Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

Soloprotocol
The Pilot is responsible for deliberately destroying this aircraft and killing all on board...My worry is. Has he been training future Kamikaze pilots to do the same...?

Just a Hunch.

I just don't see the pilot suicide thing at all... why go through all the trouble turning off transponders and flying various heights and routes for hours, if all he's after is to die and kill people, push the yoke and throttle full forward and run full speed into the ground/water - takes a few seconds - minutes at most.

Just because they can track that, doesn't mean they can do anything about it - why would the dead pilot care how it "went down" literally?.

puntito

judydawg

Phage
reply to post by puntito

 

Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

Good question. Why bother?
At 35,000 feet unconsciousness occurs in less than one minute.

And the cabin crew has their own tanks to move round with.

So they shoot the windows.
Then they knock out the crew
Steal their tanks.
Then take over the plane.
Destroy the passenger oxygen system
Fly higher, as high as it goes.
Then go to lower height so they can breath and stand the cold
Fill the windows with whatever is available.
Climb back with the plane pressurized again
Can't help it. It is too easy.

They don't have to blow out the windows to cut the oxygen to the passengers. Just turn it off like they did the other controls. Although the mask would fall down anyway. By now you are under control. I believe ( tell me if I am wrong) I believe the flight crew can depressurize (sp) the plane and use their own tanks.

puntito

Ivar_Karlsen

puntito

judydawg

Phage
reply to post by puntito

 

Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

Good question. Why bother?
At 35,000 feet unconsciousness occurs in less than one minute.

And the cabin crew has their own tanks to move round with.

So they shoot the windows.
Then they knock out the crew
Steal their tanks.
Then take over the plane.
Destroy the passenger oxygen system
Fly higher, as high as it goes.
Then go to lower height so they can breath and stand the cold
Fill the windows with whatever is available.
Climb back with the plane pressurized again
Can't help it. It is too easy.

Turning off the airconditioning pacs, and open the outflow valves would do.
No need to crack Windows.

Don't tell me that that is possible from inside the cabin.
I can't believe it that is a flaw.

You need to be in the cockpit to do that.

reply to post by qd22vcc


Only thing I can find on this is from beforeitsnews, not a reliable source.

reply to post by judydawg


Whats the motive for the flight crew to do this? and what would they be getting out of this whole situation? if they did it?

Ivar_Karlsen

puntito

Ivar_Karlsen

puntito

judydawg

Phage
reply to post by puntito

 

Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

Good question. Why bother?
At 35,000 feet unconsciousness occurs in less than one minute.

And the cabin crew has their own tanks to move round with.

So they shoot the windows.
Then they knock out the crew
Steal their tanks.
Then take over the plane.
Destroy the passenger oxygen system
Fly higher, as high as it goes.
Then go to lower height so they can breath and stand the cold
Fill the windows with whatever is available.
Climb back with the plane pressurized again
Can't help it. It is too easy.

Turning off the airconditioning pacs, and open the outflow valves would do.
No need to crack Windows.

Don't tell me that that is possible from inside the cabin.
I can't believe it that is a flaw.

You need to be in the cockpit to do that.

Why would an aircraft builder want the pilot to be able to
depressurize a passenger plane at 35000 feet?
That is a safety issue, i am an engineer myself, and give
stars to the one who gives me the right motive

Ivar_Karlsen

puntito

Ivar_Karlsen

puntito

judydawg

Phage
reply to post by puntito

 

Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

Good question. Why bother?
At 35,000 feet unconsciousness occurs in less than one minute.

And the cabin crew has their own tanks to move round with.

So they shoot the windows.
Then they knock out the crew
Steal their tanks.
Then take over the plane.
Destroy the passenger oxygen system
Fly higher, as high as it goes.
Then go to lower height so they can breath and stand the cold
Fill the windows with whatever is available.
Climb back with the plane pressurized again
Can't help it. It is too easy.

Turning off the airconditioning pacs, and open the outflow valves would do.
No need to crack Windows.

Don't tell me that that is possible from inside the cabin.
I can't believe it that is a flaw.

You need to be in the cockpit to do that.

or get offered alot of money, anybody will do anything for the right amount, don't forget, they were flying a few of a million pounds worth of jet, plus 20 experts in invisibility tech, if you offered each pilot 1 million £ (or equivalent) i'm sure a new life in a random part of the world with enough money to live happy,

that would do it.....

qd22vcc
Still convinced they know where its at...they get the pings saying its alive...so the pings give off a general areA....if it crashed then maybe you see a couple pings in same area before its not "alive" anymore....but if it landed they would see where the pings are til maybe someone can replace it in the aircraft?

The trouble with the 'pings' is that they were never intended to locate things. The pings are not coming from an area but the angle of the aircraft (I think)
So you do calculations depending on where the satellite was and the angle that the aircraft was to it. This gives a very rough area over a vast arc.

The plane could also have stopped flying before the last ping, which means there are more 'arcs' that will have been plotted, there could be four or five of these 2000 mile arcs that have to be searched. Only the arc for the last ping has been released in public.

reply to post by puntito


Safety feature to put out a cabin fire. Depressurize and starve it of oxygen before it burns through the skin and destroys the aircraft in flight.

reply to post by puntito


pressure controller failure
Some engine(s) problem

reply to post by DrHammondStoat


Reports are that it could have flown on for another 500 miles after the last ping with sufficient fuel.

The arcs are created using sets of data which eliminates other possibilities and concluded the arcs as the potential ping location.

www.independent.co.uk... at-would-their-plans-be-and-how-can-a-plane-just-vanish-9194501.html

Why 'two corridors'?

The calculation has been made from the distance of the plane from a geo-stationary satellite 22,250 miles above the Indian Ocean, which produces a circle with a radius of about 5,000 miles. Using other data, the possible locations have been narrowed down to a northern arc and a southern arc of this circle. The northern arc runs from northern Thailand via south-west China to southern Kazakhstan. The southern arc extends south from western Java into Indian Ocean, passing about 1,000 miles from the coast of Western Australia.

Does that mean the aircraft is somewhere along those lines?

Not necessarily. The last “ping” was at 8.11am, Malaysian time. Another signal was sent out by satellite one hour later, and no response was received. But in that time, the jet could have travelled up to 500 miles in any direction – subject to having sufficient fuel.

puntito

Ivar_Karlsen

puntito

Ivar_Karlsen

puntito

judydawg

Phage
reply to post by puntito

 

Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

Good question. Why bother?
At 35,000 feet unconsciousness occurs in less than one minute.

And the cabin crew has their own tanks to move round with.

So they shoot the windows.
Then they knock out the crew
Steal their tanks.
Then take over the plane.
Destroy the passenger oxygen system
Fly higher, as high as it goes.
Then go to lower height so they can breath and stand the cold
Fill the windows with whatever is available.
Climb back with the plane pressurized again
Can't help it. It is too easy.

Turning off the airconditioning pacs, and open the outflow valves would do.
No need to crack Windows.

Don't tell me that that is possible from inside the cabin.
I can't believe it that is a flaw.

Fire, structural damage, engine starts are always done with pacs off. All pressurized airliners to turn the pacs and bleeds on and off as needed, and to operate the outflow valves in manual mode.

edit on 16-3-2014 by Ivar_Karlsen because: (no reason given)

i am an engineer myself, and give stars to the one who gives me the right motive

Your are an aircraft engineer?

reply to post by puntito


Fire, structural damage, engine starts are always done with pacs off. In all pressurized airliners it is possible to turn the pacs and bleeds on and off as needed, and to operate the outflow valves in manual mode.

Phatdamage

Ivar_Karlsen

puntito

Ivar_Karlsen

puntito

judydawg

Phage
reply to post by puntito

 

Why would the pilot climb to over 45000 feet?

Good question. Why bother?
At 35,000 feet unconsciousness occurs in less than one minute.

And the cabin crew has their own tanks to move round with.

So they shoot the windows.
Then they knock out the crew
Steal their tanks.
Then take over the plane.
Destroy the passenger oxygen system
Fly higher, as high as it goes.
Then go to lower height so they can breath and stand the cold
Fill the windows with whatever is available.
Climb back with the plane pressurized again
Can't help it. It is too easy.

Turning off the airconditioning pacs, and open the outflow valves would do.
No need to crack Windows.

Don't tell me that that is possible from inside the cabin.
I can't believe it that is a flaw.

You need to be in the cockpit to do that.

or get offered alot of money, anybody will do anything for the right amount, don't forget, they were flying a few of a million pounds worth of jet, plus 20 experts in invisibility tech, if you offered each pilot 1 million £ (or equivalent) i'm sure a new life in a random part of the world with enough money to live happy,

that would do it.....

edit on 16/3/14 by Phatdamage because: because i cant spell

If that is the plot, as a pilot I would think they would kill me the moment I hand the plane over, if they don;t care for the fate of 200+ people
As perpetrator i would be scared the pilot would go and talk, so that gives me a weakest link
So this did not happen.

Ivar_Karlsen
reply to post by puntito

 

Fire, structural damage, engine starts are always done with pacs off. In all pressurized airliners it is possible to turn the pacs and bleeds on and off as needed, and to operate the outflow valves in manual mode.

edit on 16-3-2014 by Ivar_Karlsen because: (no reason given)

Stars given for the depressurizing motive
Now why the oxygen masks can be turned off.

UKGuy1805
reply to post by judydawg

 

Whats the motive for the flight crew to do this? and what would they be getting out of this whole situation? if they did it?

That is the million dollar question! And why my friends are so puzzled?

UKGuy1805
reply to post by judydawg

 

Whats the motive for the flight crew to do this? and what would they be getting out of this whole situation? if they did it?

That is the million dollar question. And why my friends as so puzzled. They will be back this week and I will talk to them again and get the lowdown.

theabsolutetruth
reply to post by DrHammondStoat

 

Reports are that it could have flown on for another 500 miles after the last ping with sufficient fuel.

The arcs are created using sets of data which eliminates other possibilities and concluded the arcs as the potential ping location.

www.independent.co.uk... at-would-their-plans-be-and-how-can-a-plane-just-vanish-9194501.html

Why 'two corridors'?

The calculation has been made from the distance of the plane from a geo-stationary satellite 22,250 miles above the Indian Ocean, which produces a circle with a radius of about 5,000 miles. Using other data, the possible locations have been narrowed down to a northern arc and a southern arc of this circle. The northern arc runs from northern Thailand via south-west China to southern Kazakhstan. The southern arc extends south from western Java into Indian Ocean, passing about 1,000 miles from the coast of Western Australia.

Does that mean the aircraft is somewhere along those lines?

Not necessarily. The last “ping” was at 8.11am, Malaysian time. Another signal was sent out by satellite one hour later, and no response was received. But in that time, the jet could have travelled up to 500 miles in any direction – subject to having sufficient fuel.

edit on 16-3-2014 by theabsolutetruth because: (no reason given)

That's a good article.

There must be more corridors / arcs that they have to search based on the other pings. Each ping from the start to the last will have it's own arc as far as I understand it. That's basically a vast, vast area!

puntito

Ivar_Karlsen
reply to post by puntito

 

Fire, structural damage, engine starts are always done with pacs off. In all pressurized airliners it is possible to turn the pacs and bleeds on and off as needed, and to operate the outflow valves in manual mode.

edit on 16-3-2014 by Ivar_Karlsen because: (no reason given)

Stars given for the depressurizing motive
Now why the oxygen masks can be turned off.

Pax oxygen are oxygen generators, once activated there's no way to turn them off before they are empty.
Some (very few) airliners have oxygen bottles for the passengers, i'm not aware of any way of turning them off from inside the cabin/cockpit.