Does conservatism survive the death of religion?

ArtemisE
By 2050 everyone over say 45 will pretty much have died off. Like previous people have mentioned. The major majority of atheists/ agnostics are the youth and I promis you the actual % of late teen early 20s people who have gone against the organized religions has got to be 30 or 40%. So any future math has to figure that into the equation.

PewResearch Survey

According to this study, about 30% among Millennials, but much less among Generation X and earlier.

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My bad.

Oh goody...

More supposition, assumption, speculation, generalization, pigeon-holing, divisive labelling, and overly-simplex categorization of a dynamically chaotic, complex, and multi-synaptic biological organism.

That quote I posted was made in a speech given by Barry Goldwater to the US Senate in 1981. 3 decades ago there was a battle for moral control of the GOP. True conservatives lost that battle. A lot of people like to blame Reagan , but if you examine his actions he really didn't pander to those people. He did nothing to discourage them, and some of his viewpoints did line up with theirs, but he wasn't cheering them on. No, I think that the unfortunate slide of the term conservative from describing principled men supporting limited government to cartoonish bible thumpers with a disdain for science and rational thought can be traced to a more deserving scapegoat...the media. Since the start of that movement, spearheaded by Jerry Failwell and the Moral Majority, the media has paid great attention to it all, perhaps even TOO much attention. But why? Well, that's almost a conspiracy in itself I believe.

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Are you trying to equate human society to a brain? That's another thread. Thanks for almost killing this one.

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Booya!!!! Who has no life!lmao
Can't believe I nailed that!!

ArtemisE
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Booya!!!! Who has no life!lmao
Can't believe I nailed that!!

You're going to have to make your point with more clarity, as I am not fluent in textspeak, trash talk, or any of those psuedo-languages. I am pretty good with English though

I am a conservative agnostic, so I would say yeah.

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I guessed your quote!

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There ya go. I just wasn't sure what booya or the rest actually meant.

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Can modern liberals survive the death of stupidity?

It depends on what we mean when we say "conservatism". Religious conservatives tend to be very sympathetic to socialistic solutions so I would imagine there would be a decrease in pro statist attitudes in the event of a dramatic reduction in religious people who participate in politics. If those same religious refugees opt to question their entire world view, they may very well become "conservatives".

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Good one.....lmao . Can't be intellegent and debate a topic huh?

ArtemisE
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Good one.....lmao . Can't be intellegent and debate a topic huh?

Had to be said, that is the intent of the headline to attract attention isn't it?

A new poll shows that only 43% of republicans believe in evolution. Makes sense, considering the party hasn't evolved in 50 years.

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That's the intent of all headlines... To attract attention...i

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The world's on fire and you believe in evolution? I'm gonna be different and believe in devolution.

rupertg
A new poll shows that only 43% of republicans believe in evolution. Makes sense, considering the party hasn't evolved in 50 years.

While it is true that lower numbers of Republicans and conservatives believe in evolution. There is a difference between belief in a concept and knowledge of it, just ask an atheist debating religion.

Here's a l ink to an article that shows the dramatic difference in the numbers when the question on evolution was altered to test knowledge of the concept as opposed belief in it.

In 2012 the NSF did a fascinating little experiment. On both evolution and the origins of the universe in a Big Bang, the NSF study used a split ballot. On evolution, a random half was asked the standard evolution question quoted above and the other half was asked a different question probing not belief but knowledge.

The alternative evolution question asked whether it was true or false that:

According to the theory of evolution, human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals. [EVOLVED1; emphasis added]

Because a rejection of evolution is mostly a belief, but is typically analyzed as a scientific knowledge question, the second version was designed instead to test the respondent’s knowledge of the theory of evolution. The results were quite different.

Overall, 71 percent of people agree that the theory of evolution involves humans evolving from earlier species, compared to only 48 percent believing in it. For Republicans the reversal is dramatic: on evolution only 32 percent of Republicans are believers, well below Independents (53 percent) and Democrats (53 percent). But in understanding the gist of evolution, Republicans (76 percent) are insignificantly ahead of Independents (71 percent) and slightly, but significantly ahead of Democrats (68 percent).

What this NSF experiment suggests to me (though other interpretations are possible) is that some standard scientific knowledge questions do not actually measure what one knows, but rather what one chooses to endorse. For this reason, in its report the NSF did not include the evolution and Big Bang questions in its index of scientific knowledge.

Or another way to put this, is what they taught us on the first day of Media Stats class - If you know how to write the question (among other things), you can pretty much make a number to say whatever you want it to.

Religion could cease to exist in any form today and the "conservative" movement would continue on as strong as ever. IMO, the movement's strength is not derived from religion, its derived from fear.

If the day comes when people stop being afraid of the things which the movement has fed off of for the past ~15 years, by then the marketing arm of the Republican party will have stoked new fears for the cowardly to latch onto and identify those fears with Conservatism (against all logic for those of us who remember what "Conservative" it's supposed to mean.)

"Does conservatism survive the death of religion?"

Perhaps the *Real* question is:

"Does religion survive the ultra-Liberal onslaught?"

There's just as many religious Liberals as Conservatives.

It's the ultra fanatical ultra Left Wing groups that are downplaying religion.


Religious Liberals Gain New Visibility


Religious liberalism

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Actually the decline in religion IMHO is due to science disproving the literal truth of the religious texts. That's why u went agnostic. Then atheist.... I think that's the reason most have turned away from the faiths.