Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

xavi1000
Since the phone can ring, telecommunication company can trace it, or NSA (lol).If this news about the phone is true then phone is on the land now, and the searching can be directed on land.

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Well this would certainly make things much more interesting...

reply to post by Cosmocow


There's not really a difference though. The commercial recorders work just fine, and with a few exceptions there haven't been any problems with them.

Zaphod58
reply to post by SBMcG

 

That has nothing to do with a nuke. They're asking them to look for a high altitude explosion, not a nuclear blast.

Zerbo said infrasound would be the best technology to check for an explosion on the missing plane if there was a monitoring station nearby, "or the explosion is at a level or at an amplitude that it could be detected."

"There's a possibility, it's not absolute, that the technology like the Infrazone could be able to detect" an explosion, he said in response to a question.

hosted.ap.org...

Lassina Zerbo, executive director of the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization told a news conference that the CTBTO uses "infrasound" - or infrasonic sensors - to monitor the earth mainly for atmospheric nuclear explosions.

There is no sign of the missing Boeing 777 carrying 239 people, which lost contact over the sea between Malaysia and Vietnam early Saturday.

They aren't excluding it as a option at all.

reply to post by SBMcG


Yes, they are. If there was a nuclear explosion one of the search teams, or a plane flying in the area would have detected increased radioactivity. Using a nuclear agency detectors doesn't mean that they're saying it was a nuclear weapon.

ManiShuck
I'm not sure if these bits have been posted, but:

Meanwhile, Malaysian authorities are saying that the two men looked African.

Investigators have checked closed-circuit television footage of the men as they boarded the flight.

“It is confirmed now that they are not Asian-looking men,” Malaysia’s civil aviation chief, Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, told a press conference Monday evening in Kuala Lumpur.

When reporters asked for a description, Mr. Azharuddin referred to Mario Balotelli, an Italian soccer star whose birth parents are from Ghana.

He wouldn’t elaborate. “I don’t want to dwell about it but they are not Asian-looking.”

The info coming out about this can't seem to stay straight at first it was said by officials that they had Asian features.

The two men purchased their tickets in the Thai beach resort of Pattaya, using an Iranian intermediary, reported the Financial Times.

Benjaporn Krutnait, the owner of the Grand Horizon travel agency, told the paper that she had known the Iranian for three years and that he regularly booked flights for himself or others.

The Iranian, whom she only knowns as “Mr. Ali,” asked her to get cheap tickets to Europe for two men on March 1.

The tickets expired before Mr. Ali got back to her so she rebooked the two men on the Malaysia Airlines flight, making the reservation through China Southern Airlines, which code-shares the flight.

She said a friend of Mr. Ali paid for the tickets in cash, adding that such arrangements were common in Pattaya, with the middlemen keeping a commission.

The latest developments seem to suggest that the two men were part of a refugee scam, said security consultant Chris Mathers, who has investigated many cases that involved stolen passports while he was an RCMP officer.

"It doesn't matter that the passport is going to be detected upon arrival. All you need is something that will get you on the plane," Mr. Mathers said.

"When they would get to Beijing, the passports would likely not have been checked because they would be in the in-transit area. Then, when they get on the plane to Europe, they flush the passports and declare refugee status in Europe. This happens a lot."

www.theglobeandmail.com...

Also, from The Telegraph:

One of the Iranian nationals' intended final destination was Frankfurt, where his mother lives, while the other wanted to travel to Denmark.
The same source that spoke to BBC Persian also emailed CNN with a photograph of him posing with his two friends in the days before they embarked on their fateful trip.
An editor at BBC Persian told The Telegraph that the two Iranians were “looking for a place to settle”.
Both Malaysia and neighbouring Thailand, where the passports were originally stolen, host large and established Iranian communities.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

edit on 10-3-2014 by ManiShuck because: (no reason given)

Something curious about the last quoted article. Where's the pic of the two guys posing with their friend? Wouldn't CNN post it? I mean it's the biggest news item of the day. Where's the pic CNN?

reply to post by Zaphod58


But if on impact the were designed to eject and get to the surface, SAR time would be far less right? The area would be easier to find. This is of course Oat & I heard the interview correctly

The cellular system would know if the phones connect up to it. If true then the telcos could verify and supply that info. I have to imagine it is not really happening. Of course people will say they are in on the cover up also. Guess we find out some day.

reply to post by Cosmocow


It wouldn't make much difference. The range on the pingers is so low you'd have to be on top of them to hear it. And if you were that close the odds are that you'd be in the middle of the debris field already anyway.

reply to post by Cosmocow

It's more important to find the hardware/wiring or weapons on a downed F-18 etc. etc. etc..., then it is to find missing persons I guess.

reply to post by OatDelphi


But still...c'mon man

reply to post by OatDelphi


The military systems don't lead to finding the wreckage any faster than the civilian systems do. The difference is that they don't have to send divers down to recover the recorder.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Hall led me to believe otherwise. Gotta find that interview...

Missing eh? Sounds like the Bojinka Plot...

I've come to this conclusion, because it makes sense. You got Malaysia Airways, you got the Philippines. Abu Sayaff, Ramzi Yousef. Would be under the radar til now.

Bojinka Plot

Hopefully this is not the case.

reply to post by KonquestAbySS


Except that Bojinka called for bringing down multiple aircraft simultaneously across the Pacific.

Cosmocow
reply to post by OatDelphi

 

When we have tech on military but not commercial it angers me. I mean the safety features

No, No. the functions are the same. Any military aspect of them would have to do with totally other factors that would be used in a salvage operation. Like the fact that there was a nuke on board, would be one.

reply to post by Cosmocow


It's six of one, half a dozen of another honestly. Civilian aircraft have systems that help to find them faster, that military aircraft don't have, while military aircraft have things like recorders that float, and are ejected at impact. IIRC a military recorder acts like an ELT as well as a recorder, where a civilian plane has multiple ELTs, both on the aircraft, and the jackets, etc.

reply to post by Bilk22


An Australian news site has a much better article about it which doesn't mention CNN, so not sure about the email. They may just simply not want to have his picture out there per a request.

In the other article I found, it mentioned Mr. Ali coming forward to authorities to answer questions and no US authorities have tried to contact him. So it seems more and more like the stolen passports don't have anything to do with the disappearance (or, at least it's looking less likely than before).

reply to post by Zaphod58


I don't know about that. I can almost guarantee that a stealth fighter/bomber has extremely sophisticated devices for retrieval in the event of a crash. I would even suggest that they have more than just sonic ping's, possibly infrared strobe and what not. Now I'm no aviation expert but I can assume they make sure no one gets their hands on classified tech.

And yes the interview was specifically describing an ejected floating black box that makes it easier to find at sea.

Where are now NSA and GCHQ to trace the phone or some of the passenger laptops who may have gps trackers.That little perverts only know to spy on private web cams and listening to ex girlfriend or wife conversations.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Geesh can't they combine the two? Make it easier to find without being on top of it? It seems like the technology is there. Again, hall led me to believe I should be upset about this. Right Oat?