Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by sy.gunson

Well, thanks for the time zone updating, lol.

Lots of tidbits coming out now.

It has been said one of the pieces has coloring on it resembling the airliner.

A US plane entering the area has now confirmed large pieces have been identified.

I guess this means now, simply contacting that merchant ship to pick up the pieces now is all that's needed.

I was a bit taken aback, because when I saw the images posted, I saw the colors of the jetliner, as well. It made me upset. I hope it is the plane, then again... that means bad news. Sigh. Such a roller coaster.

Another presser in minutes on Fox News. They are doing an exemplary job with this, IMO.

ETA I think the presser is with Malaysian trasportation officials.

On now.


Australian PM called PM of Malaysia at 10am.

Australia conducting search with NZ US.

The images were captured by Sat, were captured, 4 aircraft have been reoriented. Another 4 aircraft have been sent. The Poseidon expected to arrive this afternoon.

Hercules to drop buoys to assist in drift modelling.

Merchant ship to arrive this afternoon.

Another ship, several days away, but well equipped to retrieve pieces.

Multinational effort. Names many countries.

25 aircraft in southern corridor. All 18 ships in southern corridor. 6 helicoptors.

China using 21 satellites.

Many countries using much resources in their own territories. Searches will continue until find confirmed.

Thankful for all help.

High level team leaving for Bejing, for families. Team also there, in Malaysia.

The one piece of information we want most is what everyone else wants, to find the aircraft.

Now Q&A session

He listed all assets, and not deintensifying, but intensifying leads according to Australian leads.

There is a credible lead, at least there is hope. Hoping to find black box. Must never give up hope.

Duty roster was released, nothing strange about it.

Question answered in another language.

Much I could not type, but this was the gist of it.

Perhaps someone can post a link for the video.

reply to post by option158

My bad, I apologize. I'm getting tired & cranky and the coffee is no longer working... Thought you were trying to present your link as if I was spewing BS or something.

reply to post by Libertygal


This will be another dead end

Ok, so I just spotted this in a Google search for news related to MH370 in the last hour. I suspect, it is total BS, as I haven't been able to find the proper source link for the "original" source of the story. But, I'll share it anyway:

"March 20 2014 Breaking News MH370 Pilot Home flight simulator had USA Military base Diego Garcia"

There's not real story text posted there, just that title and an embedded YouTube video about Diego Garcia - not really about Diego Garcia in an MH370 context. Also, it's a ".RU" site - so take it with a grain of Crimean salt.

reply to post by EnhancedInterrogator

Ooops, found it. Maybe 2-two old "news" sorry.
MH370: Diego Garcia runway found in Captain Zaharie's flight simulator?

I don't know how far into the realms of fantasy I am here but I suspect the plane was remotely taken over and switched on to a pre-set flight path. At least they made sure there would be no survivors by taking it up to 40,000 feet before bringing it down and shooting it over the sea until it ran out of fuel. Casting aspersions on the pilots with help from a very eager media (three days after it went missing Australian media put the very first, very tabloid story out - girls in cockpits etc). Malaysia seems to have been the only country that tried to do the right thing. The story got muddied when the US got involved with the Malaysians appearing to be bumbling idiots and then cleared again once (I suspect) the US completely took over. The NYT ran a front page headline that the flight was hijacked not 12 hours after the Malaysian PM said it was a possibility that had to be enterained amongst a whole range of possibilities. He NEVER said it had been hijacked but the NYT did.

reply to post by Splodge


You're right, he never said the word hi-jack. But he did say it was "deliberate".

reply to post by Splodge

I agree with you. Much, if not all, of the personal targetting of the pilot and copilot was done by US media. That's a sad thing, and the first thing that was said was, "Hey these guys were Muslims!"

I was, and remain, offended. Being Muslim does not mean they did anything to intentionally harm those people, or to take the plane. It had nothing to do with anything. Granted, they needed to research their backgrounds, but had they been Christians, we would never have heard word one about it.

I hope they have found the plane, if nothing more than for resolution for the families. I hope, that upon finding the plane, they find the black boxes as well, and they answer the questions we all have. They said only two hours may have been recorded, so we may, or may not ever get answers.

If we do, I hope they have the answers that prove the pilots' innocence. He never behaved as anything but a professional. He should not be assailed because of his religion.

OatDelphi
reply to post by Splodge

 

Your right, he never said the word hi-jack. But he did say it was "deliberate".

True. Deliberate also has many definitions at this point. He could have deliberately steered away from populous areas to prevent further loss of life, or acted deliberately, under duress.

We can only speculate, until we know facts.

WanDash
reply to post by Libertygal

 

We had reports that the Malaysian Military radar clocked this flight (meaning, minimally - an unexpected signal) heading across the Malaysian Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca at/about 2:15 a.m. (local time), which was about 2 hours into the flight.
We likewise, have the Thai Military saying their radar spotted the 'odd' flight heading in said direction...
So - if it was not MH-370...then...maybe...there's another plane we should be looking for...and...MH-370 was really hijacked...as a...DECOY.
...
Guess we'll see what story they tell us is...official...soon enough.

I think we may be the subject of a magicians slight-of-hand trick too. While we are concentrating on one aircraft, there is another out there as well. This would explain the confusion and the misinformation because the authorities do not know which is which at this point.

There are too many fishermen and others who have reported low flying aircraft in possibly totally different areas. There are many aspects to this mystery and they all have to have explanations which fit the facts and radar returns.

In the passenger compartments the O2 lasts 10 minutes for the passengers generated by chemicals not from a pressurised bottle and is delivered in 3 sections, not all from the same chemical source and the cabin crew's O2 bottles last a couple of hours I believe I read.

from pprune forum

Being familiar with the type, at the 230-240 tons that the aircraft weighed one hour into flight the performance limited altitude would have been between 38,000 and 39,000 ft, increasing about 10,000 ft for every 10 tons of fuel burned.

Normal takeoff fuel would have been in the range of 44-47 tons.

To climb significantly above these altitudes is not possible because the engines would not be able to develop the required thrust and the wing would not have been able to generate the required lift, both of which reduce with increased altitude.

To be able to climb to 45,000 ft (which is 2,000 ft above the certified ceiling of this 777) the weight would have to be reduced to approx. 165 tons; in other words the weight of the aircraft, payload and virtually no fuel .

However from one of sy.gunson's post I think

If however the engines are still developing thrust, with enough altitude and provided it had not entered a spin the aircraft would just fly out of the stall and recover to basically stable flight.

Securit y Expert: Plane could not reach search zone without 'human intervention'

AUSTRALIAN security expert Neil Fergus says if two objects spotted off the coast of Perth are confirmed as belonging to MH370 then its location would rule out any possibility of a technical error.

Mr Fergus, who was Director of Intelligence for Sydney’s 2000 Olympics, told Australia's Channel 9 that a catastrophic malfunction on MH370 would mean the plane couldn’t have flown all the way to where the debris has been spotted.

The Bangkok-based specialist said it could only have occurred with human involvement – either by passengers, crew or pilots Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah and Fariq Abdul Hamid.

‘If this debris does turn out to be the missing MH370 then, given its location, we can definitely rule out technical malfunction,’ he said.

‘There is no way with (some) sort of technical calamity or fire that it could have travelled to where it appears to be. It would in the first instance confirm human intervention.’

The satellite images were taken four days ago, but only recently been analysed.

One of the objects is estimated to be 78ft (24m) in size and the sighting of the objects was said by Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott to be 'credible and potentially important'.

Mr Fergus said the Australian government would now focus on finding the plane’s black box, which would finally reveal what fate befell the Malaysian Airways flight.

‘The Orion will do a low-vis check that will be much clearer of course than the resolution from the satellite,’ he said.

‘And then they will drop sonar buoys, which have a particular relevance because black box recorders have a battery life of around 30 days… and it should pick up an emission coming from there.

‘It will confirm the location of the black box which is the key to unravelling this horrible mystery.’

reply to post by OatDelphi


Yes, correction, he said they could not discount it was deliberate but that it was only one of a myriad possibilities. The NYT clarified this but only if you read beyond the very misleading headline saying it HAD been hijacked.

The Straits Times is reporting the Malaysian Acting Transport Minister has promised to fly the families to Perth if the debris is that of MH370.

www.straitstimes.com...

Australia is about to become the centre of the universe

reply to post by Libertygal


I still reckon it was hacked or the computer was somehow pre-programmed without the knowledge of the pilots to kill all on board then crash. I don't even know if this is possible.

Splodge
reply to post by Libertygal

 

I still reckon it was hacked or the computer was somehow pre-programmed without the knowledge of the pilots to kill all on board then crash. I don't even know if this is possible.

According to a news article I read, it was not only possible, but warned about, around a year ago, I will see if I can dig up the article for you.

ETA links

www.engadget.com...

2008 article

www.express.co.uk...

patdollard.com...

www.federalregister.gov... ronic-system

The last article is sourced multiple times, but Boeing themselves warned the system was able to be hacked in 2013.

Libertygal

OatDelphi
reply to post by Splodge

 

Your right, he never said the word hi-jack. But he did say it was "deliberate".

True. Deliberate also has many definitions at this point. He could have deliberately steered away from populous areas to prevent further loss of life, or acted deliberately, under duress.

We can only speculate, until we know facts.

I agree, most pilots would do what ever they could to land passengers and crew safely. There's a chance the pilot could have gone rogue but we will only know that when the flight recorder is recovered.

Even if it's 'just a crash' from some ind of malfunction, no doubt plenty of folks will be saying it wasn't the real debris.

on page 327 of pprune there is a suggestion that one of the pices may be the tail section with a MAS logo on it. It looks quite convincing.

reply to post by qmantoo


I was just about to head over there and sift through the posts but you've saved me the trouble. Thanks.

Apparently CCTV is reporting the US 7th Fleet spokesman has confirmed they are at the site and located the debris.

reply to post by Libertygal


Thanks for the links, Libertygal. Seems to suggest it is possible and aircraft rely on properly secured networks to prevent it. It seems a bit iffy to me that it is possible at all but I guess that is the way of technology, it's always going to be vulnerable to some degree or other.

Just perusing some other sites and the conspiracy minds are already saying this 'find' is suspect
Someone was saying that the airline/authorities probably placed debris there and say they have found some debris because the pressure and questions and accusations are becoming too much.

I doubt that but until this has been confirmed I suppose people will keep wildly speculating

reply to post by OatDelphi


rock and roll OatDelphi.. peace