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U.S., other powers kick Russia out of G8
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Fantastic and now the G1 won't be hold back by the other G7 and will be in a position to speak it's own mind.
if this is the price for allowing a democratic vote to go ahead instead of having a good old shootout like in the Ukraine then it's not a penalty but a bloody big bonus for Russia.
I know lets try a no fly zone over Russia and see how we get on against the best offensive missile system the world has ever seen because we must stamp out anyone that gets to vote.
if this is the price for allowing a democratic vote to go ahead instead of having a good old shootout like in the Ukraine then it's not a penalty but a bloody big bonus for Russia.
I know lets try a no fly zone over Russia and see how we get on against the best offensive missile system the world has ever seen because we must stamp out anyone that gets to vote.
What started out as a standard cou has turned into a real game changer for the long run .Call it a new cold war or what ever but I can see the west is
going to have to back down from their empty diplomacy and grow a pair and start acting responsible .If they don't they will find themselves in a heap
of both political and economical trouble ,if that is not already true ,and I think it is .Way too many missing trillions that they cant account for
and have no way of stealing them ....
Just an extension of the sanctions. Can you really sanction a country on the one hand while still allowing them a seat as one of the leading
industrialized countries? Naw...probably not.
reply to post by SLAYER69
I suppose to be totally honest? Yeah... I've seen this coming and so have many many others. I don't think any of us have wanted to fully admit what we know we've been watching. However...it started with Iraq in 1990..and then, the belief that it was an isolated need. Not a start of anything. Just spank the bad man for invading Kuwait and it's over.....right?
Then 10 years of jockeying for position..and 9/11, to lead into ..what? American Militarism as a national value? I'm not sure how many other ways this fits to describe?
All the while tho... We've been outright taking out, corrupting or co-opting nations in the sphere of influence of the other 2 world powers. Sometimes a little to the left..and sometimes a little to the right..sometimes, even a wild hair off in an odd direction! Always, seemingly, back to the main direction eventually though. Chip, Isolate, Chip, Move a little closer, chip some more...and someday..well...
We all knew, deep down I think at some point, America lost the skill of putting our wagon into reverse. Eventually, we were going to get to the destination and the other end wasn't going to welcome us. Eventually, I think it's been clearer and clearer, we were headed for Moscow and/or Beijing either figuratively or literally. Slowly...but surely. We've almost arrived, too.
I suppose to be totally honest? Yeah... I've seen this coming and so have many many others. I don't think any of us have wanted to fully admit what we know we've been watching. However...it started with Iraq in 1990..and then, the belief that it was an isolated need. Not a start of anything. Just spank the bad man for invading Kuwait and it's over.....right?
Then 10 years of jockeying for position..and 9/11, to lead into ..what? American Militarism as a national value? I'm not sure how many other ways this fits to describe?
All the while tho... We've been outright taking out, corrupting or co-opting nations in the sphere of influence of the other 2 world powers. Sometimes a little to the left..and sometimes a little to the right..sometimes, even a wild hair off in an odd direction! Always, seemingly, back to the main direction eventually though. Chip, Isolate, Chip, Move a little closer, chip some more...and someday..well...
We all knew, deep down I think at some point, America lost the skill of putting our wagon into reverse. Eventually, we were going to get to the destination and the other end wasn't going to welcome us. Eventually, I think it's been clearer and clearer, we were headed for Moscow and/or Beijing either figuratively or literally. Slowly...but surely. We've almost arrived, too.
greencmp
reply to post by all2human
Frankly, this is a situation that actually does call for the UN. Last time the UN overruled a security council member (UNEF, I think) was during the Suez crisis but, it can be done if they choose to do it.
Was that about that little canal the British and French paid for and the Americans came in a took and why the French hate Americans ?
I've ran out of fingers and toes in counting how many places the USA has liberated in the past 40 years and I can only hope the people in the Ukraine enjoy this liberation as much as we do in Europe......................... Not
Was the G8 to represent thinking on the streets then it would be the G4 + B4
The good thing about starting a war is that it removes a lot of disillusioned youngsters off the streets and lets face it that not having the money to buy your own roof over your head and seeing green land going to waste for as far as the eye can see must be having an effect on the youngsters of today.
I bet the young in Russia have a better chance of a roof over their heads than the youth of today in Europe.
edit on 24-3-2014 by VirusGuard because: (no reason given)
Obama and Russian Medvedev had that "hot Mic" moment a couple of years ago.......
Hmmm. He had a "secret" **message** for Putin !!!
"Obama tells Russian PM "After Election I Have More Flexibilty" "
and now.....
Hmmm. He had a "secret" **message** for Putin !!!
President Obama was caught on a hot mic telling outgoing Russian President Dmitri Medvedev that if given "space," he'll have more flexibility "after my election."
"Obama tells Russian PM "After Election I Have More Flexibilty" "
and now.....
BREAKING
Obama announces Putin can no longer play with his blocks and UK throws over a table and runs around screaming until some one gives them chocolate milk.
Siiiigh
Obama announces Putin can no longer play with his blocks and UK throws over a table and runs around screaming until some one gives them chocolate milk.
Siiiigh
None of these small 'infractions
' by the U.S.A. or its allies are enough on their own to start a war. But yet all these small 'infractions' are adding up to a choice that Russia has to make.... war or crumble.
The truth is when it comes to this decision the Great country of Russia will fight. But by the time they choose to fight they will be too weak to win for giving in to so many compiled infractions adding up to a weakness too great to over come the battle.
Its like they are slowly being backed into a corner but yet are trying to save face by explaining their reasoning and making their intentions seem normal. All the while they are just as bad as the United States Government with the media/controll/ general control albeit they are much better.
"I" and I speak for lots of ATS members and many informed Americans do not stand for this government control and manipulation upon its people. We are a republic NOT a democracy. It is not so strange to my educated mind that the government pushes for the existence of a democracy.
-Alien
' by the U.S.A. or its allies are enough on their own to start a war. But yet all these small 'infractions' are adding up to a choice that Russia has to make.... war or crumble.
The truth is when it comes to this decision the Great country of Russia will fight. But by the time they choose to fight they will be too weak to win for giving in to so many compiled infractions adding up to a weakness too great to over come the battle.
Its like they are slowly being backed into a corner but yet are trying to save face by explaining their reasoning and making their intentions seem normal. All the while they are just as bad as the United States Government with the media/controll/ general control albeit they are much better.
"I" and I speak for lots of ATS members and many informed Americans do not stand for this government control and manipulation upon its people. We are a republic NOT a democracy. It is not so strange to my educated mind that the government pushes for the existence of a democracy.
-Alien
markosity1973
Ughh, when will the powers in the West just let it go.
This is getting beyond ridiculous and is absolute hypocrisy from the USA. Need I mention the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as many others that were started with the help of or directly by the USA that Russia vehemently opposed.....
There were very few sanctions and fallouts from Russian toward us over those moves. Russia has taken Crimea in an almost bloodless move and we are screaming bloody murder.
Dumbedit on 24-3-2014 by markosity1973 because: (no reason given)
hypocrisy huh, what do those wars have to do with this? and which nation allied to russia have we ever annexed part of?
and it's only bloodless for now but don't be so naive as to think it's over so quickly and will be totally peaceful, when you annex land there will always be violence even if it was peaceful.
edit on 24-3-2014 by namehere because: (no reason given)
Wrabbit2000
All the while tho... We've been outright taking out, corrupting or co-opting nations in the sphere of influence of the other 2 world powers. Sometimes a little to the left..and sometimes a little to the right..sometimes, even a wild hair off in an odd direction! Always, seemingly, back to the main direction eventually though. Chip, Isolate, Chip, Move a little closer, chip some more...and someday..well...
Chip chip chip then what?
Nobody in their right mind would attack either Russia or China.
The fact remains that many of those former Soviet States already know damn well what to expect from Mother Russia. Pop culture or not THEY KNOW. As far as the others, I've been against actions in Iraq, Libya and Syria. BUT, remember it isn't just the US. There are a few others G6 Yes, we get left holding the bag as always. Yes, We have our hands bloody. Russia is no angel and not a victim here. They play their game and made some good moves recently but have also lost, The West has played their moves and lost some and gained some. This isn't anything new to many of us who've lived through the old Cold War. I guess for some here it's all new and exciting.
It always has and will take two to tango.
edit on 24-3-2014 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)
I will never understand this....how is this even comprehensible? I do not agree with what Russia did....but what makes me feel for them is the fact
that if America did this exact same thing the UN, EU, and the world over apart from a few countries would praise them for it. (The leaders, not the
people of course).
This is just utter hypocrisy, why have sanctions not been filed against the U.S. for Iraq or Afghanistan???
This is just utter hypocrisy, why have sanctions not been filed against the U.S. for Iraq or Afghanistan???
Man, they don't fool around. It's the G7 now!
G7 warns Russia of more sanctions if Ukraine crisis escalates
G7 warns Russia of more sanctions if Ukraine crisis escalates
Here you go ats ...have a listen to someone who knows how it's going to go down www.youtube.com... now deal with it
...peace
In the end all this is sanction crap is a Waste of time. We all know that the next step is to build relations With Russia again. So why do we do all
this crap?
What a bunch of NOOBs we have as political leaders.
What a bunch of NOOBs we have as political leaders.
markosity1973
Ughh, when will the powers in the West just let it go.
This is getting beyond ridiculous and is absolute hypocrisy from the USA. Need I mention the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as many others that were started with the help of or directly by the USA that Russia vehemently opposed.....
There were very few sanctions and fallouts from Russian toward us over those moves. Russia has taken Crimea in an almost bloodless move and we are screaming bloody murder.
Dumbedit on 24-3-2014 by markosity1973 because: (no reason given)
Agreed, we have invaded so many places on made up charges and BS , have shed so much blood, our young soldiers and innocent people that live in the places we invaded and still occupy ,and has ANY of it made a difference? No. And why are we allowed to do so ? And Russia can take a place and not kill a bunch of people ( I believe one person got killed ) and Obama and his followers have a problem .
Maybe because Obama doesn't know how to do things like this without killing people and he is jelious .
The Op says,
" International law prohibits the acquisition of part or all of another state's territory through coercion or force," the statement said. "To do so violates the principles upon which the international system is built. We condemn the illegal referendum held in Crimea in violation of Ukraine's constitution. "
Gee.. someone should tell this to the USA. they are one of the worst offenders, have been for over 75 years. The hypocrisy is so thick I cannot understand why anyone would still trust these crooks.
" International law prohibits the acquisition of part or all of another state's territory through coercion or force," the statement said. "To do so violates the principles upon which the international system is built. We condemn the illegal referendum held in Crimea in violation of Ukraine's constitution. "
Gee.. someone should tell this to the USA. they are one of the worst offenders, have been for over 75 years. The hypocrisy is so thick I cannot understand why anyone would still trust these crooks.
reply to post by JohnPhoenix
well except the fact that we haven't done such a thing even once since that became international law, in all the wars in recent history tell me, what has been annexed by the west?
well except the fact that we haven't done such a thing even once since that became international law, in all the wars in recent history tell me, what has been annexed by the west?
edit on 24-3-2014 by namehere because: (no reason given)
spy66
In the end all this is sanction crap is a Waste of time. We all know that the next step is to build relations With Russia again. So why do we do all this crap?
What a bunch of NOOBs we have as political leaders.
edit on 3/24/2014 by ~Lucidity because: (no reason given)
reply to post by namehere
They are playing games and you're falling for it. They don't annex another country in said blatant manner, they go into the other countries in the guise of aid or military intervention (usually illegally) and then occupy a territory they maintain control of forever. We have bases in so many parts of the world we should not be in and we aren't leaving. We're the Bullies who seek to police the rest of the world. We get those footholds and stay to bully again another day - to maintain our illegal presence. We ARE Big Brother.
They are playing games and you're falling for it. They don't annex another country in said blatant manner, they go into the other countries in the guise of aid or military intervention (usually illegally) and then occupy a territory they maintain control of forever. We have bases in so many parts of the world we should not be in and we aren't leaving. We're the Bullies who seek to police the rest of the world. We get those footholds and stay to bully again another day - to maintain our illegal presence. We ARE Big Brother.
reply to post by SLAYER69
You're right in that this isn't new. It's been a bit of a shock to see come back so quickly and with so little transition, compared to a bit longer it took in going away from the 80's. I didn't expect to see "ally Russia" become "G-7 Outsider" with everything else that carries along with that observation in the last 30 days ...in this short a time.
I don't think it is quite the same though. The 80's and even the end, had it's own stability of sorts. Lines no one cared to cross, despite being physically able to. They played their games and we played ours, going back decades....but games they were and neither side expected resolution or to push it to resolution any time soon. Not outside of tragic accident or misunderstanding anyway.
Today, we just don't have the steely eyed and seasoned hands on at State, Defense or anywhere in the US Cabinet. We have politicos who were partying and partaking in..ahem...culture...in the 70's and 80's. Men who threw war medals into fountains ...and then, we find out, hadn't even tossed their own. (sigh) How can that play, sitting across the table from a man like Putin, who has lived the life of assuming personal responsibility for the State Security of Russia, in spirit if not physical action, since the mid 1970's?
Until fairly recently, our side usually had lifers with patriotic or nationalistic mindsets in the places they needed to be that way, to match every inch of Russian nationalism ..and so balance was found and kept. Pretty much..
Now it's like a Quiznos commercial with the nerd vs. the pack of elite ninjas. Errr.. 'Unfair Match-up!'. Only, we can't call a time-out for a replacement at this stage. Uh Oh.....is my feeling at the moment.
You're right in that this isn't new. It's been a bit of a shock to see come back so quickly and with so little transition, compared to a bit longer it took in going away from the 80's. I didn't expect to see "ally Russia" become "G-7 Outsider" with everything else that carries along with that observation in the last 30 days ...in this short a time.
I don't think it is quite the same though. The 80's and even the end, had it's own stability of sorts. Lines no one cared to cross, despite being physically able to. They played their games and we played ours, going back decades....but games they were and neither side expected resolution or to push it to resolution any time soon. Not outside of tragic accident or misunderstanding anyway.
Today, we just don't have the steely eyed and seasoned hands on at State, Defense or anywhere in the US Cabinet. We have politicos who were partying and partaking in..ahem...culture...in the 70's and 80's. Men who threw war medals into fountains ...and then, we find out, hadn't even tossed their own. (sigh) How can that play, sitting across the table from a man like Putin, who has lived the life of assuming personal responsibility for the State Security of Russia, in spirit if not physical action, since the mid 1970's?
Until fairly recently, our side usually had lifers with patriotic or nationalistic mindsets in the places they needed to be that way, to match every inch of Russian nationalism ..and so balance was found and kept. Pretty much..
Now it's like a Quiznos commercial with the nerd vs. the pack of elite ninjas. Errr.. 'Unfair Match-up!'. Only, we can't call a time-out for a replacement at this stage. Uh Oh.....is my feeling at the moment.