U.S., other powers kick Russia out of G8

reply to post by JohnPhoenix


but occupation is not annexation now is it? we don't dictate their actions or anything and they trade to whichever nations they want.

CaptainBeno
Could seizing a country by Russia actually be a behind the scenes deal by the two leaders in order to start a "new" cold war? Perhaps an attempt to kick start the economies.....or "take it back to the good old days" ...................... but without a fight.

I am thinking close to the same thing. It is just tugging too strongly at my gut that I am missing something.

I feel strongly that something just isn't right; that we are being played. I think it is one of those slight of hand magic tricks. "Look, nothing in my hands and nothing up my sleeve." Then, "Presto!" You lose!

namehere
reply to post by JohnPhoenix

 

but occupation is not annexation now is it? we don't dictate their actions or anything and they trade to whichever nations they want.

No, we just kill people for whatever reason and say it is for the war on terrorism....is that better than annexing ?

SLAYER69

Nobody in their right mind would attack either Russia or China.

Exactly. And as we all know the leaders involved in this particular pissing contest are both of sound mind.

Right?

There is no way sane leaders would ever let such a small thing escalate into an actual war no one could possibly win.

Right?

No worries folks. It's all good. They're just playing harmless games.

jhn7537

all2human
I fear they are damaging each others national interests to a point where War will be inevitable

A bunch of stubborn government leaders is a scary thing... Agendas that are opposite of our own citizens best interest is also a scary thing...

It actually crossed my mind....that maybe war is wanted. What better way to get all attention off everything that is messed up...and mind you I think we are in the most critical point in history regardless of the potential off ww3. You had two choices for distraction...aliens or ww3.....

~Lucidity
In the end all this is sanction crap is a Waste of time. We all know that the next step is to build relations With Russia again. So why do we do all this crap?

What a bunch of NOOBs we have as political leaders.

Sorry Mr. Obama, "horses" don't move that way.

For at least the last 100 years our federal government has never intended upon strengthening this country, regardless of demonazi's or republifascists, we have been owned by the elite who pull the strings from behind the scenes. We have been and are going to continue to be destroyed from the inside out until Americans unite and gain the courage to see through the illusions created by our masters through the idiot box!

Fortunately for me I see things from a spiritual perspective and have complete faith that all things are playing out as they need to, may be beyond my complete understanding, but hey, why should it be! Enjoy the ride my extended family, love on!

You have to think like the trilateral commission.

Forcing Russia into a corner with China, India and others creates a more manageable unit, once they implement trade and financial standards in that region.

As always, someone far above the level of presidents & prime ministers has the ball in hand. Never forget that.

NightSkyeB4Dawn

CaptainBeno
Could seizing a country by Russia actually be a behind the scenes deal by the two leaders in order to start a "new" cold war? Perhaps an attempt to kick start the economies.....or "take it back to the good old days" ...................... but without a fight.

I am thinking close to the same thing. It is just tugging too strongly at my gut that I am missing something.

I feel strongly that something just isn't right; that we are being played. I think it is one of those slight of hand magic tricks. "Look, nothing in my hands and nothing up my sleeve." Then, "Presto!" You lose!

It's definitely seems like one of those battle grid strategy games. But it's hard to tell whether it's a show match, or whether it's a real "spheres of influence" land grab at the end of World War II. What they are fighting over is the Ukraine's gas pipeline network, the agricultural land and the military bases in Crimea. "Blue team moves ten divisions forward by ten squares, gains oil distribution +500000 points, gains agricultural land +500000 points. Red team moves one division forward by one square, gains military bases +1000000 points".

Going by the way Russians offered to split the rest of Ukraine up and go "halves", that suggests they just want to maintain the status quo and grab what they can. And the USA/EU see the whole country as the prize, especially since they could then isolate Russia and Iran.

I accidentally duplicated this thread in the BAN forum a few hours ago

all2human
I fear they are damaging each others national interests to a point where War will be inevitable

It seems like a game of chicken.

What is not clear yet, is if Russia is being kicked out or the next G8 will be held somewhere elese from Sochi (Russian location), and without Russia.

It seems there is not a clear statement from the remaining G7 nations. On top of them Germany and France gave very opposite opinion about Russian absence.

Look, I'm well aware that Putin was head of the KGB and that there is alot that is not being revealed to outsiders, also that there is no dictator or leader that is the answer to the problems on earth, we are all called to step up to the plate and not give our power away. I would not be signing any petitions for his government to take over.

That being said, with what occurred so far, Russia was probably manipulated into the position it took, and did nothing wrong.

No worries, Russia should just strengthen the BRICKs ..
so now it's the BRICKs vs. the PRICKs ..

Atlantican
You have to think like the trilateral commission.

Forcing Russia into a corner with China, India and others creates a more manageable unit, once they implement trade and financial standards in that region.

As always, someone far above the level of presidents & prime ministers has the ball in hand. Never forget that.

Goldman Sachs Comes to Mind .....

More to follow

Riouz

SLAYER69
Honestly

Did anybody expect this not to happen?

It was them way before Russia was ever invited/involved.

Honestly...I was in hopes that the West has just a little intelligence and Honor!

But, there was little expectation, so the disappointment isn't so hard to deal with...

greencmp

~Lucidity
In the end all this is sanction crap is a Waste of time. We all know that the next step is to build relations With Russia again. So why do we do all this crap?

What a bunch of NOOBs we have as political leaders.

Sorry Mr. Obama, "horses" don't move that way.

edit on 24-3-2014 by greencmp because: (no reason given)

Just to be clear...I didn't say what it looks like I said here. I replied to it with the pic.

jhn7537
Another twist in the US/Russia/Ukraine situation, where it now looks like Russia's membership in the G8 has been suspended/terminated for now. Russia doesn't seem too concerned over this, I doubt they will lose any sleep, but this is just another probing attempt by my country (The US) towards Russia. There is a saying that goes "the straw that broke the camels back", right now both countries are piling up crap on one another and before you know it there will be a breaking point and then WWIII will be here... Just felt I would share this story from CNN with the rest of you.

The Hague, Netherlands (CNN) -- U.S. President Barack Obama and other world leaders have decided to end Russia's role in the group of leading industrialized nations, the White House said Monday.
The move to suspend Russia's membership in the G8 is the latest direct response from major countries allied against Russia's annexation of Crimea.
"International law prohibits the acquisition of part or all of another state's territory through coercion or force," the statement said. "To do so violates the principles upon which the international system is built. We condemn the illegal referendum held in Crimea in violation of Ukraine's constitution.
"We also strongly condemn Russia's illegal attempt to annex Crimea in contravention of international law and specific international obligations."
Earlier in the day, Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said being kicked out of G8 would be no big deal.
"G8 is an informal organization that does not give out any membership cards and, by its definition, cannot remove anyone," he said during a news conference. " All the economic and financial questions are decided in G20, and G8 has the purpose of existence as the forum of dialogue between the leading Western countries and Russia.
"If our Western partners believe that this organizational format has outlived, so be it. At least, we are not attached to this format and we don't see a great misfortune if it will not gather. Maybe, for a year or two, it will be an experiment for us to see how we live without it."
In a nod to political and economic reforms, the United States, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Japan, and Italy added Russia to their group in 1998 -- transforming it from the G7 to the G8.
A spokesperson for British Prime Minister David Cameron confirmed to CNN that a group summit initially planned for June in Sochi, Russia, where the Winter Olympics were just held, is now off.

CNN Source

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edit on 24-3-2014 by jhn7537 because: (no reason given)

While I am against such unilateral moves by Russia, and recognize it violates international law, I'm keenly aware of the hypocrisy of the West. For example, the Iraq War clearly violated international law and the UN Charter as it was a pre-emptive act of aggression, a unilateral one at that without UN sanction.

Atlantican
You have to think like the trilateral commission.

Forcing Russia into a corner with China, India and others creates a more manageable unit, once they implement trade and financial standards in that region.

As always, someone far above the level of presidents & prime ministers has the ball in hand. Never forget that.

You can't have ordo ab chao without the chao after all.

And chao is coming.

Wrabbit2000
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

I suppose to be totally honest? Yeah... I've seen this coming and so have many many others. I don't think any of us have wanted to fully admit what we know we've been watching. However...it started with Iraq in 1990..and then, the belief that it was an isolated need. Not a start of anything. Just spank the bad man for invading Kuwait and it's over.....right?

Then 10 years of jockeying for position..and 9/11, to lead into ..what? American Militarism as a national value? I'm not sure how many other ways this fits to describe?

All the while tho... We've been outright taking out, corrupting or co-opting nations in the sphere of influence of the other 2 world powers. Sometimes a little to the left..and sometimes a little to the right..sometimes, even a wild hair off in an odd direction! Always, seemingly, back to the main direction eventually though. Chip, Isolate, Chip, Move a little closer, chip some more...and someday..well...

We all knew, deep down I think at some point, America lost the skill of putting our wagon into reverse. Eventually, we were going to get to the destination and the other end wasn't going to welcome us. Eventually, I think it's been clearer and clearer, we were headed for Moscow and/or Beijing either figuratively or literally. Slowly...but surely. We've almost arrived, too.

Exactly, at 32 I probably only began to grasp all of this in the past decade BUT the way I view most situations now such as Syria, Iran, and the Ukraine are nothing but proxy wars with the aim of reducing through dominoes falling the power of any rivals such as Russia and China. The goal is nothing but global hegemony. Too many people around the world, even non-Americans, can't bring themselves to believe that the West is not all about democracy and human rights abroad. I even argued once with my Swiss roommate about the Iraq War being totally about regional hegemony and he couldn't bring himself to get out of the "it was for bringing democracy" or "getting rid of Saddam's weapons."

To be honest, the fact that so many people continue to think this is about human rights and democracy is probably the greatest propaganda and public relations achievement of the past century, that countless millions interpret our coups, interventions, assassinations, invasions, and so on since WWII as being for "global policing," freedom, and democracy. I want to hire that PR firm! lol.