Police video of killing an illegal camper.

reply to post by Sremmos80

They were violent to this man which led to him defending him self. NOT the other way around...

So where in this video were the cops violent to this man?

In fact it is the other way around, because he did assault an officer first which was the police dog or are you looking at a different video?

reply to post by 727Sky


Interesting police operation...

The guy picks up his backpack, coming down obviously to surrender...The cops obviously had a plan and it seems that it did not include this guy surrendering...

As the 'bad' guy is walking down the hill, they set off a flash grenade to put him off guard while they release their vicious police dog to subdue the man...

Their dog wimps out and then they are yelling for the guy to get on the ground...

He's looking at the dog who gained a little courage and walks back up to him so the bad guy puts his knife out in front of him to protect himself from the sheep(ish) dog...

They then unloaded the lead on the man...

I know what my conclusion is but it would not be politically correct to say it...

reply to post by Auricom

With that being said, why in the h*** are there that many cops out there brandishing firearms for a guy camping?

The fact that he has a past of assaulting police would most likely be the reason.

reply to post by Iscool

The guy picks up his backpack, coming down obviously to surrender...The cops obviously had a plan and it seems that it did not include this guy surrendering...

And why didn't he come down in the prior three hours we don't see?

If these cops went there with the intention of killing this man why wait so long, and why have a camera that is recording this supposed murder?

reply to post by defcon5

2) The K-9 officer was a LOT closer then 20 feet away from him. The rule for police is the distance that a man can cross with a knife before an officer can draw his weapon and fire two shots is considered lethal range. I believe that distance is 20 feet. [/q]

 

That was only because the cop charged him after the grenade went off and he released his dog...

reply to post by 727Sky


Innocent until proven guilty. The dog that is.

Turn the dog loose after rendering a man temporarily deaf by a stun grenade.
I ask all you out there reading this. What are the chances a man will resist an attacking dog regardless of motive?

Using dogs in this and many other illegal ways is the lowest form of abuse of power. They are clever at game the rules.

Cowards. NM police are becoming known for this. Abusing power over outnumbered unarmed adversaries. I'd like to see the tables turned. Let's just say that. I presume these heroes don't drive home in an APC? I could be mistaken. They know what is happening. Probably all trained in sniping protesters from rooftops.

BTW, The K9 is never used for proper law enforcement. It's only used for protecting operatives. They have developed their little tricks to abuse people with them. They should be banned.

I lived in New Mexico for around 6 years and part of that was in Albuquerque. I can speak from experience that Albuquerque police have a long history of abuse and shoot first think later attitude. In fact when I was living there the police had killed so many people from January to like march that people protested and there was an article writen in the Alibi. I don't doubt one bit by the way I saw this go down that they hadn't a care about this man and at the very least wanted to hurt him. As was already said why throw a flash bang then release the dog. They could have just let the man come down.

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by Iscool

 

The guy picks up his backpack, coming down obviously to surrender...The cops obviously had a plan and it seems that it did not include this guy surrendering...

And why didn't he come down in the prior three hours we don't see?

If these cops went there with the intention of killing this man why wait so long, and why have a camera that is recording this supposed murder?

Don't know why the guy didn't come down...We didn't see the video...Perhaps he was afraid of getting shot...

I didn't say the police had a plan to murder him...I only said they had a plan...

And the plan was clear...The guy was putting on his back pack so it's clear he was surrendering...He certainly wouldn't have intentions of putting on a back pack and then getting into a fight...

Apparently the police weren't happy about his surrender so they carried out their plan of using the flash bang while releasing the dog to attack the guy while he was disoriented...And then go in for the dramatic arrest while the guy was incapacitated...

Their plan failed...The dog wimped out and while the man took up a defensive position against the dog, they killed him...

reply to post by Iscool


It's not that they weren't happy about his surrender it's that they wanted to make him pay for making them deal with him so long and all the way out there. That's how they operate...same as when I personally watched 8 cops beat a man for not following the tip of the officers pen. I still have no clue why they even bothered the man and let his 2 friends walk away but I straight up watched it go down and that's not the only time but the one I have the best memory of.

tsurfer2000h So where in this video were the cops violent to this man?

when they killed him?

reply to post by InverseLookingGlass

Turn the dog loose after rendering a man temporarily deaf by a stun grenade.
I ask all you out there reading this. What are the chances a man will resist an attacking dog regardless of motive?

You would think that wouldn't you...



Depends on your past as to whether or not someones going to fight a police dog.

And whether or not your going back to prison, freedom is a tough thing to give up.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


That is EXACTLY why you use a dog.

Yes the poor pup gets a bit of a beating but K9 attack dogs dont feel pain like us, they can turn it off and get the job done. That guy is a man beast the dog buys the seconds necessary to taze and subdue the man.

And i bet that dog got a huge steak dinner and a damned good belly rub after and would happily do the same thing next time.

Good work Dog, yo may have just saved a childs life.

reply to post by Biigs


Yes when used properly the suspect comes in alive…when used as in the OP video not so much. Let me guess they forgot all their less than lethal weapons back at the station but they sure remembered to bring a couple AR's. I like how the video Tsurfer posted shows that in a much worse higher stakes situation with a guy who looks to be 4 times bigger than the one in the OP they could still manage to take him down without killing him. If those officers where out there for 3 hours they had ample time to seek back up and methods to take him alive. Instead they took their anger out on this man because he wasted 3 of the officers hours. I say take em down to the south valley unarmed and tie em to a street lamp.

reply to post by Biigs

Yes the poor pup gets a bit of a beating but K9 attack dogs dont feel pain like us, they can turn it off and get the job done.

So you don't think dogs feel pain like us?

Here is a neat little exercise for you...

Go out kick someone in the stomach and see if they make a sound, now then kick a dog in the stomach and see if it makes a sound.

I don't condone violence toward the canine species, as I am just using it as an example that dogs do feel pain such as humans they just don't always show it how a human can.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


Well then your anger should be directed toward those putting the dog in that position and giving it the training to act in a manner that will get it hurt. I will tell you and anyone else one thing I don't care who owns the dog or what the situation is if I get attacked and am in fear for my well being I will do what I must to survive. I was born with the right to do so as were all the rest of us…regardless of it's recognition by the authorities or not.

reply to post by RickyD

I like how the video Tsurfer posted shows that in a much worse higher stakes situation with a guy who looks to be 4 times bigger than the one in the OP they could still manage to take him down without killing him.

In case you missed it there was an infant in the car which is why the didn't shoot at him, and also I don't recall the man in the video I posted telling the cops he would kill them at least not from what we see in the video.

Also remember the fact in the OP video he did try to fight with the police dog with knives in hand so that can be seen as a danger to the life of another officer which was the police dog, so with there training police officers are not going to let someone hurt or possibly kill one of their own.

Dogs have been hunting and protection tools for thousands of years, bred deliberately to do exactly what they do.

Yes they feel pain and i would never kick a dog in the guts to prove my point.

My point is simply that they are trained to attack and subdue criminals like that mentally and criminally disturbed man with the child, saving the child.

Like i said the dog was rewarded and happy out it, dont forget for a second that a dog in a pack is not a dangerous animal, they ARE killers.

jude11
There was no reason to shoot him whatsoever. Period.

Another example of police wanting to get a notch on their gun and a paid leave.

We are being corralled slowly but surely so be careful folks. Their time is coming to an end soon but watch your back until it happens.

Peace

Agreed, they could have killed him with a couple of bean bags.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


He had obviously given up those officers were not in harms way. They sent the dog in to f*%@ him up cause they were pissed about spending 3 hours up there. If I was in that mans shoes I'd have defended myself too. Sorry but if I am attacked I have the right to defend myself. Did he attack anyone? Although he had a knife were those officers actually in any danger? Was there a need to set a dog on them? I would say no to each of those.

reply to post by RickyD

I will tell you and anyone else one thing I don't care who owns the dog or what the situation is if I get attacked and am in fear for my well being I will do what I must to survive. I was born with the right to do so as were all the rest of us…regardless of it's recognition by the authorities or not.

Thank you for proving my point, as the other officers perceived this man as a threat to the police dog and did what they were trained to do. Protect the lives of fellow officers.

Yes you do have the right, but you have to remember that there are laws that go along with those freedoms and when one breaks them there are consequences. Now the way this incident ended could have been resolved long before this video, but the man decided that it was going to end with bad consequences once the knives were pulled, also telling them he would kill them doesn't help either.

Killing someone is the last thing a police officer wants to do. There is too much paperwork involved.