Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

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In a SAR, it would be tight since the source is weak, public as discussed.
In war, well we don't talk about it.

charlyv
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In a SAR, it would be tight since the source is weak, public as discussed.
In war, well we don't talk about it.

Understood. I was an Army 98G4F assigned to Ft Mead, MD and then Goodfellow AFB, TX

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Nice pic up on your avatar, just of interest i was watching on FR24 today a test flight of the new Airbus A350-900, what an amazing flight envelope it has - it was conducting some quite fast yet high turns, and i followed it on screen flying at 43.050ft and 518knots very impressive, lovely looking aswel.

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Thanks! That is a National Airlines (now defunct) 757-200 that I flew for many years. The new Airbag, errrrr Airbus is quite impressive.

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I used to operate the boarding gates and do abit of load control at a local airport, and we had our fair share of "Sticks" 75's on stand, the 75 has to be one of my fave looking planes, i never got the chance to fly in one but i did in a 707 a couple of times.

charlyv


It is about freakin time that they deployed the P3's. They should have done this on the day they had signal for 2+ hours.

It is my understanding Charly-bear that the RAAF have been using the P-3's since it became the idea that the plane came this far south. I think the US at the time used one, and we had a Japanese one too.

But don't quote me on the other nations, I know for defs that the RAAF have been using them.

rockflier

charlyv
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In a SAR, it would be tight since the source is weak, public as discussed.
In war, well we don't talk about it.

Understood. I was an Army 98G4F assigned to Ft Mead, MD and then Goodfellow AFB, TX

Cool. Not familiar with it's mission, which is probably classified as well!

rockflier

Aurora, there is a button that the pilots push after landing to erase the CVR. This was included on the equipment due to the concerns voiced by aircrews and unions that the content on the recorder might be used to punish or blackmail flight crews for anything said in the cockpit in confidence. At the airline I flew for, just before shutting down the engines we would erase the CVR. I do not express agreement with this, just reporting how it was/is.

Rockflier - that is exceedingly interesting information there, thanks for sharing!

The article was talking how in the report that the CVR was still running after landing, due to electrical craziness.

I am not very eloquent, you may have surmised.

auroraaus

charlyv


It is about freakin time that they deployed the P3's. They should have done this on the day they had signal for 2+ hours.

It is my understanding Charly-bear that the RAAF have been using the P-3's since it became the idea that the plane came this far south. I think the US at the time used one, and we had a Japanese one too.

But don't quote me on the other nations, I know for defs that the RAAF have been using them.

Yes, the US has sold most of it's P3 Fleet to Australia, New Zealand and Japan, among a few others. The last P3's at Brunswick Naval Air station flew off at the end of 2009. It will be all P8 Poseidon soon in the USN, which is a formidable aircraft, but those P3's are still extremely effective at what they do.

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Ms. Aurora, you are sufficiently eloquent, even a dumb old retired pilot (me) can easily understand your meaning. Here is a link to a typical CVR and ELT control set up .
Panel Layout

Abit of aircraft terminology for nurds like me lol.

Boeing 747(jumbo jet) = "Lump"
Boeing 757 = "Stick"
Boeing 737 = "Fluf" or "Pig"

just abit of lighthearted trivia.

Onehuman: great to see you back!

Everyone:

FRANKIE SAYS RELAX

As the days and weeks drag on, misinformation, retractions, conflicting opinions and hypotheses, emotions are high, we are all quite frustrated. Imagine being part of the SAR! Imagine being one of the family members, or friends of those on the flight, not knowing for sure, dealing with the unthinkable that their loved ones are missing, presumed dead and in our day in age, which we take all technology for granted, it is taking weeks, possibly months, possibly years, to find the missing plane.

I know I am guilty of almost losing my temper at a few ATSers here, so not calling kettle black, but I think we need to sit back, agree to disagree, calm our collective farms, and put things in perspective. Is it us going out there, long flights to and from the search area, long slow trips on ships out there? Diving in those horrid waters? (I say horrid because I had an allergic reaction once when I went into the Indian Ocean... broke out in hives :S )

Is it us spending many hours, running on limited sleep, coordinating investigations, SAR, interviewing hundreds of witnesses, searching for evidence abroad, dealing with media and familial bombardment?

Is it us who are missing someone on that plane - who should be back at home already, fighting over who uses the remote, complain that they left the toilet seat up, take out on another romantic date, share holiday photos from their trip?

Take a moment to reflect.


PS: Don't make me get the rolling pin out!

auroraaus PS: Don't make me get the rolling pin out!

A mother's best weapon for errant children.

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:O

3) ERASE Switch. A push-button switch placarded ERASE is used to erase all recordings after a routine flight. The ERASE switch will only work when the weight of the aircraft is on the landing gear. To prevent accidental erasures, a time-delay circuit makes it necessary to hold the ERASE switch pressed for 2 seconds before the erasure process will begin.

(from your source)

I have a question: If the plane's avionics go completely batty and short circuit etc, is it possible that erasure could happen without the need for the weight of the aircraft on landing gear? Like something in the programming or circuitry ignoring that precursor and just, going to town with the CVR?

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Hot dog! I thought there was P8s here from the US too, but couldn't remember correctly.

Found this article from the Imperial Valley News (India I believe) posted last night:

US Navy logistics ship to join MH370 search

Indian Ocean - The 7th Fleet supply ship USNS Cesar Chavez (T-AKE 14) joined an international task force led by Australian Defence Force searching for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 off the Western Coast of Australia today.

The U.S. 7th Fleet deployed Chavez in response to a formal Joint Operations Command request to the U.S. Pacific Command (PACOM) for tanker support. Deployment of the Dry cargo/ammunition ship speaks to the U.S. Navy's enduring commitment to allies and partners in the Asia-Pacific region, and the ability to respond rapidly where it matters, when it matters.

In the coming days Chavez is scheduled to conduct underway replenishment operations with Australian naval ships actively searching for MH370, including HMAS Success (OR 304), HMAS Perth (FFH 157) and HMAS Toowoomba (FFH 156).

Chavez is the U.S. Navy's newest Combat Logistics Force ship which is operated by a crew of 125 civil service mariners. These ships also have a complement of 11 U.S. Navy Sailors who provide operational support and supply coordination.

"This is an unexpected assignment, but our logistics ships are used to responding quickly to emergent requirements," said COMLOG WESTPAC replenishment officer, Lt. Cmdr. Gentry Debord.

Prior to setting sail for the remote waters of the southern Indian Ocean, Chavez loaded provisions and fuel in Singapore. Here, a U.S. Navy logistics team assigned to Logistics Group Western Pacific (COMLOG WESTPAC) and MSC Far East worked with the Royal Australian Navy Liaison Office (RANLO) to load supplies and fuel destined for Australian ships.

Chavez, operated by the U.S. Navy's Military Sealift Command (MSC), provides underway replenishment of dry cargo, fuel, and ammunition to U.S. and coalition naval ships operating at sea. The 689 foot Chavez is expected to take on additional provisions and freight in Fleet Base West at Stirling, Western Australia to further support task forces ships.

COMLOG WESTPAC is Seventh Fleet's combat-ready logistics command in Southeast Asia, providing government-owned and contracted ships to keep units armed, fueled and fed throughout the U.S. Pacific Fleet area of responsibility. In addition to USNS Cesar Chavez, U.S. Pacific Fleet is also supporting the search operation with two P-8 Poseidon patrol aircraft, a Towed Pinger Locator hydrophone and an autonomous underwater vehicle Bluefin-21 side-scan sonar.

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Thank you for the warm welcome back ma'am! Lol keep these boys in line.

I'm curious as to what you think about my find? Think there was any connection?

BREAKING:

UNCONFIRMED

breaking unconfirmed black box found

THERE has been an unconfirmed report the black bax from MH370 has been found.

Perth radio station 6PR Tweeted the report from aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has announced that he will update the media on developments at 2pm AEST.

that's in under one hours time

THERE are unconfirmed reports that the black box flight recorder from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has been found.

Perth radio station 6PR tweeted the report, citing aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who is in China, is giving a pre-planned press conference at 2pm AEST.

www.news.com.au... 186
Sorry im still having trouble posting links, if this doesn't work...well I give up

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