US Army Vet cuts down Mexican Flag flying over American Flag

reply to post by crazyewok


Planting your flag is a way of claiming property rights.

By deliberately flying the Mexican flag over the US flag, this guys was claiming his tavern as Mexican territory. Flags are used to communicate, and that was asking for a fight.

Go to another country and hang your countries flag over their flag outside of your residence and see what happens. If this was a Frenchman flying his French Flag over the British flag outside of his pub in Britain, what do you think would have happened?

That yapper who came out with his tail between his legs and picked up his flag is lucky he is still alive.

50 years ago, this punk who put his flag up over ours would have most likely at least gotten the dog snot stomped out of him, and a 100 years ago, shot, and his business burned down. And that goes for pretty much any country. We have become a kinder and gentler nation,

But some things shouldn't be tolerated.

Uh huh. And 50 years ago men beat their wives. Gays were severely harassed at will. Do I even have to go into the lives of blacks then? Times change.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Zip ties, when considered by weight, are ridiculously expensive.

This story is almost 7 years old now.

Not sure if anyone pointed it out, as I'm not going to read 10 pages of people arguing that "it's only a flag".

alldaylong
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

The U.S. flag design is influenced by the family coat of arms of George Washington's English ancestors.
I thought Americans were happy to cut all ties with England, so why are they getting so upset about a flag based on English nobility ?

where did you get that, do you mean that the idea first came about from a play in 1876. which there is no reason to think that play was historically accurate just about a hundred years after the fact.

The idea that it inspired the design of the American flag dates to the celebratory and patriotic climate of the year 1876, which saw the publication of Washington: A Drama in Five Acts, a drama in verse by the popular English poet Martin Farquhar Tupper. In it, Benjamin Franklin proclaims that the design of the Stars and Stripes was based on the coat of arms of George Washington. "We, and not he—it was unknown to him," Franklin says, "took up his coat of arms, and multiplied and magnified it every way to this, our glorious national banner." The play was widely performed, and its message resonated with the American public. The story was repeated many times, including regularly in the popular children's magazine St. Nicholas.
Coat of arms of George Washington

The origin of the stars and stripes design is inadequately documented. The apocryphal story credits Betsy Ross for sewing the first flag from a pencil sketch handed to her by George Washington. No evidence for this exists; indeed, nearly a century had passed before Ross' grandson, William Canby, first publicly suggested it.[71] Another woman, Rebecca Young, has also been credited as having made the first flag by later generations of her family. Young's daughter was Mary Pickersgill, who made the Star Spangled Banner Flag.[72][73] According to rumor, the Washington family coat of arms, shown in a 15th-century window of Selby Abbey, was the origin of the stars and stripes.[74]
Flag of the United States

It is clear that Francis Hopkinson of New Jersey, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, designed the 1777 flag[75] while he was the Chairman of the Continental Navy Board's Middle Department, sometime between his appointment to that position in November 1776 and the time that the flag resolution was adopted in June 1777. This contradicts the Betsy Ross legend, which suggests that she sewed the first Stars and Stripes flag by request of the government in the Spring of 1776.[76][77] Hopkinson was the only person to have made such a claim during his own lifetime, when he sent a bill to Congress for his work. He asked for a "Quarter Cask of the Public Wine" as payment initially. The payment was not made, however, because it was determined he had already received a salary as a member of Congress, and he was not the only person to have contributed to the design.[78]
Flag of the United States

reply to post by MyHappyDogShiner


Have them send me the bill for the zip ties. (I'll frame that, too)

I'll be happy to cover the cost.

reply to post by jimmyx


Heres a link to the story...

Snopes.com

buster2010

Americans would call it the flag but someone from another nation would just call it a flag.

I agree buster, but I guess my point is you should have a clue to the Customs and Courtesies of the nation you happen to live in. I have lived all over the world and I know this well, and in many countries you would wish it was only some guy going ZZ Top on you and not the more likelihood jail, dismemberment or death.

In this case the guy lives here, put up a flag pole, got flags, a very conscious effort. Now was the guy ignorant that many might find his flag arrangement offensive, or was he sending a message to all? This is something we will never know, but typically it is a message, and if you are sending a message expect a reaction.

poet1b


Go to another country and hang your countries flag over their flag outside of your residence and see what happens. If this was a Frenchman flying his French Flag over the British flag outside of his pub in Britain, what do you think would have happened?

Bad example really as to be honest us Brits don't view the flag the same really as America.

Its just a cultural thing though.

That the thing not all cultures view the flag in the same way. To some its really not considered that important. Not a good or bad thing, just a difference.

If someone moved to America they may not know your custom and may need to be taught it, but if you do teach then you should do it in a respectful way. Im sure the Vet could have tried with a polite talk with the bar owner. Chances are Im sure they would have apologized misunderstanding the custom and corrected there mistake, going in gung ho though likely put the business owners back up and could cause more trouble and resentment down the line.

intrepid
Uh huh. And 50 years ago men beat their wives. Gays were severely harassed at will. Do I even have to go into the lives of blacks then? Times change.

I agree, times change.

I'm not bent over it.

I guess my deep love of my country must look irrational.

reply to post by whyamIhere


As I've stated before, in America no flag should fly over the American flag. Just like in Mexico, the American flag shouldn't be flown over the Mexican flag. Or how the Swedish flag shouldn't be flown over the Norwegian flag in Norway. It's common sense. Whoever does things like that are looking to upset others and should be smacked (not literally) for their stupidity.

reply to post by Auricom


Lets be real here....

Mexicans are the real racists and want to turn the U.S. into mexico. That is why they oppose any and all forms of border security and want nothing more than wide open borders so more and more of their countrymen can come here and turn it into the landfill that mexico is.

They have zero respect for the U.S. and just look at it like a feeding trough. They will do whatever they can to take over the U.S. Hell, there are already numerous areas in TX, CA, NM, and AZ that if you drove through, you wouldnt know what country you were in.

buster2010

There are rules as to how the flag is to be handled and the dummy in the video didn't follow any of them. He disgraced the flag even more than the person flying the Mexican flag. One does not wad the flag up like it paper towel also he should have been placed under arrest for stealing another persons property.

Well actually only if it touched the ground. If he damage it then he would need to burn it, wading it up instead of folding it into a triangle is not looked at being disgraceful unless you stored it in the same fashion.

Now stealing or vandalism, ya I guess....It could have escalated into a fight which would have triggered more of a response from authorities, but I kind of laugh with the number of posts that suggest he should be arrested since this place is most likely a border town and there is some real heinous crap that goes on in those towns and we are going to debate Mr. ZZ Top's criminal activities...

hounddoghowlie

alldaylong
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

The U.S. flag design is influenced by the family coat of arms of George Washington's English ancestors.
I thought Americans were happy to cut all ties with England, so why are they getting so upset about a flag based on English nobility ?

where did you get that, do you mean that the idea first came about from a play in 1876. which there is no reason to think that play was historically accurate just about a hundred years after the fact.

The idea that it inspired the design of the American flag dates to the celebratory and patriotic climate of the year 1876, which saw the publication of Washington: A Drama in Five Acts, a drama in verse by the popular English poet Martin Farquhar Tupper. In it, Benjamin Franklin proclaims that the design of the Stars and Stripes was based on the coat of arms of George Washington. "We, and not he—it was unknown to him," Franklin says, "took up his coat of arms, and multiplied and magnified it every way to this, our glorious national banner." The play was widely performed, and its message resonated with the American public. The story was repeated many times, including regularly in the popular children's magazine St. Nicholas.
Coat of arms of George Washington

The origin of the stars and stripes design is inadequately documented. The apocryphal story credits Betsy Ross for sewing the first flag from a pencil sketch handed to her by George Washington. No evidence for this exists; indeed, nearly a century had passed before Ross' grandson, William Canby, first publicly suggested it.[71] Another woman, Rebecca Young, has also been credited as having made the first flag by later generations of her family. Young's daughter was Mary Pickersgill, who made the Star Spangled Banner Flag.[72][73] According to rumor, the Washington family coat of arms, shown in a 15th-century window of Selby Abbey, was the origin of the stars and stripes.[74]
Flag of the United States

It is clear that Francis Hopkinson of New Jersey, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, designed the 1777 flag[75] while he was the Chairman of the Continental Navy Board's Middle Department, sometime between his appointment to that position in November 1776 and the time that the flag resolution was adopted in June 1777. This contradicts the Betsy Ross legend, which suggests that she sewed the first Stars and Stripes flag by request of the government in the Spring of 1776.[76][77] Hopkinson was the only person to have made such a claim during his own lifetime, when he sent a bill to Congress for his work. He asked for a "Quarter Cask of the Public Wine" as payment initially. The payment was not made, however, because it was determined he had already received a salary as a member of Congress, and he was not the only person to have contributed to the design.[78]
Flag of the United States

edit on 8-3-2014 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)

Is there anything in this Coat Of Arms look familiar?

en.wikipedia.org...

intrepid
Uh huh. And 50 years ago men beat their wives. Gays were severely harassed at will. Do I even have to go into the lives of blacks then? Times change.

I suggest you go into Mexico today and fly an American flag.....

doubletap
reply to post by Auricom

 

Lets be real here....

Mexicans are the real racists and want to turn the U.S. into mexico. That is why they oppose any and all forms of border security and want nothing more than wide open borders so more and more of their countrymen can come here and turn it into the landfill that mexico is.

They have zero respect for the U.S. and just look at it like a feeding trough. They will do whatever they can to take over the U.S. Hell, there are already numerous areas in TX, CA, NM, and AZ that if you drove through, you wouldnt know what country you were in.

They will tell you they will not assimilate.

They claim we stole this land from Mexico.

I had an old Mexican man tell me "we are going to beat you f@$kers this time, and never fire a shot".

intrepid
Uh huh. And 50 years ago men beat their wives. Gays were severely harassed at will. Do I even have to go into the lives of blacks then? Times change.

Our flag and the blood shed in its name doesn't.

reply to post by whyamIhere


Judging from the sentiments in this thread, i think one key piece of understanding is missing...

Americans don't get that their flag means nothing outside of their country. And, given the current political climate around the globe, the US flag is now a sign of ignorance and arrogance rather than "freedom" and liberty.

Obviously the veteran acted on his emotion without thinking.

What's next? Is he going to go around town vandalizing businesses that have Spanish advertisements?

noonebutme
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

Judging from the sentiments in this thread, i think one key piece of understanding is missing...

Americans don't get that their flag means nothing outside of their country. And, given the current political climate around the globe, the US flag is now a sign of ignorance and arrogance rather than "freedom" and liberty.

Yet you sense no irony in your own statement?