Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by generik


If I remember correctly an epirb transmits at 220mhz and is designed to be picked by any aircraft or sea vessel not just search and rescue assets. As they emit a basic distress signal they have a massive radius distance. Mobile phone networks tend to work on a horizontal access only

dodol
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

 

left behind? rapture?

peace

interesting idea except that chances are the pilots are Muslim, and i don't recall they have a rapture per se, and i think they need to be in control of the whole world before their version of the end of the world comes to pass.

READ this, I mean read it...

The passport issue is one of the least remarkable aspects of this tragedy.

www.usatoday.com...

From the article:

- 40 million false passports in circulation. 40,000,000 false!
- "only a handful of countries are taking care to make sure that persons possessing stolen passports are not boarding international flights,''
- The black market for fake passports is geared mostly to smuggling laborers, prostitutes and other illegal migrants.
- a fake passport's quality is almost beside the point if authorities "don't even bother to check it or swipe it.''
- Although there are millions of passports listed as stolen, lost or missing in the world, only a few countries systematically check for them at airport gates.

While it MAY have something to do with this incident, with 40,000,000 in circulation there are people likely sitting on your latest flight with you that have forged or stolen travel documents including passports.

While it may take weeks, months or years to find the flight recorders for this flight - as happened with AirFrance 447 in 2009 - it may take that long to discover the real cause of this crash.

Given that there are over 1,000 B-777 in service, finding out what REALLY happened is the most important.

Wild conjecture or know-it-all's stating that they know it was a bomb or a shoot-down, because that is all their imagine can conceive is not helping discover the truth whatsoever.

reply to post by Leonidas


I just think it's hard to compare this to the Air France crash.

That crash was way the heck out there near the equator in the South Atlantic Ocean in the middle of nowhere--literally. The water was incredibly deep and the area was known for the worst weather imaginable.

This "disappearance" on the other hand is in a more defined region, much more shallow water abounds compared to where the Air France flight crashed. Land masses are nearby.

Still a needle in a haystack, but a much smaller haystack which makes the needle even bigger.

reply to post by Leonidas


Changing the tune slightly from downed aircraft to hijacked . Are there many remote airfields within range that could accommodate a landing by a 777. Not had a chance to look yet but there must be plenty of islands in range or inland ?

Another debris field found that they will be checking

Hong Kong's Air Traffic Control Center reported on Mar 10th 2014 around 17:30L (09:30Z) that an airliner enroute on airway L642 reported via HF radio that they saw a large field of debris at position N9.72 E107.42 about 80nm southeast of Ho Chi Minh City, about 50nm off the south-eastern coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea and about 281nm northeast of the last known radar position. Ships have been dispatched to the reported debris field.

link

reply to post by generik


It's odd because most planes now have wifi in them, and most people have wifi on their mobile devices (iPhone, galaxy phone etc). When I fly on a plane, and am connected to the planes wifi I can send and receive iMessages between people.

That being said who knows if the plane had working wifi

ETA: the MA website claims that they offer phones to business class that work air to ground built into the inflight entertainment system.

Also, they do have wifi onboard the flight, claims their webpage

pic of new wreckage field:

Just watched the live news conference and update was:

No debris discovered
Oil not from a plane
Yellow spotted item not from a plane
Photos and CCT viewed of 2 people using stolen passports
The 2 people are not of Asian appearance
A reporter asked if not Asian then what, guy said couldn't elaborate further, he made a reference to them looking like Balotelli!
5 passengers who did not board but checked in had their luggage removed from the aircraft
Said cant discuss passport any further as its an ongoing investigation into a passport syndicate?
Search being expanded

I cant find the link to the live news conference it on BBC news now the one I watched was live and now its not there?

www.theguardian.com...

Missile downed Malaysia Airlines jet? Follows near miss by North Korean rocket last week - See more at: kleinonline.wnd.com...

Perhaps the search is focusing in the wrong place.

Maybe the plane didn't come down, it went up......

Is that even remotely possible.....?

MR

reply to post by MRuss



Sigh. The point was that finding the crash site is not a simple when it is over the ocean as people seem to be assuming.

Come back and complain in two weeks when no debris is found, wait at least a year before complaining about why the FDR/CVR haven't been recovered.

Even when people are given evidence they search for a reason why it doesnt apply and then happily return to wild speculation.

No wonder some people have gotten so frustrated trying to have a decent conversation about what this.

da pickles
reply to post by Leonidas

 

Changing the tune slightly from downed aircraft to hijacked . Are there many remote airfields within range that could accommodate a landing by a 777. Not had a chance to look yet but there must be plenty of islands in range or inland ?

if you think back to ww2, there are likely more abandoned airfields than you can imagine given that both the US and Japanese relied heavily on aircraft. in fact that is why Guadalcanal was so important for the US to capture, it was because of the airfield the Japanese were building there. considering the aircraft had about 7 hours or so of fuel, that is a lot of possibilities for landing spots on pacific islands. while i suspect (too lazy to check the numbers right now), that a triple 7 requires more length than say a ww2 bomber, it would not be all that difficult to extend an existing runway or even build a new one with no reports getting out. just look at the Mexican who was just rescued after about 2 years lost at sea, where he landed had ONE telephone in the area. and most people there are related/ like minded, so if an area that is similar was used if the people agree with what is going on, no info would get out, and if small population, would be rather easy to take over with force of arms, again without news of it getting out.

i would think a landing field "inland" would not be likely since someone would be sure to spot such a big, loud, low flying aircraft and report it, before it made it to a landing site.

da pickles
reply to post by Leonidas

 

Changing the tune slightly from downed aircraft to hijacked . Are there many remote airfields within range that could accommodate a landing by a 777. Not had a chance to look yet but there must be plenty of islands in range or inland ?

Not long enough for a 777. Not even close.

This shows the approx. location.

From same link www.avherald.com...

reply to post by generik


I believe landing spots somewhere, if family members are saying phones are still ringing, they must be grounded.

I can guesstimate there's a remote secret service spot somewhere and that plane was chosen. I sense no terrorist action.

EnderMEM
reply to post by generik

 

It's odd because most planes now have wifi in them, and most people have wifi on their mobile devices (iPhone, galaxy phone etc). When I fly on a plane, and am connected to the planes wifi I can send and receive iMessages between people.

That being said who knows if the plane had working wifi

ETA: the MA website claims that they offer phones to business class that work air to ground built into the inflight entertainment system.

Also, they do have wifi onboard the flight, claims their webpage

edit on 10-3-2014 by EnderMEM because: (no reason given)

ah but keep in mind wi-fi, and air to ground phones on an aircraft can like everything else be turned off from the cockpit, in fact i do seem to recall reading just that, as part of the "agreement" to use their internet. that's why it is allowed at all considering the no cellphone ruleis all about being able to control information going in and out rather than safety, otherwise why are radios prohibited since they only "receive" signals and not send signals. as far as i can see the only source of independent communication might be a satellite phone, i am really not sure if even that is viable, and not so many of those in use.

reply to post by itzconnor8


I think it was only 1 family who have said that a phone was still ringing?

Could have lost it at airport before I don't know.

Not sure if any more have said I only know of the 1.

itzconnor8
reply to post by generik

 

I believe landing spots somewhere, if family members are saying phones are still ringing, they must be grounded.

I can guesstimate there's a remote secret service spot somewhere and that plane was chosen. I sense no terrorist action.

A 777 needs about 11,000 feet.

There are no landing strips remotely long enough on islands in the region

reply to post by civpop


This link says 19 families signed a petition for more info after trying to call their relatives and the phones were ringing

source