Kerry to visit Ukraine on Tuesday in show of support following Russian seizure

beezzer
Russia gets Crimea. Maybe Ukraine. The US is not going to lift a finger.

Sending Neville Chaimberlain I mean, Kerry, won't amount to a hill of beans.

Our President's foreign policy...

Salamandy
reply to post by beezzer

 

Good, there is no need for us to get involved in any way. Our American service men are more valuable than the need for the media to stir the pot and sell headlines.

I agree with you 100 percent about Kerry keeping his butt in the states and his mouth shut. Really, what good does that do besides possibly cause trouble and drag us in.

I didn't vote Obama but on this issue I like him keeping his mouth shut like a man who knows how to avoid unnecessary drama. It's fun to watch war hawks whine and shrivel up like the witch in wizard of oz when they don't get some blood spillage from their young country men and women.

I guess you missed the whole "Neville Chamberlain" reference.

so when does alCIAduh show up to the partay...
or is that just when McCain goes out to the dance?...

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Might be a good idea to send him 19th century style in this:

at least when he arrives it should all be over ,or god forbid he is lost at sea

Danbones
so when does alCIAduh show up to the partay...
or is that just when McCain goes out to the dance?...

That would be Saudi Arabia's GIPda.

His elevation to chief of Saudi Arabia's vast intelligence network, and the unlimited funds it controls, Read more: www.upi.com...

A WikiLeaks released memo from the United States Secretary of State sent in 2009 asserted that the primary source of funding of Sunni terrorist groups worldwide was Saudi Arabia.[68]

en.wikipedia.org...

Also quite a few people overlook that the RUSSIAN INVASION of Afghanistan created the mujahideen that fought the Soviets, and it was not until Russia left Afghanistan did AQ form.

With lots of help from Pakistans ISI and lot's of help from Saudi that 'ally'.

So there.

AlCIAduh is a misnomer that leaves quite a few facts out of anyone who wants to have a real conversation about AQ.

reply to post by beezzer


So do you think Kerry and Chamberlain are similar or opposite?

Danbones
so when does alCIAduh show up to the partay...
or is that just when McCain goes out to the dance?...

Shhhh !!

The majority of followers of Islam in Ukraine are Crimean Tatars who live in Crimea, a peninsula located on the northern coast of the Black Sea. As of 2012 an estimated 500,000 Muslims lived in Ukraine and about 300,000 of them were Crimean Tatars.

Islam in Ukraine

neo96

Zanti Misfit
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When it comes to Foreign Policy , Obama and the Democraps remind me of that kid we all knew in School that would get Wedgied or Beat Up by just about everyone in his Class because he was just such a Wuess about everything he tried to do . Seems Liberals make terrible Political Leaders when it comes to Walking Lighty and Carrying a Big Stick in the Face of your potential Enemies .



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When it comes to foreign policy I wish the Putin's and the Assads would get the same treatment as the right wing in this country.

Am I the only one who noticed this

No you are not, but then this is not a something as simple as lefties and righties and in itself pure bull.
Putin's response IMO, is something that he had not much of a choice in regards Crimea full of ethnic Russians.

Salamandy
reply to post by beezzer

 

So do you think Kerry and Chamberlain are similar or opposite?

Similar.

It's history repeating itself.

smurfy

Putin's response IMO, is something that he had not much of a choice in regards Crimea full of ethnic Russians.

Now that's a load of bovine scatology! **Nothing** bad was actually happening against any Russians in Crimea.

Putin could have tried to seduce Ukraine, instead of threatening it and treating it like a subordinate colony.

For instance, he could have offered: "If you preserve all the rights of Russians in Ukraine and extend our naval lease, we will give you economic aid X, Y and Z and have good trade relations."

But no. microStalin had a problem with Ukraine deciding to have good economic relations with Europe. It was Putin, and not Europe who pushed his crony to reject a deal under negotiation for years. If Europe had signed the deal, would they require that Ukraine give up any economic deal with Russia? Of course not!

Is Poland and Austria (remember parts of Ukraine used to be Poland and Austro-Hungary) moving its troops in and taking over airports? No.

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Holographicmeat, while I appreciate your sentiment, it's simply not the way of the world. We humans fail on so many levels, mainly because we allow the same group of tyrants control of our countries, economies, and lives.

They play their chess matches. They lie to us. Our whole societies are created on a series of lies and misrepresentations. And we continue to regurgitate their sound bites and talking points.

The common citizen doesn't want war. Yet, the greatest lie is that THIS is civilization. What we have is anything but civilized.

Sadly, the only thing that will save humanity from the lie it keeps peddling to itself is destruction.

reply to post by mbkennel


2 million in Crimea, where about 58% is ethnic Russia, out of a total population of about 45 million.

The protests broke out in Kiev, not Crimea.
Government forces fired on protesters in Kiev, not Crimea nor ethnic Russians.

Those who are not pro Russian in the Crimea region are being attacked by ethnic Russians.

Putin is a bit short on credibility when it comes to "protecting" Russians. Launching an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine doesn't help the situation either. If Russia will not respect Ukraine sovereignty / territorial integrity, then NATO / EU should get involved.

WCmutant
reply to post by Holographicmeat

 

Holographicmeat, while I appreciate your sentiment, it's simply not the way of the world. We humans fail on so many levels, mainly because we allow the same group of tyrants control of our countries, economies, and lives.

They play their chess matches. They lie to us. Our whole societies are created on a series of lies and misrepresentations. And we continue to regurgitate their sound bites and talking points.

The common citizen doesn't want war. Yet, the greatest lie is that THIS is civilization. What we have is anything but civilized.

Sadly, the only thing that will save humanity from the lie it keeps peddling to itself is destruction.

I agree with you 100 percent. I was a pawn in the chess game for many many years. I hurt alot of people. Now knowing I was lied to and my actions were absolutely horrific instead of heroic is something I live with every second of every day. Don't be fooled by my optimism. I know how the world works. I just really wish it was different. That's why I avoid the doomporn and try and tell myself things are ok......rainbows and butterflies, even when I KNOW they are not. If I didn't, it would be REALLY hard to live with myself.

mbkennel

smurfy

Putin's response IMO, is something that he had not much of a choice in regards Crimea full of ethnic Russians.

Now that's a load of bovine scatology! **Nothing** bad was actually happening against any Russians in Crimea.

Putin could have tried to seduce Ukraine, instead of threatening it and treating it like a subordinate colony.

For instance, he could have offered: "If you preserve all the rights of Russians in Ukraine and extend our naval lease, we will give you economic aid X, Y and Z and have good trade relations."

But no. microStalin had a problem with Ukraine deciding to have good economic relations with Europe. It was Putin, and not Europe who pushed his crony to reject a deal under negotiation for years. If Europe had signed the deal, would they require that Ukraine give up any economic deal with Russia? Of course not!

Is Poland and Austria (remember parts of Ukraine used to be Poland and Austro-Hungary) moving its troops in and taking over airports? No.

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It's not that simple really, the gasline for instance has been an ongoing dispute over taffifs just for the gas to go through the Ukraine to the rest of Europe for years between current Ukraine and Russia, that's by the by, I was talking about the ethnic Rrussians who make up the large majority of Crimea. bringing Poland into it, is to muddy the waters. But take the worst case scenario, I ask what is it to be? IMO Russia is a fabulously wealthy country, it even has vast tracts of land in the fridge ..so to speak, could probably have the ability to green the frozen wastes in a period of time but that would not be a good thing for the rest of Europe while making Russia even more wealthy. So far, I do not see the Russians doing this, but they could and they likely know it.

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So from a quick wikepedia search, I take it Chamberlain visited a foreign country and by doing so claimed some sort of stake in the fight thereby dragging in his country unnecessarily?

This appears to me as a "too many chefs in the kitchen" type thing. Kerry and Chamberlain should have stayed home and figured out another issue to use for dramatic political posturing. You telling me gays (preferably minority ones) didn't want to get married back in Chamberlain's time? Go to a public forum and fight for them or something to get your face time.

Great, send in Kerry! They'll listen to him! Not. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's totally ignored in all possible ways while there. Kind of like trying to get a diplomat to convince a brick wall to move itself, it's not gonna happen in a million years.

cosmicexplorer
With the new Cold War coming we will see the new revisions in the Patriot Act...great im Ukrainian...ill have feds up my a$$ all day making sure im on the right side...

I don't doubt it, it's a better excuse to spy on citizens even more pervasively.
Aside from spying, I'm also very worried about how people from the region, or with ancestry from the region even, could be treated differently than others. All that anti-USSR sentiment could bubble right back up anew and create a lot of hostility. It would be wholly unfair & backwards for people to be singled out, either for being an immigrant, or for an ancestor being from the region, but it's America, I wouldn't put it past anyone to be a total hateful, ignorant arse about it.

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Buwahahahaha,,

Russia will find out soon enough

Next!

Xcathdra
reply to post by mbkennel

 

2 million in Crimea, where about 58% is ethnic Russia, out of a total population of about 45 million.

The protests broke out in Kiev, not Crimea.
Government forces fired on protesters in Kiev, not Crimea nor ethnic Russians.

Those who are not pro Russian in the Crimea region are being attacked by ethnic Russians.

Putin is a bit short on credibility when it comes to "protecting" Russians. Launching an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine doesn't help the situation either. If Russia will not respect Ukraine sovereignty / territorial integrity, then NATO / EU should get involved.

That's not quite right, there are around 2million or less in the Crimea, and Crimea is a republic excluding the city of Sevastopol. Crimea requested outside help to keep the peace, it's not sure if that was official or otherwise claimed.

Kerry is going over there to unleash his weapon of mass destruction on the Ruskies...global warming!!!

How many times will he mention Genghis Khan???

Anybody know which powerhouse delegates from the EU are attending Kerry in support of their sister country? I don't understand why the US is sending any politician at this stage of the game. You'd have to wonder if Kerry is going just to bring someone special out with him.

S&F for "Putin" a smirk on my face!!