Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

BurningSpearess
reply to post by auroraaus

 

Hello Dear Aurora,

I hope you heard the press conference with the official from Oz speaking...

I'm interested in your feedback & comments as well...

I question why he is referring to this as a "mystery" rather than the official "crash" story...

I wonder why when posed with, "Will you stop the search because of" the money issue, etc., he said something to the effect of it's an international goodwill cause but there will have to be a "Day of Reckoning"... WT?

I just don't know what to think anymore...

As for US involvement in investigation/data grabbing, etc., I believe that was established earlier in this thread or in many of the articles/forums I've encountered over the past few weeks...

From a logical POV, this makes sense because Boeing is an American company based out of Seattle, Washington state if memory serves me correct. Also, the first lawsuit on behalf of victims' families has been filed in the US...

IF they are leaning towards terrorism, then you know that they will give data to CIA/FBI/& even Mossad...certainly there are experts on here that can jump in on that one, as my knowledge is fairly limited...

Hope this helps...

Slightly off-topic, but how do mangosteens differ from mangoes? Lol....

Yeah I harrassed the guy at my local market about the difference between Mangos and Mangosteens too...

As for the day of reckoning I suspect the Chinese will not give up even if the Aussies do (and good on the Chinese too).

I suggest there is something stinky about how the Malaysian Government has kept misdirecting the search area. Chinese satellite photos showed two shiny floating objects 23-24m long in the southern search area 44.42'S 90.26E (800nm NE of Kergeulen Islands) which correlate to the length of a B777 wing. If the wreck is out there then this is where the sonar locator should be and chances of it reaching that site in time to find anything are virtually nill.

Since the aircraft is non ferrous there is no way to search by towed magnetometer so a towed side scan sonar is the only hope of ever finding it now.

At this stage in the game thanks to the Malaysians I give less than 1% chance of locating the wreck before the Black Box batteries die

reply to post by sy.gunson

I suggest there is something stinky about how the Malaysian Government has kept misdirecting the search area.

I dont think they really want it found . Why ? It leads to conjecture with no backing. None of my ideas hold water . May be I need to think in terms of regional politics and regional power plays. We may have to dust off the tinfoil hats for this one.

reply to post by sy.gunson


Sy, I understood your intent and totally agree. In this day of PC we have to watch our 6. Before N7 shut down there were several PIC who received admonishments for what was deemed sexual harassment. Mostly by the "male" cabin crew. BUT the reverse, when female cabin staff directed those things to cockpit crews it was deemed harmless fun by the Management. Ah well, it is all good. Blue skies my friend.

reply to post by BurningSpearess

Also, the first lawsuit on behalf of victims' families has been filed in the US...

Wasn't that just a petition for information which is believed to filed for information which is not valid for the type of petition.

I heard international law has a 45 days time limit before lawyers can get involved for suits.

reply to post by roadgravel


This is what the MSM is saying, for what it is worth anymore...

The father of a passenger on the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 has begun a multi-million dollar litigation process against the airline and plane manufacturer in the United States, an aviation law firm said today.

A petition for discovery filed today in Circuit Court of Cook County, Ill., names Malaysia Airlines and Boeing, the manufacturer of the missing 777 airplane, as the initial defendants, Monica Kelly, head of Global Aviation Litigation at Ribbeck Law, told ABC News. The law firm is based in Chicago.

Additional @

Sourcing: abcnews.go.com... om%2F

FYI...long article! Sounds like many on a warpath...

reply to post by BurningSpearess

The interview I saw stated the petition for discovery could not be used for the information requested. So said the lawyer.

roadgravel
reply to post by BurningSpearess

 

The interview I saw stated the petition for discovery could not be used for the information requested. So said the lawyer.

Source? Just search engine lawsuit + Boeing + Malaysian airlines & you'll get more of the same of my previous post...

Would be interesting to hear an alternative view... Thanks

I am a bit naive when it comes to these things, but who foots the bill for the search, and its associated expenses? Does it get billed out to the owner of the Airlines, or is it dependent on the final outcome, pending determination of the cause?

jhaines6.wordpress.com... ialed-out-of-diego-garcia/

Some pretty bold claims.

reply to post by Hmmmmmmm


This story is 100% unbelievable and pretty sure a hoax.
1.) If he was in a deep and dark cell his phone wouldn't have a possibility to establish a GPS position.
2.) If he was in a 'secret' US base there for sure won't be an AT&T cell tower and if there was a cell tower used by the military they for sure monitor/firewall all connection.
3.) You don't leave an iPhone in the pocket of your hostage. Man they even strip search handicapped people at the airport but not a hostage on a US base?
4.) Faking EXIF data is one of the easiest things that can be done without any special software. Pictures aren't proof of anything nowadays

This whole story still stinks, the news has said that it crashed in the Indian Ocean yet there has been no debris shown. The U.S. intel community has said "no terrorism" and relatives accuse officials of a cover up. What other scenarios would be covered up?

Has someone said that it crashed into the Indian Ocean on a guess?

The flight recorders run on batteries and so do not give up after 30 days - they wind down after 30 days and may give up sometime after that(some say up to 45 days altogether). There may still be time to find these boxes.

MH370 search: Captain Mark Matthews' paints pessimistic assessment of black box search

Highlighting the enormity of the task, Captain Matthews revealed that the ''towed pinger locator'' can detect emissions from the black box only if it is within about 1.6 kilometres of its beacon. And it must be towed at a snail-like 5km/h to be effective.

Captain Matthews said the black box's beacon could operate for a maximum of 45 days.

zayonara
I am a bit naive when it comes to these things, but who foots the bill for the search, and its associated expenses? Does it get billed out to the owner of the Airlines, or is it dependent on the final outcome, pending determination of the cause?

Good question. My guess is mostly taxpayers of countries other than Malaysia since other countries are doing most of the searching.

I read somewhere that Malaysia decided not to scramble a military plane to rendezvous with MH370 after it veered off course because it would cost too much and they had limited resources, which would have enabled them to determine the fate of the flight. Now as a result of Malaysia not scrambling a single plane to track MH370, the rest of the world is spending thousands of times as much in search operations as that single flight would have cost Malaysia. It doesn't seem right.

Hunt for missing plane could take weeks or months, minister admits

Zhang Qihuai, the deputy chairman of the Beijing-based Aviation Law Society, said Malaysia had reacted too slowly.

“Emergency action should have been taken immediately after this sudden occurrence. If the Malaysians had deployed planes to search for the missing flight the minute the flight was found to be out of contact, it might have saved a lot of time and effort.”

Ang Haisong, a professor from Nanjing University’s College of Aerospace Engineering, said the country’s “response and performance” was in line with its capabilities. “Malaysia is a small country. It does not have strong navy or air force.”

Mr Hussein defended his country’s response and played down growing Chinese anger. "It is normal in a crisis of this magnitude, as time passes by, for there to be emotions and frustrations," he said.

They even admitted nobody was watching their military radar and only found what they later thought might be MH370 when they reviewed the data after the fact (which is something people should keep in mind when they say how impossible it is for planes to fly past military radar. If the country isn't at war and expecting an attack, we can't even be sure anybody is watching it):

They also admitted that no one had watched the military radar in real time, but had only seen the blip when they checked their records.

qmantoo
The flight recorders run on batteries and so do not give up after 30 days - they wind down after 30 days and may give up sometime after that(some say up to 90 days altogether). There may still be time to find these boxes.

My experience with batteries would suggest that the newer the battery the longer it is likely to last, so a new battery will likely last quite a bit longer than 30 days, but battery replacement programs are probably designed to replace batteries before the battery life would fall below 30 days. The age of those batteries is probably known somewhere, but without more information like that we can't say how much longer than 30 days might be available.

rockflier
reply to post by sy.gunson

 

Sy, I understood your intent and totally agree. In this day of PC we have to watch our 6. Before N7 shut down there were several PIC who received admonishments for what was deemed sexual harassment. Mostly by the "male" cabin crew. BUT the reverse, when female cabin staff directed those things to cockpit crews it was deemed harmless fun by the Management. Ah well, it is all good. Blue skies my friend.

Wasn't even sexual harassment, just a cartoon drawing...

Thought it was a local based cabin crew because I knew all of them but happened to strike some humourless crew from Christchuch.

It was a cartoon portraying a flight attendant telling a passenger "I dodn't have to listen you your BITCH "Because I an Totally in Carge Here ...(B.I T.C.H).

The crew I normally joked with would have exchanged similar jokes back to me, but ah well you always strike someone.

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We can only hope they are looking where they are because of some intelligence perhaps from OTHR which they don't want to disclose publicly.

Re the cost I suspect the credibility of Boeing is on the line here...

It might even be slowly dawning on the Malaysian Government that their flag carrier airline could be declared non gratis for operations to USA and Europe.

There are airlines like Air Jamaica some years back which were banned flying to USA because their safety record was so poor. Europe has imposed bans on several African airlines, not to mention that no way would you get me on one of their flights now.

Did anyone notice Flight MH066 made an emergency landing at Hong Kong on 26th March just days after MH370 because of an inflight generator failure?

It landed on APU power only which is fairly shocking. Every aircraft is supposed to have four generators and possibly is permitted to take off with only three of four working, but this aircraft surely must have flown with only one working plus APU to find itself airborne with nothing left except APU.

This device is the autonomous Bluefin sonar robot.

Bluefin-21 sonar robot

It was developed to search in hostile enemy waters and under the arctic ice shelf.

This is the best hope to locate black boxes right now because it cruises much faster than a towed sonar sled.

It is like an underwater bloodhound. I hope they let it go in the best place.

reply to post by UnixFE


You are very wrong, this could be very true!

Who says the cell is deep underground?! Dark does not = underground far.

It is not a "secret" base like area 51 secret, and their is a civilian population on that island, so most likely there is a mobile phone signal.

The phone was not in his pocket, he said very clearly it was up his ass.

I Do not know much about exif data.



To discount it 100% as unbelievable is pretty ignorant, its unlikely its true but most definitely not improbably.

boaby_phet
reply to post by UnixFE

 

You are very wrong, this could be very true!

Who says the cell is deep underground?! Dark does not = underground far.

It is not a "secret" base like area 51 secret, and their is a civilian population on that island, so most likely there is a mobile phone signal.

The phone was not in his pocket, he said very clearly it was up his ass.

I Do not know much about exif data.



To discount it 100% as unbelievable is pretty ignorant, its unlikely its true but most definitely not improbably.

I was reading about the EXIF data. I don't own any cell phone, never mind an an advanced iphone, and my digital camera is an older model which doesn't have gps information in the EXIF information. However I read that someone was able to change the gps EXIF data quite easily in the Picasa3 photo program by Google. I have Picasa3 and looked at some of my photos for the EXIF data, but nothing in there about gps coordinates because my camera is too old. Can someone verify that it's possible to change the EXIF gps coordinates using Picasa3 or any other photo hosting site?

Well, so after 3 1/2 weeks of thinking "Alright, good night" were the last spoken words... we find out that like everything else, this is not true.

PETALING JAYA: The Transport Ministry has confirmed that the last conversation between Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 and air traffic control was at 1.19am and the last words spoken were "Goodnight Malaysian three seven zero"

www.thestar.com.my...

I am not sure what kind of plane this is but this just happened this morning in Honolulu on a flight bound for L.A. How do you find the make of the plane/s involved here?

RSOE - EDIS

Some tourists, after a sunny, relaxing vacation in Hawaii, were met with unwelcomed excitement when their United flight 1221 took off from Honolulu, Hawaii, headed to Los Angeles, California. The crew and passengers experienced a scare in the sky today when the flight had to turn around and make an emergency landing where it was met by Honolulu fire trucks.

"The alarm went off, and there was a strange smell which is hard to explain, and the cabin had lost pressure," said eTN Publisher Juergen Steinmetz, who was a passenger on the flight. At 1:34 pm (Hawaii Standard Time), the Honolulu Fire Department was onboard investigating the aircraft. "The plane was too heavy when it landed," Steinmetz texted. "A 'heavy landing' is how United is describing it.

"The plane now needs to be checked to make sure there's no 'structural damage,' meaning we do not know when we will take off again." All passengers were subsequently deplaned and have since been told they are now scheduled to board at 3 pm Hawaii Standard Time.

In the meantime, another United flight from Honolulu to Guam had to be canceled due to a technical issue. Those passengers are being put up in a hotel. At 3:52 pm, the aircraft pulled back from Gate 10 without any passengers and took a short test flight. About a half hour later, it was announced that passengers would soon be able to board the aircraft, but that was quickly followed up with a new announcement that the pilot had decided not to fly the plane to Los Angeles. It was a good news, bad news scenario, as the airline representative said that was the bad news, but the good news was that they had chartered a different aircraft to make the flight.