Interstellar travel impossible, therefore...

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when you say it is impossible I presume you are talking about the light barrier? During the spiritualist activities in the late 19th century practitioners apparently made objects materialise out of thin air. If any of these stories are true it appears that there are some exotic ways to get a physical object from one place to another. We just don't know. there may be a way to get around the light barrier that is as yet unknown to science. The ET evidence suggests there is.

Another possibility other than warps and worm holes is mirror sector travel. the theory goes back some time and may be the origin of science fiction's hyperspace or subspace concepts. but recently it has been evoked to explain a problem particle physicists have found with neutrons. neutrons that are unbound in a nucleus are unstable. they have a half life of about 11 minutes before they decay. but the scientists found that neutrons were disappearing before they should and without the appearance of daughter particles. so they worked out that the best way to explain it was that the neutron was shifting into a mirror sector of space time. they worked out exactly how this could occur naturally and determined that it was possible.

the upshot is normal matter may shift from our space into the mirror space and matter in the mirror space may shift into our space. they reasoned that this can occur if there is a .1 gauss mirror magnetic field which could easily happen if mirror matter had accumulated on earth even a little. so if this mirror sector exists then why not other hidden sectors of space time with different physical laws and limits? what if phase space isn't just a handy mathematical construct used to solve certain equations but represents a real domain of space?

phys.org...

nextbigfuture.com...

reply to post by eezveeneetee


I have always laughed at the ones who make the bold statement that interstellar travel is impossible, simply because thousands of credible witnesses see the same things. But also, in seeing them, it does not insinuate just by their presence. that they have to be interstellar to begin with. They could have had bases in this solar system for centuries.

Another reason to laugh at those who say this between star travel isn't possible, is that these people aren't the ones doing it, but feel superior enough to speak on their behalf.

Another reason would be that we don't yet publicly have the capability for between star travel, so no one else could either. Human arrogance is always funny though.

To my thinking, interstellar travel is not difficult if you know how to do it. Their ships don't use obsolete rocket engines and fuel like ours do. A person thinking about this even for one minute should be able to comprehend this, but it is obvious that many just can't... First get a real education in space science and then impossibilities start to become possible when you begin to see how it works, on even a basic level.

I understood these things at nine years old and thought it was pretty funny to see people put up their own walls that seemed to be saying: "If we can't do it, no one can"

A lot of scientists now do comprehend these things a lot better, but there are still a lot of stragglers trying to catch up, but will they ever?

The big statement that the OP makes is the same as the statement made after bluebook was shutdown to quiet down all the fervor and anxiety that they were here at all. It is the most effective line of tripe the dis-info specialists of the Air Force OSI came up with at that time.
It is easy to believe because of human arrogance, since we can't do it, it makes people feel better if no one else can do it either.

So what makes you so sure that interstellar travel is impossible ? It's not possible for us but you have no more knowledge about what another race could do than anyone else. It's that simple really.
Just because you proclaim something doesn't make it true.
No I'm not saying that ET visits I don't know that. I also don't know that they don't. You should refrain from making blanket statements like that . But I have a feeling you did it to be inflammatory.

reply to post by eezveeneetee

For us, with our current knowledge of physics yes. However, since "the book of physics" is not yet complete and there is a substantial amount of the universe we know nothing about (e.g. dark matter, gravity) then it is entirely possible that there is a way of travelling between two points at a speed that is nominally faster than light.

You cannot claim interstellar travel is impossible until the book of physics is complete.

Needless to say I am ignoring sub-light space travel which is totally impractical for anything beyond our solar system.

you solved the puzzle! are you a wizard??

reply to post by eezveeneetee


Imagine 300 years ago telling a citizen of planet Earth that one day we would be able to heat food to incredible temperatures within seconds using something called a "microwave oven"

First you would have to try and explain what a microwave is and how it works, then what components are used to build the microwave oven, and finally and most importantly what electricity is!

I'll bet you those earthlings living 300 years ago would have told you it was impossible!


I don't think it takes a great leap of faith, presuming you are prepared to consider that there is a good chance intelligent life exists out there in the cosmos, that some of those civilizations may have been around significantly longer than us......and just may have discovered a few things we haven't even dreamt of yet.

I would reckon that we only understand some of what we think we know on our own planet, and assume that we know everything that "should be" in the rest of the universe. This is wrong. I think that there are things in space that we cannot even imagine, things that would defy everything we thought we knew. I think it would be very arrogant, or ignorant, to think that 'our model' applies to everywhere else in the universe.

There's no way to legitimately explain some of the UFO's that have been seen by people who are experts in aviation. Where are they coming from?? What propulsion are they using? I'd be willing to bet that we don't even have the stuff needed here on earth to replicate their propulsion systems, let alone, trying to be on their level of brain power, -assuming they have a brain. Maybe they have something else?

Using Stars as gates always seems to work. Besides all stars are quantumly connected right?

stormbringer1701
I'll put it another way: Voyager has been sailing for 36 years. if Voyager were heading to alpha proxima and was travelling at ten percent C it would be about 7 years out from that star.

If we have a ship travelling a 10% C or about 108 Million km/h a marble would be catastrophic if the ship ran into it.

Voyager is apparently going at 62,000 km/h at the moment so by my basic calculations we would need to multiply the speed of Voyager by 1,740 to make it 10% C. It's actually quite similar ratios from a horse to Voyager as it is Voyager to 10% C. But when each pebble you fly into hits with a force of nuclear weapons it does bring a few problems.

Bending Spacetime seems to be the only practical solution, and by practical I mean could possibly need more energy than exists in the universe and could destroy wherever you are travelling.

With our current understanding it is a fair assumption to say that FTL travel by propulsion is impossible.

If you could manage to bend space or create wormholes there are still problems...

FTL travel means going to places that have already ceased to exist that you were unaware of when you left.
How do you decide in an essentially infinite universe where to go?
Do you just go everywhere and check all 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars?
How many ships/crew do you send?
Who funds these missions?
How do you navigate?

You check a billion stars a year for a billion years and you cover 1 millionth of the stars.

I can't claim to know alien technology or motivations, but FTL travel if possible doesn't guarantee anything either way.

reply to post by eezveeneetee


The OP hasn't been back folks, looks like a "gove-troll-psy-op" to me!

So eezveeneetee, if indeed that is your real name, are your "checks from the government direct-deposited" huh?

Superluminal light pulse propagation and photon teleportation used to be impossible.

alienreality
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... Human arrogance is always funny though.

To my thinking, interstellar travel is not difficult if you know how to do it. Their ships don't use obsolete rocket engines and fuel like ours do. A person thinking about this even for one minute should be able to comprehend this, but it is obvious that many just can't... First get a real education in space science and then impossibilities start to become possible when you begin to see how it works, on even a basic level.

I understood these things at nine years old.....

Yep, Human arrogance is always funny.

I think that's why in all likelihood that if we (or any other intelligent organic species) ever got the notion to go exploring around in the universe for whatever crazy reason, the really only practical way to do it is to create intelligent Von Neumann machines. Smarter than us. Send them out randomly into the cosmos. If it takes 10,000 years to reach the next useful planet, then it just shuts itself off and waits to get there.

Otherwise, the problem is us. We're just not cut out for space travel. We need a nice, cozy planet to live on. Of course, the planet itself is zooming along through the galaxy at a pretty good clip. The Earth is a multi-generational spaceship. Maybe the trick would be to find out exactly who sent us on our little journey, and where we're heading.

Krahzeef_Ukhar

With our current understanding it is a fair assumption to say that FTL travel by propulsion is impossible.

With our current understanding.

How do you decide in an essentially infinite universe where to go?

Roll a dice.

Do you just go everywhere and check all 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars?

Whatever tickles your fancy.

How many ships/crew do you send?

Eh six!

Who funds these missions?

Aliens don't use money.

How do you navigate?

Map.

You check a billion stars a year for a billion years and you cover 1 millionth of the stars.

Well at least you tried.

I can't claim to know alien technology or motivations, but FTL travel if possible doesn't guarantee anything either way.

It guarantees that you can travel faster than the speed of light!

Oannes
Using Stars as gates always seems to work. Besides all stars are quantumly connected right?

It does seem this way. Each star has a "black hole" for the nucleus and these holes are all connected to each other. If I was going to send signals into space I would just fire it at the sun and hope for the best lol.

UltraverseMaximus

Oannes
Using Stars as gates always seems to work. Besides all stars are quantumly connected right?

It does seem this way. Each star has a "black hole" for the nucleus and these holes are all connected to each other. If I was going to send signals into space I would just fire it at the sun and hope for the best lol.

See me after class.

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Aliens may not use money however they still need to acquire the energy. That is a cost which needs to be essentially paid.

A map is useless in the case of FTL travel as it will be horribly outdated by the time you get there.

eezveeneetee
The subject line states my premise. SINCE interstellar travel is impossible, the so-called ET theory is invalid. And your promotion of the ET theory has been central to the UFO "phenomenon" for decades now. You have been foundational in promulgating an entire culture of UFO hysterics. Therefore, you are either sincerely misled, delusional, or an operative in the largest, and most successful PSY-OP in history. You don't strike me as deluding yourself, or mentally imbalanced. So I'll ask, or rather suggest a possible explanation of who Stanton Friedman is, in part. Are you, or have you been, an employee or a contractor of a U.S. government intelligence agency?
It makes a whole lot of sense that you are very possibly a big player in perpetuating a very useful hoax that the government can benefit from: a sensational idea that the wishful would follow like lemmings, and serve to distract the public from various programs they prefer to be hidden. Assuming my theory is correct, the UFO disinformation program has been enormously successful. ET's arriving to our solar locale is an impossible feat. So, Dr. Friedman...are your checks from the government direct-deposited?

If man was meant to fly he would have wings. Case closed!

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True, the monetary system is a human concept. Who knows how ET conducts his affairs, look at a termite mound.

Whether where you want to go will be the same when you arrive there depends on how far you want to travel. It will take you 4.24 years traveling at the speed of light to reach Proxima Centauri, I wouldn't say it would be much different when you arrived.

A map is a map, as tech advances so do mapping systems, who knows how advanced ET's maps are.