Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

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(things not likely to be on a civilian air liner but who knows these days)
radar jammers and spoofers,stealth tech(composites etc) power failure to the radar array,clouds of chaff

(things possible for the commercial plane to have Possibly used) getting behind mountains(blocks signal) or below radar and i guess a solar flare but not to likely

en.wikipedia.org... thats probably a better list but i dont think the plane its self was jamming etc or anything like that just hope they find the plane so the families can have closure

Bilk22

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Zaphod58
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So they had enough fuel to fly around Vietnam, dodging the Philippines, the ships that are patrolling the Spratly Islands, and up into China, with no one noticing them, even though they had planned to fly directly over Vietnam. It's not exactly like that added an extra hundred miles to the route. Fuel would have been a concern.

I guess I'll have to do the work of obtaining the distances. However it's clear you have not looked at a map as to where Beijing is in relation to the reported landing site. I'll see what I come up with

I'll also add, there's no reason to believe that if the scenario is as I suggested, they still could have taken the route over Vietnam escorted by Chinese military if the Vietnamese allowed that to happen. Just saying.

In order to do that you will need to know exactly where all radar sources were at the time the plane disappeared. That would include any military planes and ships that could have possibly detected the plane. This information would have been needed in order for anyone on board the plane to formulate a flight plan that would be undetected. You can not just subtract the distance of the supposed landing site (according to you) from the distance to Beijing. You will have to find a route that is undetected by radar, not necessarily a straight line route. I suspect this is what Zaphod has been trying to tell you.

You have to realize, no one was looking for the flight at the time so why would they have to circumvent any radar in international airspace? I drew a path that is clearly in international waters. The distance to the landing site is shorter than the trip to Beijing. Fuel wouldn't be an issue.

International waters? So what. International waters does not mean undetected by radar. I trust you verified that path made it impossible to detect by radar? I've seen you push this 'theory' throughout this thread. You've said things like "this is the best explanation" blah blah blah. No, this is your pet 'theory' that YOU insist on repeating although several people have pointed out the obvious flaws. Is this a mystery? Yes it is. Am I curious as to what happened? Yes, I am. Please understand I can do the 'conspiracy theory' dance with the best of them but, I prefer to stay in the realm of the plausible.

Starsandstripes
Its very odd... I hope this does not turn into some thing we never find the truth about.

We will never find out the truth unless you got the means to look in the space between spaces

Update

Beijing-bound flight MH370 vanished on Saturday shortly after it left Kuala Lumpur. There were 239 people on board.

Source BBC News

Beijing-bound flight MH370 vanished on Saturday shortly after it left Kuala Lumpur. There were 239 people on board.

In a statement, Malaysia Airlines said: "The search and rescue teams have expanded the scope beyond the flight path."

The focus was now on the west peninsula of Malaysia at the Straits of Malacca, the airline said.

"The authorities are looking at a possibility of an attempt made by MH370 to turn back to Subang... Apart from the search in the sea, search on land in between these areas is also conducted."

On twitter there are photographs circulating of one of the passport guys, im not going to pots it here but if you want to look at it before its taken down go to twitter and search Laura Rozen she is a journalist from Washington and has posted the picture.

A perspective of what has happened from a pilot:

As a pilot, I *think* we can discard a couple of theories suggested recently:

Source PPRUNE

From the latest news conference:

He said they had been actively exchanging information with agencies around the world. All video footage is being reviewed and all “brother officers” from other organisations are being consulted on the background of the passengers.

“We have identified an Iranian by the name of Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad. He is 19 years old and he is an Iranian, we believe that he is an Iranian.”

Source

we have been checking his background. He have also checked him with other police organisation on his profile and we believe that he is not likely to be a member of any terrorist group”

Adding to the mystery and inaccurate information:

The police chief has also contradicted the earlier statement made by Malaysia’s aviation chief on Monday that five people did not board the plane. In no uncertain terms he said:

There is no such thing as five person who did not board the plane. There is no such thing

civpop
On twitter there are photographs circulating of one of the passport guys, im not going to pots it here but if you want to look at it before its taken down go to twitter and search Laura Rozen she is a journalist from Washington and has posted the picture.

I came across that picture on Twitter a couple hours ago, but like you, didn't care to post it here.

Also, why are they now saying this about the five people who didn't board the plane:

“There is no such thing as five person who did not board the plane. There is no such thing.”

www.theguardian.com...

They seriously can't get their ish together. They talked about that often yesterday and even about them having Asian features. Now both of those are said to be untrue.

I could understand if they said that those passengers just never showed up, since I know one man in Houston abandoned the trip all together, so it IS true that some passengers didn't board the plane who had tickets. It's starting to really reek of something else going on and I can definitely see why the families are so upset.

They are also apparently trying to contact the mother of Mehrdad (one of the Iranians who was going to Frankfurt).

“There is no such thing as five person who did not board the plane. There is no such thing.”

BS, I've been on many flights where they reel off names of people who they are waiting for because '' the flight has boarded and is waiting for departure ''

5 people missing a flight isn't a big deal, especially in a south east Asian community.

Imagine.. if this whole charade was just a plan put in motion to make the world focus its attention away from the Ukraine?

I mean, everyone (conspiracy types) who were focusing on Ukraine are now pretty fixated on a plane.

Why is it so hard to specify a search area? shouldn't we be moving in on a beacons signal?

Agit8dChop

“There is no such thing as five person who did not board the plane. There is no such thing.”

BS, I've been on many flights where they reel off names of people who they are waiting for because '' the flight has boarded and is waiting for departure ''

5 people missing a flight isn't a big deal, especially in a south east Asian community.

Which makes you wonder why they are trying to backtrack now. Seriously, this is highly questionable.

It's also odd that this is a scenario:

Four scenarios were being considered, including hijacking, sabotage, psychological problems with crew and passengers and personal problems among crew and passengers.

www.abc.net.au...
Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: China deploys 10 satellites to help air-and-sea search

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I know i didnt want to post it but posted the details for those who may have wanted to take a look.

I really dont understand the sudden back track of the 5 people who checked in, checked their luggae in but didnt board the flight, thus meaning their luggage was removed, which is what the Malaysians officially said, it makes no sense.


Update below on summary of the news conference:

•Malaysian police chief revealed the identity of one of the passengers on board the plane as a 19 year old Iranian man and said it was “not likely” they were involved with a terrorist organisation. The investigation into the second person was ongoing.

•Four scenarios were being considered, including hijacking, sabotage, psychological problems with crew and passengers and personal problems among crew and passengers.

Interesting no mention of mechanical / technical fault / failure?

•The missing plane may have tried to head to another airport, according to an announcement from Malaysia airlines on Tuesday. The search area has again been expanded as it entered a fourth day.

I dont understand, still, if this was the case, why they have no radar or any sightings of it, if this was the case, or why the pilots / crew didnt report this? Unless a comms failure, but im not an expert so have no idea if that could even happen!

•There has been no confirmation of any findings of debris. Earlier reports from Vietnamese authorities of debris were not substantiated

So basically the reports from Cathay Pacific (large debris spotted) were not confirmed.

•The United Nations Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organisation has asked nuclear experts to check for any evidence of an explosion in relation to the missing plane.

Would something similar not have already been done? Again no expert but would their not be some sort of protocol that is followed in Crisis / emergency situation, like a step by step guide on what to check and who to ask for help i.e. dispatch search and rescue, contact experts who can check for any abnormalities in air space like explosions, check sea vibrations - i really dont know and probably not explained what i mean very well but something along those lines.

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I keep thinking they maybe meant five people just didn't show, but if so I believe they may have clarified that. Of course, they might not have clarified simply because it wasn't a part of their thought process. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt that that's what they meant (just they never showed and the luggage part was repeating their policy for if a passenger shows but doesn't board).

One thing is for certain, they aren't handling this thing that well.

And as for the part about the nuclear blast thing, I also would have thought it would already be checked. Actually, I would think something would show up to notify people that something out of the ordinary happened.

Here is the updated Guardian live update link:
www.theguardian.com...

The search area has been refocussed on the Malacca Straits, west of Malaysia, based on the theory that the plane may have headed to another airport shortly after take off. Malaysia Airlines said nine aircraft and 24 boats are involved in the search.

One of the men travelling on a stolen passport has been identified as a 19-year-old Iranian migrant. The Malaysian authorities said that Pouria Nour Mohammad
Mehrdad was trying to migrate to Germany and is not thought to be a terrorist.

...

Malaysian police chief Khalid Tan Sri told reporters the 19-year-old Iranian man was believed to be planning to enter Germany to seek asylum. He said the man was not believed to be a member of a terrorist group.

He said the young man’s mother was waiting for him in Frankfurt and had been in contact with the police. He said she contacted Malaysian authorities to inform them of her concern when her son didn’t get in touch with her.

Looking at the facts contained in the article from the below link this is one hell of a mysterious disappearance.. either it was totally obliterated by some super secret military weapon or has simply vanished due to some unknown way or a non terrestrial intelligence has been involved.... Of course time is of the essence and until any kind of debris is found these six primary facts need to be included in any theory of what has happened to this plane... Black boxes are designed to be detected, bomb proof ect.. this is the primary concern and the major headache for investigators be they civilian or military.. simply put WHY no signals , why no detection of the black box.. this is the massive red flag..

Six important facts you’re not being told about lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

www.naturalnews.com...

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Yes the blast thing is bothering me slightly, plus, from what i gather there were other planes in the vicinity, if there was a blast of some description it would have shown on someones radar? or been seen by another plane ?

Weird

The Malaysian authorities have released CCTV images of the two men travelling on stolen European passports. Neither of them looks anything like the Italian footballer Mario Balotelli, as Malaysia’s civil Asian chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said on Monday.

Images available here : Source

Mystery deepens! Images of the two people who boarded with the stolen passports shows that neither looks like Mario Balotelli (black).



They definitely are two from the picture alleging is them (which does have a black person in it that could be compared to Balotelli).

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Also, I would think military radar should show the airplane even without the transponders active.

The first thing my older brother thought when he heard the story was the Bermuda Triangle. If everyone is truthful about it not appearing on any radar, or there being any noticeable blast, then it truly looks like something from out of this world.

I also think I'm going to let you go on with the updates, lol. Every time I'm done posting I see you've already beaten me to it.