Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by civpop


This what I've been alluding to. Even if these passports turn out to be a red herring, the discussion is warranted on passengers flying on bogus credentials. If these passports indeed play into the fate of the airliner can/will the family members take legal action and receive compensation from the airline or airport? If so, it would be in their best interest to come to a way to eliminate passengers flying on fake or stolen credentials.

MSM here is now focusing on the passports and how they were used to purchase tickets. The 2 were bought together, and there were a total of 5 bought through that agency.

MSM is also talking about how the plane turned back.

Surely information is being withheld, because nothing adds up right now

All the pictures of the cabin door floating in the water have been removed.

Can anyone try to find one---

None of the links are working anymore. Pics removed.

Officials released photograph of one fragment floating in the water. Malaysia Airlines said it had received no confirmation regarding the suspected debris.

online.wsj.com...

Haven't read through all 34 pages but has anyone brought up that this could've been an EMP attack? It would explain a lot as to why all communications suddenly went bye-bye and of course the plane going off the grid.

I think the whole passport thing is a huge diversion. This was not our traditional terrorist attack. Plus the way the media is pushing it right now makes me very hesitant to believe any of our main terror groups have any involvement.

flight may have turned back
5 passengers did not board
2 stolen passports
2 or 4 suspect names
FBI has joined investigation







for those of you who have not watched anything on this yet... like me

leolady

reply to post by MRuss


This is the image that has been released of the suspected debris:


Source

The fragments were believed to be a composite inner door and a piece of the tail, Vietnam’s ministry of information and communication said in a posting on its website. They were located some 80 kilometers south-southwest of Tho Chu island.

A photograph of one fragment floating in the water was released: (see above)

MRuss
All the pictures of the cabin door floating in the water have been removed.

Can anyone try to find one---

None of the links are working anymore. Pics removed.

Officials released photograph of one fragment floating in the water. Malaysia Airlines said it had received no confirmation regarding the suspected debris.

online.wsj.com...

static4.businessinsider.com...

www.businessinsider.com...
static4.businessinsider.com... aa57ce7c2ad-800-/bisevv6cyaaxxll.jpg

would that be the one?

reply to post by bucks53


It may be a diversion. But if you had loved ones on this plane, and you found out other passengers boarded with fake passports, what would your reaction be?

This is looking more and more sinister than an air accident.

CNN

The two passengers who used the passports in question appear to have bought their tickets together.

The tickets were bought from China Southern Airlines at identical prices, paid in Thailand's baht currency, according to China's official e-ticket verification system Travelsky. The ticket numbers are contiguous, which indicates the tickets were issued together.

I wont rule out any other explanations yet, but this is a huge red flag. My thoughts on this being a coincidence is fading.

I wish updates would come in faster.

reply to post by nightstalker78


Thanks

It is a shame that contextual contributions are lacking on threads, but hey, what u gonna do.

I am of the opinion that this plane simply crashed into the ocean. Accidents happen!

Cosmocow
reply to post by bucks53

 

It may be a diversion. But if you had loved ones on this plane, and you found out other passengers boarded with fake passports, what would your reaction be?

My reaction would be complete BS. With all the security measures in place for the past 10-15 years very little chance I believe a fake passport made it through.
If this was the case who is being held accountable for this negligence.

Even if fake passports were permitted how does that explain the only FACTS we do know? The plane lost communication and the plane was lost with zero sign of distress. I think an EMP attack must be at the top of the list to explain the HARD FACTS as we have them.

bucks53

Cosmocow
reply to post by bucks53

 

It may be a diversion. But if you had loved ones on this plane, and you found out other passengers boarded with fake passports, what would your reaction be?

My reaction would be complete BS. With all the security measures in place for the past 10-15 years very little chance I believe a fake passport made it through.
If this was the case who is being held accountable for this negligence.

Even if fake passports were permitted how does that explain the only FACTS we do know? The plane lost communication and the plane was lost with zero sign of distress. I think an EMP attack must be at the top of the list to explain the HARD FACTS as we have them.

The thing here is since the NSA is sweeping up all data from every corner of the planet, the justification being our safety, wouldn't the use of stolen passports used to purchase airline tickets set off an alarm somewhere? Surely they maintain a database of stolen passports that would be cross-referenced via a computer algorithm. So their capabilities are either greatly exaggerated or they let things play out? Or worse?

reply to post by Bilk22


Sure, I have linked it in this thread before:

Clive Williams, a counter-terrorism expert at Australia's Macquarie University and a former military intelligence officer, said he doubted the two stolen passports aboard the flight were related to the disaster. The latest Interpol data showed there were 39 million lost or stolen passports reported as of Dec. 2013.

"Any flight of that size in Asia would be carrying a couple of people with false passports," he said. "When you think about the number of passports that have been stolen or gone missing around the world ... it could be related, but it's probably not."

Source

So the flight was an hour in then turned back. . Wouldn't you think it would be visible from the coast. . Eye witnesses of the plane going dOwn? Or thEy would find the debree close to origin?

DazDaKing
I was simply shocked at the lack of depth in this thread regarding the terrorism allegations. It was all 100% Islam based from start to end

That's just simply not true. There were a number of posters talking about Chinese terrorists.

See how easy it is to be ill-informed?

reply to post by Bilk22


How do you account for it going off the radar completely? Something would have had to block the transponder signal, on more than one level because from my research so far, there would have been more than one on this flight? You can show me if this is wrong however... but this has been my biggest question, is it possible to take out all signal, during flight?

Would like some links if possible...

reply to post by Bilk22

Intelligence data versus intelligence egos. Remember the warnings of planes raised before 9-11 that were taken lightly. Seems to me the explanation is either egos or inside job.

reply to post by generik


WSJ took their links to the pics down. Thanks for posting.

reply to post by Bilk22


There could have been collusion at the time...

OpinionatedB
reply to post by Bilk22

 

How do you account for it going off the radar completely? Something would have had to block the transponder signal, on more than one level because from my research so far, there would have been more than one on this flight? You can show me if this is wrong however... but this has been my biggest question, is it possible to take out all signal, during flight?

Would like some links if possible...

www.avweb.com...

www.forbes.com...

OpinionatedB
reply to post by Bilk22

 

How do you account for it going off the radar completely? Something would have had to block the transponder signal, on more than one level because from my research so far, there would have been more than one on this flight? You can show me if this is wrong however... but this has been my biggest question, is it possible to take out all signal, during flight?

Would like some links if possible...

Even with the transponders turned off woundn't they have been picked up by Vietnamese primary radar if they were only 50 miles of the coast.