Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

a reply to: dragonridr

Only a fool would take news reported from any side involved in this at face value without research, corroboration, and confirmation.

As an observation, you have swallowed a good measure of propaganda yourself here.

In a conflict like this, virtually all news and information, breaking tweets etc. Should be considered propaganda, misinformation, disinformation, and unreliable until proven otherwise...

@Sergey_Osadchiy: Слышно звуки вертолета #мариуполь #новости #сейчас

Apparently this person in Mariupol can hear a helicopter above.

a reply to: SurrenderingAmerica

Putin gave her two thumbs up

Well he is only human and he knows a good thing when he sees them.

From social media info it seems that in several towns in E Ukraine, anti-terrorist ops are taking place:
(updates posted as they appear)

Alexander Kotz @ sashakots
Kramators'k, Druzhkivka, Kostiantynivka raid ... Goals are on track to Donetsk. Sanded all sub # Slovyansk to secure the rear

lennutrajektoor @lennutrajektoor
#ATO forces started to clean #Konstantinovka from terrorists. #ATO #Ukraine

Yevrokrayina @ euroukraine
If you have not watched, I advise you to check your map Donetsk.obl. Seen as moving # ATO. Slovyansk Kramators'k, Druzhkivka, Kostiantynivka

LE: Ops could cover more ground than initially reported:

Ukraine Reporter @StateOfUkraine
#Ukraine's anti-terror operation is taking place simultaneously all over the #Donetsk and #Luhansk regions tonight.

lennutrajektoor @lennutrajektoor
Unconfirmed reports in #Konstantinovka #ATO forces landed @ TV tower by heli. #Ukraine

Video apparently shot in Konstantynivka:


New vid from Mariupol:

Those sirens are very eary and scary when they go off they sound the old British Carter Gents sirens reply to: ProfessorT

a reply to: ausername

Well those 38 people that died are unbiased. But I get what your saying, and completely agree! but the news most be posted somewhere, whether propaganda or not. Its each to his own to choose what he thinks is the lesser evil.

originally posted by: deviant300
Those sirens are very eary and scary when they go off they sound the old British Carter Gents sirens reply to: ProfessorT

I was literally just going to post something along those lines. When I heard them I immediately started thinking about WWII.

a reply to: Whereismypassword

That fem group is retarded, having to get their breasts out to make the media take notice

That seems to be the best tactic for them to be seen.

It doesn't matter who or what the cause is a woman showing her breasts will always get noticed.

a reply to: dragonridr

On the contrary, if there was a Russian invasion the defections would be from Ukraine to Russia.

For now the threat of more destructive sanctions, further isolation of Russia from the global economy has proven to be a stronger deterrent to overt Russian aggression than anything else...

For how long?

I'm not sure Putin's ego will allow him to back away now.... As I said it may be now or never for him....

originally posted by: Whereismypassword
That fem group is retarded, having to get their breasts out to make the media take notice

Putin found it very amusing going by the photos above!

My point with posting that image of one of the leaders in FEMEN at the Odessa incident:

FEMEN is a decidedly anti-fascist although militant activist group.

Valid questions about their initial founding and funding have been raised in the past, but today it is pretty safe to say that their followers pursue a leftist political agenda.

All of this blaming everything on 'Right Sector' is a weak ploy by the Russians but it is the only scare tactic they have -- to tell the Eastern Ukrainians and Russians that there is a fascist threat, to wave the bloody red flag of the Great Patriotic War. It is the same sort of jingoism and fear baiting that led States into the disaster of Iraq.

A livestream cam is back in Mariupol
webcam.guru.ua...

It keeps going on and off, not much to see, small groups of people in the middle of an intersection. Not much action at that location.

or once at least, the statement by Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman can be taken at value when Dmitry Peskov said Saturday that Russia has "essentially lost influence over these people." Especially since for the first time the statement included the implicit admission that Russia had influence on them to begin with. Russia has been accusing Kiev for over a week that it is provoking "civil war" and this weekend, with the fire in Odessa, gunfights in Slaviansk and Kramatorsk which added dozens of casualties to the growing death-toll and the shooting-down of two Ukrainian attack helicopters, a civil war is exactly what they got.

Even if this wasn't Russia's intention, the propaganda has fulfilled itself. Not that it should surprise anyone that encouraging local pro-Russian groups, reinforced by "volunteers" from Russia and the Moldovan breakaway province of Transnistria, to take on the security forces and occupy government buildings, would lead to chaos. Especially when taking into account the fact that Ukraine's police and military forces can hardly be relied upon to obey orders from Kiev. Just as the Odessa police stood by during the early stages of the battle around the Worker's Union building, contributing to the horrific result.

While this obviously ignores Russia's contribution to the breakdown in law and order, it's clear that Putin now believes there is little chance of a more Moscow-friendly president emerging from these elections. He would therefore prefer to undermine the polls' legitimacy even before they open, and if possible, prevent them in advance.

www.haaretz.com...

Only RT seems to have this info...

PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 4m

#Mariupol - about 300 unarmed people trying to stop advancement of army

a reply to: ausername


No russia wont be dealing with people changing sides they will deal with refusals to fight. People really dont get how close Russians consider Ukrainians in Russia any way. In Ukraine the diffrences are being played up by both sides.

originally posted by: Dutzy
Only RT seems to have this info...

PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 4m

#Mariupol - about 300 unarmed people trying to stop advancement of army

That reporter isn't even in Mariupol. She is still in Sloviansk. Yet she seems to know what's going on. Makes you wonder...

originally posted by: dragonridr


or once at least, the statement by Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman can be taken at value when Dmitry Peskov said Saturday that Russia has "essentially lost influence over these people." Especially since for the first time the statement included the implicit admission that Russia had influence on them to begin with. Russia has been accusing Kiev for over a week that it is provoking "civil war" and this weekend, with the fire in Odessa, gunfights in Slaviansk and Kramatorsk which added dozens of casualties to the growing death-toll and the shooting-down of two Ukrainian attack helicopters, a civil war is exactly what they got.

Even if this wasn't Russia's intention, the propaganda has fulfilled itself. Not that it should surprise anyone that encouraging local pro-Russian groups, reinforced by "volunteers" from Russia and the Moldovan breakaway province of Transnistria, to take on the security forces and occupy government buildings, would lead to chaos. Especially when taking into account the fact that Ukraine's police and military forces can hardly be relied upon to obey orders from Kiev. Just as the Odessa police stood by during the early stages of the battle around the Worker's Union building, contributing to the horrific result.

Thank you for posting this!

It very much parallels my appraisal.

In Luhansk the assault on the recruitment center seems to have been repelled.
From what I can tell, neither of the armed men seen in the stream wear any form of separatist insignia, so I would assume they are Ukr.
www.ustream.tv...

LE: As I type this the stream is off-air...On second thought, nevermind...

@JF991: Mariupol Gov Admin building surrounded by Ukrainian Army. The army ordering separatists to evacuate building.

@RT_com: LATEST: #Ukraine Interior Ministry confirms special op in #Konstantinovka, says some soldiers injured t.co...

originally posted by: Xcouncil=wisdom
Its been 5 days since any updates from Asen_y2k

Hope all is well for him

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2nd.

Anyone? Anything?