Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by roadgravel


I'm not confusing anything...
You are assuming that I feel both are the same entity!!!
Don't assume about me, I won't assume about you... & this whole debacle will appear more civil than it has!!!

"You have to see these two things at two different layers," said David Cenciotti, an aviation writer based in Rome. "At the higher one you have ACARS with all the series of messages that can be exchanged between the plane and the receiving station on VHF, HF or SATCOM.

ACARS relies on the three for seperate issues yes???

So that's my point!!!
Not that SATCOM & ACARS are one in the same!!!
Merely connected to one another!!!

This plane was said to have used VHF to transmit ACARS data, not the sat link anyway.

Well this is news to me & I fully appreciate you sharing the info!!!


Peace R.G!!!

Pleasant!!!

Well back to the speculation anyways...

Anyone know if it's possible to dump a Black Box...
Such as removing it from the Plane mid flight???

Or would that need to be done at a moment the Plane is stationary & grounded due to its position on the Plane!!!


Peace MH370 xxx

Hey folks, I know I have been quiet for awhile, but I have still been following along. Makes me a little sad to see some of the bickering, but thats how threads like this go I guess.

Anyhow, I thought I would throw something out here I came across which may or may not be something, but is rather curious all things considered. Since we have speculated on so many different things, thoughts and ideas of "why," this might as well go into the mix to be pondered.

If I recall correctly, many moons and pages ago, we tossed around the thought of what if the plane was hijacked to be crashed into the gathering of the world leaders at the Hague. Now that has passed and we know it didnt happen, but were you aware that a Boeing 777 did violate airspace that day and had to be escorted away by two Dutch military jet fighters?

As you will see, this happened on March 24, and oddly enough was reported in this tiny article by CNN

The Royal Dutch Air Force scrambled fighter jets on Monday to intercept a cargo plane that entered Dutch airspace without proper clearance as world leaders gathered in the Netherlands for a nuclear security summit.

Another snippet:

A statement from the hauler, based in Chile, confirmed Flight UC 1503 wasn't able to land in Amsterdam and was diverted to Frankfurt "because of an error in the special classification of the flight."

Full Article HERE

I find the quote in the second snippet curious." because of an error in the special classification of the flight." I will let you folks run with that and see if anyone may feel or think how I do about it all in all considered.

Just going out on a limb here, but what if this may have been the cover plane and it all just went wrong somewhere along the line? I mean really, what are the odds that on the day of the gathering of world leaders at the Hague, a 777 just happens to violate airspace there and needs to be escorted away? Have I been on ATS too long? Could this one little crumb of a article be a actual clue of what was suppose to be yet failed?

I know it doesnt answer where the missing plane MH370 is, but does it point to the possible part 2 of the original plan?

roadgravel
This is as bad as the person who could not understand how to convert between UTC and local time.

Looks like facts are pretty much frowned upon here.

You mean like the person who frowns upon the fact an aircraft with 7.5 hours fuel which takes off forty minutes past midnight can't fly at low level for 8.5 hours and then another hour and a half to reach Diego Garcia.

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To reach Maldives from KUL via IGARI takes 2,109nm at low altitude (10,000ft) and takes 6.8 hours.

This means if MH370 flew to the Maldives at low level it would have reached there at 7:55am Malay time with fuel almost exhausted. It would have required another hour and 25 minutes to reach Diego Garcia - not possible.

Flying at low altitude it would not have been still in the air at 9.15am Malaysian time

reply to post by onehuman

Makes me a little sad to see some of the bickering, but thats how threads like this go I guess.

I apologise for the part I played in that... We humans are an emotional creature at times!!!

Just going out on a limb here, but what if this may have been the cover plane and it all just went wrong somewhere along the line?

I find the quote in the second snippet curious." because of an error in the special classification of the flight."

Terminology gets the better of me here... But is the "classification" the flight number???
Like "MH370" could have been changed as people speculated early in the thread!!!
I could be well off target there forgive me!!!

what are the odds that on the day of the gathering of world leaders at the Hague, a 777 just happens to violate airspace there and needs to be escorted away?

Around the time of a missing 777???... About the same as being hit by lightning as our lottery numbers are called out!!!

Have I been on ATS too long?

Well if any link is true, we could speculate the flight "MH370" was to be landed and stripped, while another 777 made it's way to The Hague!!!
Perhaps the Pilot threw on the Auto-Pilot to head as far from any airstrip as possible to deny such an attack after power was cut to his communication!!!

A hero pilot... It's been speculated already here, & he wouldn't be the 1st!!!


Peace onehuman!!!

reply to post by sy.gunson


You are the person who keeps this Maldive plane thing going. I never said it went anywhere, could fly x hours, etc.

I simply pointed out that the alleged sighting was not before MH370 took off (your words) and it would have been after what was taken as then crash time. Basically didn't seem reliable.

The numbers being used were in error.

I actually have higher confidence in much of your theory then most of what has been stated here.

reply to post by CharlieSpeirs


Thanks for replying Charlie, at least Ill know someone else has seen this now. lol considering when I posted about Freescale back on page 46 and how that pretty much got over looked till much much later( I've noticed you are big on leaning that way too btw) it makes me feel better that someone else might not think this new tidbit isnt so crazy.

I hope others here give it a little look and consideration at least and it doesnt get lost in all the charts and horn blowing, only to come up again 50 pages from now.

reply to post by onehuman


Not a problem pal!!!

We're all still speculating over a month later, so people can't knock the work you're doing, and what you're unearthing!!!

Probability & possibility are key, & that which you have mentioned is very plausible and pardon the figure of speech, going under the radar so to speak!!!

lol considering when I posted about Freescale back on page 46 and how that pretty much got over looked till much much later

Still relevant if truth be told, some seem to disagree, I respect that, just hope they respect those who feel Freescale is still key to this!!!

I hope others here give it a little look and consideration at least and it doesnt get lost in all the charts and horn blowing, only to come up again 50 pages from now.

I too hope people pay attention to your info, if there is a link, ATS is sure to/capable of trying to, connect the dots!!!


Very much appreciate the kind words as well pal



Peace onehuman!!!

reply to post by onehuman


I think the servers of flightradar have been smoking that day because me and a whole bunch of others were tracking this plane when it entered our airspace.
This was an aircraft from Lan Cargo, B777 freighter LCO1503 on March 24.
It had been intercepted because it had no permission to fly in dutch airspace nor land at Schiphol and there was no response.
The next day they had permission and LCO1503 flew to Amsterdam.

earthling42
reply to post by onehuman

 

I think the servers of flightradar have been smoking that day because me and a whole bunch of others were tracking this plane when it entered our airspace.
This was an aircraft from Lan Cargo, B777 freighter LCO1503 on March 24.
It had been intercepted because it had no permission to fly in dutch airspace nor land at Schiphol and there was no response.
The next day they had permission and LCO1503 flew to Amsterdam.

Sometimes it is hard to tell what a person is really trying to say when reading them in print, so please forgive me. Do you not find this curious considering the meeting taking place and the fact it was a 777 that seems to just have appeared with its own agenda without any clearance, or you think its really no big deal?

Like I said, Im just trying to make sure I understand what you were trying to say.

auroraaus
Update from the search in Southern Indian Ocean:

P-3 Orion detects possible signal

SEARCH crews have detected a new signal from the depths of the Indian Ocean, thought to be from Flight MH370.
Former Defence chief Angus Houston, heading the Joint Agency Coordination Centre in Perth, confirmed an aircraft has detected a possible signal in the vicinity of Ocean Shield in search for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane.
It is understood it was detected by a RAAF P3 Orion plane in the search zone.
The signal will be further analysed but it is potentially from a man-made source.
“The acoustic data will require further analysis overnight,” Houston said.
It brings the number of signals that have been detected so far to five.

It is about freakin time that they deployed the P3's. They should have done this on the day they had signal for 2+ hours.

There was a lot of info on CNN earlier about the P3's, the sonobuoy patterns dropped and the data. It has been overwritten as of this afternoon. My guess is they have localized the source and the next step we will see a deep submersible deployed.

reply to post by charlyv

Given your experience are you getting any confidence in the effort. I saw a presentation showing search patterns N-S then E-W in order to attempt to shrink the area.

Does any of what is being done fit in with success from your experience?

They need Charly in the SS1 seat.

reply to post by onehuman


Sorry if i did mess up the grammer, this is not my native language

Although it was said to be a possibility that MH370 would be used to perform an attack at the summit, there is no way that they would be able to succeed in doing so.
This plane would have ended in the north sea if it did not change its course as ordered by the fighterjets.
No chance for a jet to reach the hague.

reply to post by earthling42



"Been smoking" can you explain please.

roadgravel
reply to post by charlyv

 

Given your experience are you getting any confidence in the effort. I saw a presentation showing search patterns N-S then E-W in order to attempt to shrink the area.

Does any of what is being done fit in with success from your experience?

Yes, in fact. They would lay a straight pattern, usually down the presumed flight path of the downed aircraft, right over the boats that have contact, which would have been relatively N-S, and then crossed it in the middle E-W. There are variations, but that would be typical. Their job is to fix the location, and if they did, the boat does not have to tow that array around any more.

Nice to see some of this coming out, and wish they would tell more.

Question -

Exactly how are the "pings" from the blackbox still working?

I remember them saying those boxes will usually die off around the 30 day mark.

rockflier
They need Charly in the SS1 seat.

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I would give an eye tooth, as would most of my AW buddies that are certainly watching this as diligently.
The equipment is a lot better today, but the tactics remain relatively the same.

Dropping a Buoy

reply to post by Xcathdra


No, after 30 days the signal will get weaker and weaker until the batteries are empty.

reply to post by charlyv


What would be your normal distance between sonobuoy drops?