Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

Cydonia2012
reply to post by Bilk22

 

something smells rotten on this story!

If China "took" the plane and forced it down somewhere, why would they keep it for 3 days, would they let the "world" do a futile search? and what is the end game for this if this is the case? What happens to the passengers on that plane?

The only reason I can think of is there's a standoff. I hate to use what could be considered a strawman argument, but it wouldn't be the first time a runway standoff has occurred. Otherwise I guess there are other explanations such as they shot it down or this is what someone else claimed, a false flag event. These are all predicated on the idea that the plane did not experience a malfunction. Pilot error seems to be the last thing it would be after seeing pilots claim this plane flys itself from a pretty ow altitude until it's ready to be landed.

research100
reply to post by Jagger

 

good point you made there, they were supposed to be on 2 different flights but the tickets expired and they ended up with tickets on the same flight...doesn't seem like good planning for a terrorist strike....

even if this wasn't just knowing others out there got caught trying is a scary thought

edit on 10-3-2014 by research100 because: fixed last sentence

Maybe they let the tickets expire because they weren't on the same flight. This ticket issue is not benign.

reply to post by Zaphod58

So is that why the search taking so long because the plane didn't have a black box?If so maybe that reason this flight was targeted.If foul play was involved no one would figure it out for a long time.A dry run.

Its very odd... I hope this does not turn into some thing we never find the truth about.

Violater1

SBMcG
What could completely obliterate a massive jetliner and leave no debris or fuel?

A small nuke...?

The plane's last know position was over a pretty remote stretch of water. It's possible a massive fireball 7 miles up in the air would go unseen. I don't know what kind of detection capabilities the US military would have in that part of the world...

Google Earth displays the water to be less than 250 feet deep. I think you would be able to see some debris, tail section or wing, no?

That's exactly right. And by all accounts, not only is there no black box to be found, the aircraft seems to have just instantly vanished. A nuclear blast would be an instant of bright light and then nothing. I would imagine that from a distance it might look just like lightning. There wouldn't be a slowly-descending fireball as every part of that plane would be instantly vaporized.

rockflier
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Your numbers are spot on. The efficiency of design does lead to decreased fuel consumption, increased profits, and longer range. All pluses.

Well thanks for the education Wish it didn't come in this manner though

reply to post by TDawg61


ALL commercial planes have a black box, it's required equipment. But the pinger on it is short range. There's a sonar pinger for under water recovery, and a radio based pinger for on land. But the range is only something like 10 miles IIRC.

I think it may be true, the last theory.. I mean.. Look at how everyone is discussing this. But we will see in few days. If nothing happens then most probably there is a reason for it. I really cant believe an entire plane disapearing, and no one to be avle to find it in the 21th century

SBMcG

Violater1

SBMcG
What could completely obliterate a massive jetliner and leave no debris or fuel?

A small nuke...?

The plane's last know position was over a pretty remote stretch of water. It's possible a massive fireball 7 miles up in the air would go unseen. I don't know what kind of detection capabilities the US military would have in that part of the world...

Google Earth displays the water to be less than 250 feet deep. I think you would be able to see some debris, tail section or wing, no?

That's exactly right. And by all accounts, not only is there no black box to be found, the aircraft seems to have just instantly vanished. A nuclear blast would be an instant of bright light and then nothing. I would imagine that from a distance it might look just like lightning. There wouldn't be a slowly-descending fireball as every part of that plane would be instantly vaporized.

Where is the information coming from of "no black box"? I don't believe that's what was suggested in the response.

I know this is a vanishingly small probability, but "Our best estimates of the total incoming meteoroid flux indicate that about 10 to 50 meteorite dropping events occur over the earth each day. It should be remembered, however, that 2/3 of these events will occur over ocean, while another 1/4 or so will occur over very uninhabited land areas, leaving only about 2 to 12 events each day with the potential for discovery by people"

I know these meteorites travel pretty fast.

"Meteoroids enter the earth’s atmosphere at very high speeds, ranging from 11 km/sec to 72 km/sec (25,000 mph to 160,000 mph). However, similar to firing a bullet into water, the meteoroid will rapidly decelerate as it penetrates into increasingly denser portions of the atmosphere. This is especially true in the lower layers, since 90 % of the earth’s atmospheric mass lies below 12 km (7 miles / 39,000 ft) of height"

So, what would the effect of say, a golf ball sized meteorite, travelling at 140,000 mph, be on a plane at the height of 35K feet?

Would it be a massive explosion? (News saying no explosion was detected by U.S. intelligence equipment). Would the plane just fall apart -- disintegrate?

I know the odds of this are astronomically small.

Source: www.amsmeteors.org...

Bilk22

SBMcG

Violater1

SBMcG
What could completely obliterate a massive jetliner and leave no debris or fuel?

A small nuke...?

The plane's last know position was over a pretty remote stretch of water. It's possible a massive fireball 7 miles up in the air would go unseen. I don't know what kind of detection capabilities the US military would have in that part of the world...

Google Earth displays the water to be less than 250 feet deep. I think you would be able to see some debris, tail section or wing, no?

That's exactly right. And by all accounts, not only is there no black box to be found, the aircraft seems to have just instantly vanished. A nuclear blast would be an instant of bright light and then nothing. I would imagine that from a distance it might look just like lightning. There wouldn't be a slowly-descending fireball as every part of that plane would be instantly vaporized.

Where is the information coming from of "no black box"? I don't believe that's what was suggested in the response.

Phrased poorly... I should have said they have not found the back box, or that is what is being reported at this time.

Zaphod58
reply to post by TDawg61

 

ALL commercial planes have a black box, it's required equipment. But the pinger on it is short range. There's a sonar pinger for under water recovery, and a radio based pinger for on land. But the range is only something like 10 miles IIRC.

FYI.. A airplanes "Black box" is not really black...

www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com...

reply to post by SBMcG


Except, the US has that "system that looks for flashes around the world" and didn't see anything, according to an anonymous source.

www.nbcnews.com...

Can we be a little more vague please?

Are black boxes for military craft designed the same as for commercial planes? Do they make it easier to find them?

reply to post by elitelogic


I thought about a meteor, but unless it was massive there would still be debris and a meteor that big would pose a bigger issue on Earth than a missing jetliner.

Cosmocow
Are black boxes for military craft designed the same as for commercial planes? Do they make it easier to find them?

They have regular transponders like commercial aircraft, however they also use IFF and encrypted telemetry back to military bases.
These have significantly more range, because they use low frequencies, and can travel a bit in earth curvature.

elitelogic
I know this is a vanishingly small probability, but "Our best estimates of the total incoming meteoroid flux indicate that about 10 to 50 meteorite dropping events occur over the earth each day. It should be remembered, however, that 2/3 of these events will occur over ocean, while another 1/4 or so will occur over very uninhabited land areas, leaving only about 2 to 12 events each day with the potential for discovery by people"

I know these meteorites travel pretty fast.

"Meteoroids enter the earth’s atmosphere at very high speeds, ranging from 11 km/sec to 72 km/sec (25,000 mph to 160,000 mph). However, similar to firing a bullet into water, the meteoroid will rapidly decelerate as it penetrates into increasingly denser portions of the atmosphere. This is especially true in the lower layers, since 90 % of the earth’s atmospheric mass lies below 12 km (7 miles / 39,000 ft) of height"

So, what would the effect of say, a golf ball sized meteorite, travelling at 140,000 mph, be on a plane at the height of 35K feet?

Would it be a massive explosion? (News saying no explosion was detected by U.S. intelligence equipment). Would the plane just fall apart -- disintegrate?

I know the odds of this are astronomically small.

Source: www.amsmeteors.org...

If that did happen...then that still leaves the question...where is the plane? Or where is the debris field?

reply to post by Cosmocow


They sometimes are... like if the plane has cameras on it the black-box will be bigger and have the hard drives the video saves too as part of it. Some have GPS trackers in them.. Its kind of a "whatever you want" kind of thing...

Or just the USA stole the plane and are preparing for another plane terorist attack.