Texan Women To Busy For Equal Pay!

jimmyx

butcherguy
reply to post by BritofTexas

 

This seems a bit like a woman's right to choose.
What business does a man have telling this woman what to think about what she is paid?

geez...because it's Texas, that's why....the men of the red states will tell women how much they can make, when, or if, they can use birth control, and of course they will tell women thy cannot have an abortion....you women down there are second class citizens, no need to worry your pretty little empty heads about it. the men will tell you how to live.

Yes because only a woman should choose if the man has to spend the next 18 years of his life paying half his check every week for the child "she"wanted right?

If she has the right to choose, he should to.

It is after all his paycheck we are talking about.

Since 40 out of 50 states are pro women in these suits.

Which means they are anti men.

Yes your right, men should work 60 hours a week for 60 years and die broke and alone, because her rights were far more important than his.

Talk about equality......

Your comments are the epitome of stupid, just like most of the lefts.

Minorities matter more than anyone else's , because they deserve a "special" position in life, while screwing over the actual minority which is white males.

Which is the only class without equal rights in the system as of this date.

Single white woman, you get ALL these benefits plus half his check, and female funds for college etc....

White man, you pay half your check, is there a white college fund for you? No that is racisct, can you get government help? NO, they already took half your check before taxes, what more do you want you leach?

F this system. it is all EFFED the F up!!!

I have lived with my kids for 6 years, they wont stop charging me child support or their extra fees, and they will noy litsten to a single thing I say or proof I offer.

The system is made and intends to screw white fathers over.

They can EFF themselves with it then!!!!!!!!

Daughter2
There is a significant number of Texans who embrace discrimination and unfairness towards minorities.

It's a nasty and corrupt state, that on some levels even exceeds the corruption in Illinois.

I call BS on this. White people are a minority in a large portion of the state. In my town, we are 48% each white and hispanic, the rest is "everyone else". But there is specific history relating to our black population that causes it to be so low. Surrounding communities are more like an even split.

Regardless, short of the far eastern part of the state, you don't see a lot in the way of racism in Texas. Sure, individual knuckleheads....but not the broad and rampant racism you describe.

reply to post by oblvion

Only in the retarded views of the human mind, can the 2 genders not recognize that both genders are not now, and never will be equal on all fronts.

Equal on all fronts? Leaving aside the slight tossed out by using the word retarded, the issue here is not whether or not men and women are the same. The issue is unequal pay for equal work, not unequal work.

To re-iterate my previous statement, there are qualities and abilities that men and women share equally. These qualities that the marketplace demands are traditionally compensated unequally for no other reason than that women, under this classification as second class citizens are more exploitable.

reply to post by oblvion


Yes. Absolutely.

If women want men to be more than a sperm donor, than it has to cut both ways. If i am not a sperm donor, then I will get input on whether or not a child is carried to term. I am not the only one who can use contraceptivss to prevent pregnancy....both parties can prevent pregnancy.

if i am asked to pay for the raising of that child, I am obviously not a sperm donor.

So, unless men are nothing more than a sperm donor, we should get input into the abortion as well. Because I would be happy to raise my children alone if need be. Just carry them to term, and you can be on your way.

Daughter2

oblvion


We are not all born equal, we never were, we never will be.

The sooner these idiots figure this out, the better off they will be.

How sad for you to think this way. We might all be born different but that doesn't translate into unequal.

Is a disabled child LESS THAN a normal child.

Yes, physically men are generally stronger than women but most jobs today don't require physical strength. They require communication and interpersonal skills which in terms of brain development women are better at than men.

So why hasn't the wage gap been changed? Women should be making more than men.

It's because people like you take your *difference* and automatically interpret that difference as something that makes you superior.

If women are getting less pay, would it be profitable for companies to hire all female workers? i mean, same amount of work for less pay is great for employers.

The women are getting less pay does not compute.

i trust working among men in most workplaces, that is my experience.

reply to post by luciddream


i work better with women than men. In general. With men, there is an alpha power struggle that I am not fond of participating in. With women, they all have their various social maneuvering....but i stay out of it.

Is it a better work environment overall? I dunno....we will see. right now i am the only "decision maker" that is male. And I sit and work while each of them comes to whine about the other one. It isn't that bad, though. and they all work things out and get along quite well.

One thing i have learned; the team needs to have their focus and time occupied to maintain harmony. I would bet the same is true among a team of men, or an intermixed team (i have always been on evenly mixed management teams in the past).

reply to post by Daughter2

Is a disabled child LESS THAN a normal child.

Would you like a politically correct version or straight truth?*depending on the given situation*

Yes, physically men are generally stronger than women but most jobs today don't require physical strength.

lol... Physically demanding jobs DO EXIST, WOMEN AVOID IT. That doesn't mean they are not around anymore.

They require communication and interpersonal skills which in terms of brain development women are better at than men.

communication and interpersonal is not the only part of brain. But i see what you did there.

thisguyrighthere

TerryMcGuire

We don't see the unequal pay so much on the lower rungs of the economic scale. Minimum wage is minimum wage. Where the unequal pay still exists IS in the higher paying jobs such as engineering and business fields that you suggest women to seek.

How does that work? Is it like a secret how much your coworkers make?

Two Boeing aerospace engineers. Both been there 15 years. Both have the same title and status. But one makes 30% less because of a vagina?

There has to be more to it otherwise Boeing would just hire all female engineers and save a ton of money.

This Slate article seems to answer some of my questions:

The point here is not that there is no wage inequality. But by focusing our outrage into a tidy, misleading statistic we’ve missed the actual challenges. It would in fact be much simpler if the problem were rank sexism and all you had to do was enlighten the nation’s bosses or throw the Equal Pay Act at them. But the 91 percent statistic suggests a much more complicated set of problems. Is it that women are choosing lower-paying professions or that our country values women’s professions less? And why do women work fewer hours? Is this all discrimination or, as economist Claudia Goldin likes to say, also a result of “rational choices” women make about how they want to conduct their lives.

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Seems the "77 cents" talking point is bad science and when all things are factored including women choosing part-time work or taking decades off of work to raise their children are factored in the gap essentially disappears.

So it's all just more political BS used to sway voters. Figures.

edit on 18-3-2014 by thisguyrighthere because: (no reason given)

And that's the thing. All other things being equal: experience, training, education, time on the job, performance, there is no wage gap. A first year surgical resident makes exactly the same, regardless of gender. Same for legal associate, engineer, or hamburger flipper. There is no wage contract in the US that states women get less money for the same work. The reason why women make less on the average is because of external factors, such as taking time out of the workplace to have a child. Nothing wrong with that choice--in fact I think that one of the most important choices a person can make--but it is these choices, not some mythical patriarchal prejudice that accounts for the difference in the aggregate average.

When I take time out to take care of one of my kids, my pay drops because I am not at work. I don't mind that--I like my kids.

TerryMcGuire
reply to post by oblvion

 

Only in the retarded views of the human mind, can the 2 genders not recognize that both genders are not now, and never will be equal on all fronts.

Equal on all fronts? Leaving aside the slight tossed out by using the word retarded, the issue here is not whether or not men and women are the same. The issue is unequal pay for equal work, not unequal work.

To re-iterate my previous statement, there are qualities and abilities that men and women share equally. These qualities that the marketplace demands are traditionally compensated unequally for no other reason than that women, under this classification as second class citizens are more exploitable.

You are full of the #e.

I have worked in almost all sectors at one point in time. I am what is called a "jack of all trades a master of none".

I have yet to see a single women put in the same work in a day in the construction market or the military or the security or the freight, or the loading dock or the harbor, or the recycling business as a single man.

I have been in honestly 30 different fields, I move around a lot.

It is absolute BS to claim a woman can labor equal to man, in 9 out of 10 fields.

I have seen them try, they fail, and complain, all the while claiming " women cant do this as well as men".

Dont tell me we are equal.

I laid it out already.

We are not equal.

99% lack the ability.

Another 1/2 lack the will.

Women want equal pay for easy work. Not actual work.
Just say woman expect equal pay for lesser work and we will agree.

Because this is what it is actually all about.

White men must work 60+ hours a week to earn for their families, and honestly everyone else( white males exclusively) must work even harder than the highest productivity rate of all time, which is where we are honestly at for white males)) than any other group of people.

Look at the labor stats, White males are putting in their work, yet they are seeing sanctions against them in record breaking numbers, though their productivity id through the roof compaired to all other economic sectors.

Your points lack reason honestly.

Try goggle, it will help a lot!!!!

reply to post by oblvion


hey hey hey....I was being sarcastic...I don't believe in this crap

oblvion

Daughter2

oblvion


We are not all born equal, we never were, we never will be.

The sooner these idiots figure this out, the better off they will be.

How sad for you to think this way. We might all be born different but that doesn't translate into unequal.

Is a disabled child LESS THAN a normal child.

Yes, physically men are generally stronger than women but most jobs today don't require physical strength. They require communication and interpersonal skills which in terms of brain development women are better at than men.

So why hasn't the wage gap been changed? Women should be making more than men.

It's because people like you take your *difference* and automatically interpret that difference as something that makes you superior.

Funny how this new ATS works, it made is look as though I made this comment;

I didnt.

This poster is full of BS and gets fixed or I report this to the mods unless a clarification is submitted.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere

How does that work? Is it like a secret how much your coworkers make?

Yes it is. I don't know about you but for all my years of employment, we were always told by management to not discuss or compare our salaries. I have found this to be a generally true statement of business practice.

Two Boeing aerospace engineers. Both been there 15 years. Both have the same title and status. But one makes 30% less because of a vagina?

Not because of a vagina. Because of discriminatory mindsets

There has to be more to it otherwise Boeing would just hire all female engineers and save a ton of money.

Yes there is more to it. Not the vagina alone,but a history of the class structure in this country. Women, being relegated to staying at home, for real reasons of child bearing and such, as you point out. As part of this paradigm, women were also not so easily accepted into colleges for a long time where they could get the education to BE, an engineer, let alone find a position as such.

TerryMcGuire
Yes it is. I don't know about you but for all my years of employment, we were always told by management to not discuss or compare our salaries. I have found this to be a generally true statement of business practice.

I remember being told that too. It was a sure sign that something was up and the first thing any new hire did was start asking around about wages. I never knew anyone to actually not talk about their pay among coworkers.

Secrecy gets everyone screwed.

When I was 17 my boss told me of a sweet opening at a wage much higher than what I was getting but he said not to tell anyone else. First thing I did was ask the others who got the position with me. Sure enough I was getting screwed as well as the others under 18. By talking about it we got our money and that manager got fired.

bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by luciddream

 

i work better with women than men. In general. With men, there is an alpha power struggle that I am not fond of participating in. With women, they all have their various social maneuvering....but i stay out of it.

Is it a better work environment overall? I dunno....we will see. right now i am the only "decision maker" that is male. And I sit and work while each of them comes to whine about the other one. It isn't that bad, though. and they all work things out and get along quite well.

One thing i have learned; the team needs to have their focus and time occupied to maintain harmony. I would bet the same is true among a team of men, or an intermixed team (i have always been on evenly mixed management teams in the past).

When i worked with a group of females, it was uneasy to work with, its like you have to be careful of what you say, or the supervisor will hear about it, even if its not directed at them. And the drama, not toward men, but toward other females.

I never ever worked with men who behave like that in workplace, they mind their business and go home, heck, might even be good friends if they have similar interests.

One thing i can say for sure is, i have never met or seen any male workers that ran to the supervisor for minor things and make you look bad.

Like you said..

...each of them comes to whine about the other one...

The truth is that women work every bit as hard as men. They deserve equal pay. If there is a situation where a woman can't do the job, she can't lift as heavy as a load or something of that nature then, that's a different issue. But that would be the same thing as small man not being able to do the same job as a larger man.

I laugh when I see the comments of the men on this thread whining about women. LOL The last couple of jobs that I've had in offices working with women...I have to say that the women, did work harder than the men. I also didn't see any of the women, really causing any more drama. Not enough to effect our work.

This is just men complaining because they have a biblical sense that Women should serve men. Shame on you guys. Let's grow up, get in the present and deny ignorance.

oblvion

TerryMcGuire
reply to post by oblvion

 

Only in the retarded views of the human mind, can the 2 genders not recognize that both genders are not now, and never will be equal on all fronts.

Equal on all fronts? Leaving aside the slight tossed out by using the word retarded, the issue here is not whether or not men and women are the same. The issue is unequal pay for equal work, not unequal work.

To re-iterate my previous statement, there are qualities and abilities that men and women share equally. These qualities that the marketplace demands are traditionally compensated unequally for no other reason than that women, under this classification as second class citizens are more exploitable.

You are full of the #e.

I have worked in almost all sectors at one point in time. I am what is called a "jack of all trades a master of none".

I have yet to see a single women put in the same work in a day in the construction market or the military or the security or the freight, or the loading dock or the harbor, or the recycling business as a single man.

I have been in honestly 30 different fields, I move around a lot.

It is absolute BS to claim a woman can labor equal to man, in 9 out of 10 fields.

I have seen them try, they fail, and complain, all the while claiming " women cant do this as well as men".

Dont tell me we are equal.

I laid it out already.

We are not equal.

99% lack the ability.

Another 1/2 lack the will.

Women want equal pay for easy work. Not actual work.
Just say woman expect equal pay for lesser work and we will agree.

Because this is what it is actually all about.

White men must work 60+ hours a week to earn for their families, and honestly everyone else( white males exclusively) must work even harder than the highest productivity rate of all time, which is where we are honestly at for white males)) than any other group of people.

Look at the labor stats, White males are putting in their work, yet they are seeing sanctions against them in record breaking numbers, though their productivity id through the roof compaired to all other economic sectors.

Your points lack reason honestly.

Try goggle, it will help a lot!!!!

You say I am full of #e. Again you slight me.

Dont tell me we are equal.

Once again I did not. The issue is not the equality of the sexes, it is the unequal compensation for equal work.

Women want equal pay for easy work. Not actual work.
Just say woman expect equal pay for lesser work and we will agree.

Agree to a generalized statement based on a stereotypical observation about half of the world population???

This will not be agreement. It will be me agreeing with you, not you agreeing with me. Nice.

reply to post by amazing


This is about equal pay for equal work and not everybody works in an office.

Even smaller men carry their weight when working in the labor field better then the woman, there is a reason our bodies are built different then a women's body and you think its fair they get paid the same even if they can't keep up with the deadlines?

There are laws that protect women from getting unequal pay. There have been for decades.

Salon pens these articles (probably on the direction of the White House) to distract from Obamacare, Benghazi, high unemployment, Ukraine.

*Now go make me a sammich!*

thesaneone
reply to post by amazing

 

This is about equal pay for equal work and not everybody works in an office.

Even smaller men carry their weight when working in the labor field better then the woman, there is a reason our bodies are built different then a women's body and you think its fair they get paid the same even if they can't keep up with the deadlines?

Nope...it's equal pay for equal work. Period. If it's a tough job like some construction jobs, or freight warehouse, or logger or oil rig worker or fireman...but again that's just a small percentage of jobs. Women are equal to men in all other jobs for example-police officers-auto mechanics-truck drivers-heavy machine operators-electricians-plumbers-martial arts instructors-security guards-HVAC Mechanics-Diesel Mechanics-Lawyers-Teachers-Managers-Pilots-Trainers-Hunters-...You name it and women are every bit as equal as men.