really secret projects, information isn't passed casually, or at all. Those who work on these projects take their oaths very seriously; for all the right reasons. They don't pass info.

The idea that you know anything, is a joke. Shoot, you have specifically highlighted how you have been passed info by those in the know. You just dimed them out of very serious crimes. Not only them, but you! You've specifically implicated them in a criminal pursuit for passing the info and yourself for receiving it. And bragging about it on the internet. On a Internet forum. The fact that you STILL don't get this is a massive, huge, flaming red flag.

In other words, you're full of stuff.

a reply to: Stealthbomber

Gosh, I'm not trying to argue with you. Truly. I'm trying to help you see what a fraud his claims are and the - obvious - reasons. It doesn't work that way. I know it seems like it should, but it doesn't. That's why, to me, it's such an obvious fraud.

The fact that he, himself, has claimed to be in possession of highly classified information is enough. Possession doesn't, in this case, mean diagrams, or engineering schematics. Possession can mean mental possession. I other words knowing. Those that actually have information know this. They sign contracts specifying this. Besides honest patriotism and believing in the cause of black projects - beyond that - they know passing information could cost them everything. And they don't.