Poland calling up military reserves immediately

This is probably due to the fact Russia is planning on annexing Eastern Ukraine

If Russia does then NATO will step in

Firstly beginning with Eastern European troops

elysiumfire
Wow. I think it is incredible that many of you view Russia as being the aggressor. No Russian troops invaded Crimea, they were already there, with a contingent of reserves along Ukraine's borders just in case. If Putin hadn't mobilised is already in place forces in the Crimea, the world would be watching TV reports of Ukrainians killing Russians, like the Ukrainian snipers on the roofs.
Putin has no plans to invade other EU countries, regardless of what you think of him, or the war you twistedly hope for. Some of you are incapable of reading the real actions that the West is authoring, especially in the Ukraine, because without promises from the West, the current Ukraine leadership wouldn't be acting or speaking so bold.

Both Russia and Putin are getting pay back for Syria, and for the financial deals that could potentially hurt America. You all need to get it in your heads, war with Russia would be a nuclear war. Do any of you seriously believe Putin to have such a death wish? Why with nuclear threat always hovering above him would he want to invade another country, especially one with Western back up?

No! What is going on is the pot is being stirred in order to undermine Russia's economy, to bring it down slightly, so that its bite is not as bad. All the talk of Russia being an aggressor is scaring off investment, it is simply Western fearmongering, and it is working, but it will also work against the West, and force Putin to make moves to safeguard Russia in economic and financial terms. If it truly becomes a military issue, we all know where that would lead, and if you are one of the posters who actually wants to see it happen, you are sick in the head.

Are you totally Deluded and blind? ....perhaps

So it wasn't an invasion ?

Ok

Are you ignoring the helicopters that flew from Russia to Ukraine with masked men?

So it was t and invasion or occupation?

I guess the Ukrainian soldiers that was held hostage in there own military bases would call you a BIG FAT LIAR of the highest order

So Putin said the troops "that wasn't his" were there to protect Russian speaking Ukraine a that we're threatened, well we all know that was also a BIG FAT LIE also

Go live in Russia bro I'm Sure you'll love it

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Why does a war with Russia have to be nuclear? WWIII doesn't necessarily mean nukes or the end of the world.

Any country who believes women should not drive, get an education, speak out in protest, or rape being a fine instead of jail time....should be considered insane & dangerous...Plus using warfare on their own people. North Korea, China & Russia in particular are full of hidden human atrocities. The people cannot speak up about the crimes if they want to live regardless of where they run. Snowden being an example. He is still alive (& so is his family) because we have a democratic justice system even if corrupt it is better than those other countries. There would never be a Snowden in one of those countries. The people are too well caged just like the people in Crimea now. Poland has every right to be extremely concerned. Putin had this planned out & moved very quickly. So should the rest of the world in protecting what freedoms we still have left.

CJCrawley
reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

Good point.

As I see it, the reasons for the current Russian manoeuvres are twofold:

1. The West's streamlining of their conventional forces

2. The perception (deserved or not) that the current Commander-In-Chief of the West is a wussbag.

Actually I like the fact that Obama is less belligerent than his predecessor, but this may be viewed by Russia and China as a welcome weakness to be exploited while it lasts.

Could you imagine the Crimea thing taking place when Bush was president?

It did but, in Georgia and we did absolutely nothing about it. Most likely why Putin figured he might get away a second time without santions.

I do not see conflict erupting with Russia invading any country. I think their aggression ended in Crimea. They had to do that because of the importance of the area. Any other invasion will bring more trouble than it is worth.

I believe it's all just being done in preparation for when Russia and China sign their trade agreement in May, that will effective make them full blown allies forming a new "axis" of power with Russia, China, Brazil, South Africa, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, India is even joining them. So thank you Mr. Obama for forcing Russia and China together with your sanctions on Russia and effectively making a military power that is clearly greater then our own.

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Putin will be pushed hard.He may take some bad moves.

He May take some bad moves yet when western nations have done bad moves there was no outcry?

TritonTaranis
This is probably due to the fact Russia is planning on annexing Eastern Ukraine

If Russia does then NATO will step in

Firstly beginning with Eastern European troops

So Russia is the only one annexing countries but NATO isn't?

Based on Polands history with russia it makes great sense to me, but then again, i don't live in poland. but i have lived in Europe, and unlike the US, the echo's from WWII are still ringing in a lot of peoples ears over there, and rightfully so. I imagine the Poles are just stating what they've always told the russians, if ALL we had were pointy sticks, we'd still tell you to bring it. yeah. the poles hate the russians that much. and i don't blame them. they are always on the road to somebody else's miltary conquest. The spirit of Sobieski lives. Rock On Polish Military! Hopefully, NATO will have your back, but these days, how can ANYONE be sure of what NATO will do. I'm sure the libyans said the same thing.

Oh dear,
Please excuse me, as I need to finish reinforcing my home.

I don't think it's a big case for alarm in my opinion.

Due to all of the tension, it seems like their just trying to warm their troops up a bit and keep them frosty just in case. Getting caught with your pants down in not a good thing when it comes to the military.

I wouldn't look at this event and claim doom. Seems to me their trying not to get rusty.

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The article is before first of january 2014 when the restrictions for Romanian and Bulgarian citizens have been lifted. Until 14th january less than 25 Romanians have come to Britain. UKIP propaganda sadly though accomplished it's goals, creating panic in the media about some sort of invasion from the east.

Poland put a big red flag on itself when they allowed the USA to base missiles in the country and last month they allowed jet fighters from America to start flying around.

Should Putin just sit around and allow Russia to be surrounded or put another way would the USA allow this if it happened to them because I think not and he has every right in the world to defend Russia at all costs and if that involves nukes then so be it.

It's the west that is hiring thugs to start these riots and it is the west that will end up paying

Agent_USA_Supporter

TritonTaranis
This is probably due to the fact Russia is planning on annexing Eastern Ukraine

If Russia does then NATO will step in

Firstly beginning with Eastern European troops

So Russia is the only one annexing countries but NATO isn't?

Please explain what country was ever annex by NATO, considering NATO is a conglomerate of nations to work together. It's a club, not a nation and you need to be accepted into the club. You're not annexed into.

f4andHALFtoads
reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

Nail - head...

So what information?

It has to be something that divulges the inner core of forward strategy; something that reaches into the very gut, a clarity on the forward agenda of the military complex's self satisfying mission- something juicy!

Nor would I imagine that Greenwald has that info; a card up the sleeve only to play for Snowden's future comfort.

The important thing is not what that information might be, but if Putin has it as you suggest. If he does have it, welcome to the Putin show. He does love to plump up the feathers and strutt about, and in accord with your thinking Vasa, I believe we will see a lot more of the strutting...

Hmmm...well it appears the NSA may think the same thing:

Source

When asked what he would do with Snowden were he granted 15 minutes alone with him, Alexander said he wouldn't attack the former analyst, but instead might reveal to him the damage he's caused the agency, "so he knows the damage -- the significant damage to our nation and to our allies."

TritonTaranis
This is probably due to the fact Russia is planning on annexing Eastern Ukraine

If Russia does then NATO will step in

Firstly beginning with Eastern European troops

Don't even joke on that. We don't have military power to stop Russia entering the Ukraine if they start. NATO and Poland said that before that would not enter this conflict if Russia would enter in east Ukraine with military force. Instead of that there would be next sanctions for Russia, this time devastating for their economy for good. Military power in Poland would be used only if Russia would attack othe NATO country like Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania but such move is highly unlikely because as I said before their elites would move out Putin rather than allowed him to ruined their business in Europe.

TritonTaranis:

Are you totally Deluded and blind?

Not at all, not a jot. Obviously, you and a number of other posters here are, however. Allowing your prejudices to inform your supposition and opinion...and that isn't perhaps.

So it wasn't an invasion?

No, it wasn't. You can't invade a country when you are already in it by amicable decree with the country you're supposed to have invaded. The Crimea hosts a large Russian naval base which gives Russia access to the Mediterranean, and their lease was to run out in 2017, but Yanovych extended this to 2042 for gas and other deals. Russians are the majority ethnicity, 60% of the 2 million people that live there. Once Yankovych was deposed by Ukranian neo-fascists in a so-called government vote which fell short of the legally required number of votes to depose an elected president, Putin mobilised the troops already in Crimea to protect certain Russian interests and the Russian people from the violence the Ukranian fascists were perpetrating on them. The Russian troops stationed along Ukrainian borders were not really mobilised.

Bear in mind, that not a single Russian soldier fired their weapon or caused harm to any Ukranian, most the violence had first been initiated by Ukranians on Russians, but in tit-for-tat reciprocation Russians responded as they had a right to do in defence. Once the Crimean population held the referendum with which country they wanted to ally with, choosing Russia, Putin then set about consolidating the wish of the people, and Russian troops have since been taking over bases held by Ukranians, and doing so without too much violence. None of this is an invasion, certainly not like America and the West entering Iraq.

I don't expect you or one or two others to agree with anything I have stated here, you will simply refuse to view the situation in Crimea reasonably, and also refuse to acknowledge the Western influence at play behind the troubles in the first place. The West, specifically America, wants to cut the Mediterranean access to Russian fleets and to its naval base in Syria, and to undermine Russian economic and financial growth and influence in the world.

ItCameFromOuterSpace :

Why does a war with Russia have to be nuclear? WWIII doesn't necessarily mean nukes or the end of the world.

WW3 would be nuclear, because nuclear powers would be waging conflict with each other, and even though it would begin with conventional ordinance, it would soon turn to use of tactical nukes and then a full nuclear exchange on military and civilian sites. If America or NATO got into a military conflict with Russia here in a European theatre, Russian military would overwhelm both, and Obama would have to use tactical nukes to try and save his European military limb...this would eventually lead to a full-on nuclear exchange, it could go no other way.

TritonTaranis
This is probably due to the fact Russia is planning on annexing Eastern Ukraine

If Russia does then NATO will step in

Firstly beginning with Eastern European troops

I'm keeping a list of fashionable buzzwords.

Pre-emptive defence, (Honestly your honour, I defended myself by hitting him first before he could hit me).
Kinetic event
Annexing - Verb: To occupy ones own building. I should use this one when I am squatting somewhere.
Legitimate government - For when I decide to disagree with my tax return. I shall establish a new one with a baseball bat.

Actually some of the groups involved in the Ukraine coup do have NAZI ideals, they admit to it freely. In fact the infighting between these groups have now started in Ukraine with one leader being assasinated a day or two ago.

Olexander Muzychko, a member of Ukraine's radical Right Sector party and an active participant in this year's anti-government riots in Kiev, was gunned down late Monday in western Ukraine in an operation by law enforcement.

Expect the infighting to get worse as one faction fights against another for influence.

As for poland, they remember Katyn Forest incident which the world and russians blamed on germany during WWII even through germany got international observers in to prove it wasnt them but hey, germans are the bad guys right? 30,000 massacred pols, shot execution style.

Russia only admitted its guilt recently.

The government of Nazi Germany announced the discovery of mass graves in the Katyn Forest in 1943. When the London-based Polish government-in-exile asked for an investigation by the International Red Cross, Stalin immediately severed diplomatic relations with it. The Soviet Union claimed the victims had been murdered by the Nazis, and continued to deny responsibility for the massacres until 1990, when it officially acknowledged and condemned the perpetration of the killings by the NKVD, as well as the subsequent cover-up by the Soviet government