Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

You can call me crazy but I think if the plane had crashed into the Indian Ocean there would have been much more clearer indications of it happening such as debris washing up on coasts, cargo or the bodies of those on board. Something in the back of my mind made me think back to the Frederick Valentich case. Is it completely out of the question that something similar could have happened?

Valentich disappearance

reply to post by drwill


Yah, translated from english to mandarin then back to english again. Worst part is that even if the first transcript was official it could have been scrubbed and/or mis-translated 2 times.

Take it for what it is I guess.

reply to post by QueenofSpades


Pakistan is probably a red herring so far as the families of the passengers are concerned. More likely the general and others who bring up Pakistan have specific agendas in mind. This answer to the conundrum of what lies behind the disappearance (not to mention the location of the plane) will be complex. But the driving forces, the dynamics at play if you will are in fact pretty easy to understand once you have gone down the so called rabbit hole, and give up on a few of the illusions we have had impressed on us since first grade.

reply to post by sy.gunson

Nothing of the sort intended.

reply to post by OatDelphi


Yeah. I guess the Malaysians could produce a copy of tower tapes, but that would be too logical.

Tallone
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And how is that relevant to the disappearance of MH 370 you may well ask. I would just say, the first rule of journalism is to follow the money trail.

OK I'm following the money. This Canadian company FLYHT, makes live streaming flight data systems and they're claiming their technology would have eliminated the mystery of where MH370 is. Here's an article about their claim and a link for their website.

Canadian company Flyht Aerospace Solutions makes the Automated Flight Information System, or AFIRS, which automatically monitors data such as location, altitude, and performance. And it can live stream information when something goes wrong. Flyht director Richard Hayden contends that we would have more answers today if that technology had been on Flight 370. Read more: fox40.com...

fox40.com...

But the capability does exist, although the vast majority of airlines have failed to deploy it; no surprise since the commercial aviation community traditionally has been slow to embrace any sort of change, even when it can enhance safety and improve operating efficiency.

www.forbes.com...

Canadian company Flyht Aerospace Solutions makes the Automated Flight Information System, or AFIRS, which automatically monitors data such as location, altitude, and performance. And it can live stream information when something goes wrong. Flyht director Richard Hayden contends that we would have more answers today if that technology had been on Flight 370.

money.cnn.com...

flyht.com...
flyht.com...

So if MH370 is never found, this new technology will be pushed as a solution. I wonder who this Richard Hayden guy is? Maybe he has connections with government types.
Richard Hayden on LinkIn.
www.linkedin.com...

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Interesting info. Not saying it shouldn't be taken into account. However, it is very easy to get lost amongst the trees, and forget we are in a forest.

Keep in mind here. It is 2014. We have satellites in space that can take detailed photos of the surface of a comet traveling at fantastic speed through space. We can photograph the entire surface of the globe using a variety of technology. We also have the ability to 'see' below the surface of the sea as well as the land.

There has never been a passenger plane with over 200 people aboard lost for longer than 3 days! Correct me if I am wrong.

And yet, we are now 2 weeks into the disappearance of this plane without apparently a trace to be found. There really are no satisfactory excuses or explanations for the lunatic script of ineptitude and (I say) blatant deception they have been feeding us on an hour by hour basis.

reply to post by drwill


According to a documentary on this on CH5 UK, the communication WASN'T routine, this should have been reported as soon as it was known.

Essentially, the voice recognition (or at least authorities are IDing) of the co-pilot saying ''good night'' wasn't routine as he didn't add the ID code that he should have said, it was too informal.

Such information is vital to investigations and was obviously known BEFORE it was released to media. This was known that it WASN'T ROUTINE yet some reports are downplaying as ''routine''.

It adds another notch to the 'things being hidden' in the whole charade.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

It includes communications when the plane is believed by investigators to have already been sabotaged and the last words of Fariq Abdul Hamid, the 27-year-old co-pilot: “All right, good night”.

Last night analysts said the sequence of messages appeared to be “perfectly routine”.

reply to post by Mikeultra

Richard Hayden, Richard Hayden is educated as a mechanical engineer with a BS degree from Norwich University and an MS from Purdue University. Richard Hayden was the founder and CEO of Technology Integration Inc. ("TII") from 1984 to 1995 at which time TII was acquired by Goodrich Corporation ("GR":NYSE). Mr. Hayden remained with GR until 2001 at which time he became an independent business consultant. In 2002, Mr. Hayden joined Meggitt plc (MGGT:L) holding various positions until June 30, 2008 including Vice President, Strategic Programs. He joined the Corporation on July 1, 2008.

www.passfail.com...

Nothing at a first glance looks sketchy, probably just another one of these crisis vultures who will now apply this newly gained leverage to make millions.

reply to post by OatDelphi

All national defense contractors? Along with Iridium (if our satellites were up there that plane wouldn't have been lost). Defense from space?

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I don't know anything about the lingo (it would be interesting if we had transcripts from the pilots' other flights--just after take off), so this is very interesting. If you hear more, let us know.

This other woman mentioned in the article about FLYHT, her name is Mary Schiavo. She used to be Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Transportation. Appointed by George H.W. Bush!

In 1990 President of the United States George H.W. Bush appointed Schiavo as the Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Transportation. Schiavo began campaigns to curb the sale of unapproved aircraft parts. The investigations under Schiavo, by 1996, lead to over 150 criminal convictions and over $47 million USD in restitutions and fines. The resulting prison sentences from the convictions ranged up to five years per person.

en.wikipedia.org...

Still, former Inspector General of the Department of Transportation Mary Schiavo says carriers won't get on board with live streaming technology unless they have to. "[Airlines are] very cost sensitive. They simply will not add additional safety measures unless mandated by the Federal Government," said Schiavo.

money.cnn.com...

It sounds like she's hawking this new AFIRS data system made by FLYHT. And she says "the airlines will not get on board with the new systems unless mandated by the federal government! I see where this going...

civpop

iprotectwildlife
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I am not sure if your response is agreeing with me OR are you asking for an explanation

Sorry no I'm not asking for an explanation just guessing maybe it was a test run to see if it could be done, sorry :-)

Agreeing on the dry run theory :-)

edit on 20-3-2014 by civpop because: (no reason given)

Could be a test run to see if they could switch the oxygen for a kind of gas?

theabsolutetruth
Essentially, the voice recognition (or at least authorities are IDing) of the co-pilot saying ''good night'' wasn't routine as he didn't add the ID code that he should have said, it was too informal.

Such information is vital to investigations and was obviously known BEFORE it was released to media. This was known that it WASN'T ROUTINE yet some reports are downplaying as ''routine''.

When I fly sometimes I can listen to the cockpit communications with ATC on one of the audio channels, and yes they routinely say the flight ID in the transmission per procedure, but it's not that uncommon for them to forget to do it once in a while, and especially if it's a non-critical communication like "good night", that's not going to cause any accidents like the wrong aircraft acknowledging say an altitude change might.

Some pilots have said yes it's not "by the book" but it's not that unusual either:

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Stephen Buzdygan, a former British Airways pilot who piloted Boeing 777s....

Hamid, a 27-year-old flying enthusiast, gave routine accounts of the plane’s location, ascent and altitude. Though he took a slightly casual approach and at times departed from formal wording, nothing in his banter gives any sign that the plane was about to fly off course and disappear.

"The communication up until the plane went to the changeover [to Vietnam] sounds totally normal,” Mr Buzdygan said. “That kind of banter – I’ve done it hundreds of times. It is perfectly normal.”

But I've been thinking about the different interests at play here and there may certainly be some bias:

-The airline wouldn't want us to think it's the fault of their maintenance or the pilots.
-Boeing wouldn't want us to think it's the aircraft (which by the way we haven't heard much press about the airworthiness directive on that plane, which could be related).
-etc

If the aircraft is never found these parties would have an interest in uncertainties being biased in their favor.

Mikeultra
This other woman mentioned in the article about FLYHT, her name is Mary Schiavo. She used to be Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Transportation. Appointed by George H.W. Bush!

Yup she's the lady who's had her hip attached to CNN every night of their coverage. But these type people normally offer their time because they have books to sell or companies to pimp.

It's all par for the course in my opinion.

Arbitrageur--->Some pilots have said yes it's not "by the book" but it's not that unusual either.

Non standard communication is not unusual at all in that part of the world.

Richard Hayden worked for the Goodrich Corporation and Meggitt PLC, both aerospace type firms.

B.F. Goodrich by then exited the tire business entirely, in line with its plan to build its chemicals and aerospace businesses through reinvestment and acquisitions.[9] In 1997 it acquired Rohr, a maker of jet aircraft engine nacelles (the aerodynamic structures that surround aircraft engines), expanding its presence in integrated aircraft components industry.[15] In 1999 it acquired Charlotte, North Carolina-based Coltec Industries for $2.2 billion in stock and assumed debt, making the former tire maker the No. 1 supplier of landing gear and other aircraft parts.[16] Headquarters were moved to Charlotte following this merger.[17] In 2001 the Company divested its specialty chemicals business to focus on aerospace and industrial products and, to signify the completion of its transformation, it was renamed Goodrich Corporation and adopted a new logo.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.meggitt.com...

MH370 could be the victim of corporate greed.

reply to www.airfleets.net...://www.airfleets.net/flightlog/index.php?file=result&app=b 777&msn=28420.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1001219/pg264#pid17695333" target="_blank" class="postlink">post by Seek_Truth


www.airfleets.net...

Flight mh130 last route prior to beijing route 2 months out of service and KL airport code not kul ? With omitted information left blank from departure point 4 days after maersk Alabama incident..raises some eyebrows don't you think ?

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Just about every ancient and modern conflict has been due to greed.

Tesla proved 50 years ago that energy could be free, yet we are still on a greed based system.

It sucks, but short of a major revolution nothing will change.

Is it just me that finds it strange that CNN is invited to film aboard a P8 Poseiden aircraft off of Florida on a demonstration flight? I think it's pure propaganda! Since when are news reporters allowed on top notch Naval aircraft?