Why is Iran building giant mock-up of U.S. aircraft carrier?

Arbitrageur
The pic may or may not be a fake, but I'm not seeing a problem with the shadows. It's well known that some people don't know how to interpret shadows from all the shadow claims about moon landing hoaxes.

You solved it, NASA hoaxed this.

Arbitrageur

Bilk22
Here's another GE pic of the site. It looks nothing like that pic from the OP article.

Any idea when that pic was taken? If it's an older picture, it doesn't preclude the possibility that the site looks different today.

I see the "framework" for the fake boat right where its supposed to be just to the left of the yellow tack marker. Its not a carrier superstructure or hull form. Its a "scaffolding" of sorts to support a fake deck (like a table top).

This pic is older, is my guess.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


That's what I was asking. It doesn't make sense for anything. It's big...so taking money and effort to build. It's in a real dry dock, isn't it? So it's not a film set like a Hollywood sound stage. We may assume (but not confirmed) it's being made to float and perhaps even under some form of it's own power....tho I lean toward tugs like other stories are suggesting. A big barge...

So, again...why build it? Iran does odd things because they just flat don't think quite the same as we do. it's why I think we keep failing spectacularly over there. Cultural thinking...... They built their little Navy of "flying boats" and mini-subs which the West promptly laughed at. In Blue Water operating? They deserved ridicule and laughter, too. Pretty cute little Navy they made for a bunch of toys...huh?

Except..those weren't toys at all.....were they? Iran's battle plan will likely follow, if they somehow can, mining the crap out of that short and narrow waterway. Something as small as a Navy tug would have a free trip into orbit, in separate pieces. However...that cute little Navy of theirs, made largely of...(cough) wood and other non-magnetic things...will have loads of fun in a minefield they can transit, while no one else can.

They're odd sometimes, but not dumb. Clever...and deviously so, if history is a guide..and this is far from a peace time world where Iran would be making mock-ups for a movie, as one theory goes. So something is off in this whole thing. My opinion anyway.

intrptr
I see the "framework" for the fake boat right where its supposed to be just to the left of the yellow tack marker. Its not a carrier superstructure or hull form. Its a "scaffolding" of sorts to support a fake deck (like a table top).

This pic is older, is my guess.

OK you lost me. The title of the thread includes "mock-up" so it's stated from the beginning this isn't a real carrier. So of course the carrier is a fake, that's what the article says.

But I'm not seeing anything in the shadows that shows the photo is a fake. The photo could be a photoshopped fake for all I know, all I was saying is I didn't see any evidence of that in the shadows.

According to local Iran television streamed at ustream, was streamed along with pirated live streams of all sporting events on Justin.tv its a prop for upcoming movie


The Iranian film festival is soon

en.wikipedia.org...

They do make a lot of war films and have built US mockups in their end of world movie "the coming is near" about the coming of the 12th imam , judgment day, war of Armageddon. They built mockups of carrier/destroyer and replicated us uniforms.

Wrabbit2000
So, again...why build it? Iran does odd things because they just flat don't think quite the same as we do. it's why I think we keep failing spectacularly over there. Cultural thinking...... They built their little Navy of "flying boats" and mini-subs which the West promptly laughed at. In Blue Water operating? They deserved ridicule and laughter, too. Pretty cute little Navy they made for a bunch of toys...huh?

I personally think it is a propaganda set piece that they will tow out into the Gulf, fire a missile (or two) at and sink for their state run television stations. Their premise will be, 'Look, we have the technology to sink an American super-carrier.

Except..those weren't toys at all.....were they? Iran's battle plan will likely follow, if they somehow can, mining the crap out of that short and narrow waterway. Something as small as a Navy tug would have a free trip into orbit, in separate pieces. However...that cute little Navy of theirs, made largely of...(cough) wood and other non-magnetic things...will have loads of fun in a minefield they can transit...

Likely tactic on their part but we do not have to engage at any close distance by vessel; aircraft and missiles can certainly handle their littoral assets.

reply to post by Arbitrageur

It's well known that some people don't know how to interpret shadows from all the shadow claims about moon landing hoaxes.

[Some people?] I never made such a claim about the moon landing photos, did I? I know the difference between photos taken at ground level and from above.

I see the weight is against me though, on that. And the missing conning tower and lift elevators?

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


You may well be right I suppose, on the motive being pure national public relations and a show for world press. They have done some absurdly expensive things for that outcome before. This will take the cake and set some world record, I'd think, in sheer physical size of a prop for a photo OP, anyway. lol....

On the idea that 'we can easily handle their littoral assets'? I'll just say hubris and arrogance to extremes are what have been on the dying lips of most empires across history, and generally speaking? None of them ever believed the end could come at all, let alone how we know it did for any given example, until it was far beyond any point of recovery.

When the U.S. respected their enemies...and traveled like it? We didn't have to worry about getting mugged, so to speak. We still don't, for that matter. However, if war breaks out at THIS point? We're down to the core players on our planet now. The remnants of the historic Persian Empire and the same of the Russian Empire. Neither will, even as a joke, consider backing down or giving a centimeter....and our irresistible force has met it's immovable object. Iran isn't "all that" by itself ...but the "peek a boo" ally Russia has been in playing games about what they are or aren't giving Iran can be taken as on the table and open now, I'd say.

Iran is anything but..'just Iran'...as that added factor to the whole stew.

Arbitrageur

Bilk22
Here's another GE pic of the site. It looks nothing like that pic from the OP article.

Any idea when that pic was taken? If it's an older picture, it doesn't preclude the possibility that the site looks different today.

Yes the GE date is 8/16/2013. There are dated shots of the same location. The earliest date, which is 2002 is scrambled. Maybe this OP pic is from that date? This whole thing stinks. The author's name for the article is Laura Koran. LOL Not a coincidence I'm sure.

An Ark.

Looking at the earlier GE pics coupled with the latest pic, I'd say this is more of a scrap yard than a building yard. There are old bones being dismantled in the earlier pics. I've been in quite a few scrap yards and that has all the look of one and not of a building facility. The pick of the rusted carrier was probably there to be dismantled and was not being constructed.

Looking at the structures at the left of the carrier, they are also in a dry dock slip. ( I don't know the terminology) But they're being scrapped. So was that carrier or what ever it was.

Arbitrageur

intrptr
I see the "framework" for the fake boat right where its supposed to be just to the left of the yellow tack marker. Its not a carrier superstructure or hull form. Its a "scaffolding" of sorts to support a fake deck (like a table top).

This pic is older, is my guess.

OK you lost me. The title of the thread includes "mock-up" so it's stated from the beginning this isn't a real carrier. So of course the carrier is a fake, that's what the article says.

But I'm not seeing anything in the shadows that shows the photo is a fake. The photo could be a photoshopped fake for all I know, all I was saying is I didn't see any evidence of that in the shadows.

Some others were wondering if the ship was real, I was directing my comments at that. There are several conversations going on here and I obviously "missed the boat".

Thanks for remaining civil, I bow to the consensus…

Ummm, why would they not? Do you think the US doesnt have mockups Russian and Chinese ships? You think those countries dont have mockups of american ones?

You dont train a military to fight against your tech. You train them to fight against the tech of others.

Just took some dimensions off of GE. The length of that "carrier" in the OP article is approximately 650' A Nimitz class carrier is approximately 1100'. The beam in the OP pic would be approximately 135' at the widest it could be to fit into the dry dock. A Nimitz class carrier has a 252' beam. Come on this is bogus.

It was a movie set people my god you tinfoil hatters are fervent

James Cameron built mockup of Titanic, we built mockups of Russian ships in failsafe

Iran already confirmed it was a movie prop

Go watch the Iran apocalypse movie "the coming is near" and watch Armageddon destroy the world at war.
It has a destruction of us fleet , Israel, even their own country as world enters Armageddon and the coming of the 12th Imam.

Nobody ever googles
Google maps aren't recent and it was a movie set, just like when we make gigantic props like titanic/etc

jazz10
An Ark.

Yeah, they couldn't get blueprints of Noah's work, so they went for the second best, an American warship.

I hope they don't screw up the nuclear reactor part.

reply to post by Ivar_Karlsen


Ha ha yeah. But a carrier that size would surely house a few couples lol.

reply to post by Cito


It's important to note at this point, the OP story.

Amid ongoing high-level diplomatic talks between the United States and Iran, it's a symbol of underlying mistrust.

Commercial satellite images obtained by CNN reveal that Iran is constructing a large-scale replica of a U.S. military aircraft carrier, complete with fake U.S-style airplanes, near the southern port city of Bandar Abbas.

(Op Link)

Unlike many stories today, this isn't being hailed as something out of the ether for a source or something acquired from...who knows quite where?

CNN takes direct claim for being the contract source to have purchased the set over that dry dock for this photograph,

So if it's a hoax or old or something else other than it appears? I'd say there are some individuals in CNN's Atlanta HQ and a commercial satellite company which can form the core of a whole new thread (and really, good story) if there is any truth to it being illegitimate.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I'm not sold that it is faked, either. The arm on the third crane, the part you feel is pasted in, appears to be elevated and turned at an angle.

That, along with the free space (the area that is not casting a shadow) appears wider, making the shadow look different, or faked. I really don't think it is.