This has gone viral

This is hilarious actually. 2 years ago it was ok to talk about peoples health information, and everyone asked you about it. But now its a big deal to share it. What a hypocrisy!

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0
This is hilarious actually. 2 years ago it was ok to talk about peoples health information, and everyone asked you about it. But now its a big deal to share it. What a hypocrisy!

How things have changed!

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: annonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

All the information was anonymized. Anyway, the cops have all the data if they put him in a court of law it is going to get more interesting.

He probably has signed up to comply with data protection laws, it's probably standard boilerplate in his employment contract.

I have worked with medical databases some years ago, and encryption, and data protection are hammered in to all the IT support guys, repeatedly. This guy knew what he was doing was contrary to the law.

I wonder how much he was getting paid to break the law?

Too much speculation.
Probably this and probably that.

At the end of the day he was arrested for having access to the data and sharing it with others. They have nothing to be afraid of if the data is clear and truthful.

Data, and especially medical data, can be misused criminally.

Even if he didn't misuse the data, he took private and secured data that could be damaging to people, and put it in a publicly accessible place.

As I pointed out, the conclusions he was drawing from the data in the video, were not actually consistent with the data itself. He was misrepresenting the data, and was making allegations of criminality against specific people who were only doing their job and probably had no idea that their patients were later going to die. The data he presented was also missing any mention of cause of death, and he has assumed that every case was therefore the vaccine, something which neither the data, nor any clinical evidence, has shown.

You see, if you are worried about my 'speculation', what about the speculation on the anti-vax side of the argument?- A balanced view would be skeptical of both sides, and would seek for, and evaluate, evidence. At present, neither you nor I really have all the facts. What we have is necessarily, speculation.

That's another speculation.
You we don't have all the facts and I agree with this but you almost immediately accused him of misrepresenting and misusing the data in a criminal manner.

I am glad you have acknowledged somewhere else in this page the excess deaths in most other countries around the world. I don't know what the situation is in NZ. The excess non Covid deaths should be a big red flag against the covid campaign and the vaccines and most excess deaths are non Covid deaths.

The start of the rise of excess deaths that led to the peak in other countries, happened in early 2020, before the vaccines were available in 2021. The ridiculous estimates for excess deaths proposed up to months ago were based upon extrapolations, and now the datasets are closed and actual, rather than speculation.

Weekly number of excess deaths in England and Wales from January 2020 to November 2023

The peak in excess deaths in the UK clearly happened in April 2020.

Here's the excess deaths data from a stack of countries, from another source.

COVID-19 vaccinations were not generally available until January 2021. The peak in excess deaths across the planet happened before the availability of the vaccines.

You explain that.

That's not true.
Excess non Covid deaths have been seen in all countries that followed strict lockdown protocols and mass vaccinated their populations. We don't suppose to have excess deaths in the post-covid/lockdowns years but unfortunately we have and isn't going away. You're conflating covid deaths with non covid deaths.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: chr0naut

With the first link, the big spike at the start fits in with the covid protocols and lockdowns at the time. Some probably dies of covid, many died of neglect.

With the second link, an ongoing increase in mortality around 15-20% fits in the range of a lot of reports. With the big spikes, how do they line up with the vax rollout in those nations?

A lot of people have stopped taking the boosters, some still are. How this madness is getting pushed on the kids is total insanity. It not just the deaths that is a problem, but the rise in heart disease, cancers and other conditions. The economic toll this is going to take on the next generation is going to add up big. With the US military finally putting a stop to forcing the vax in its ranks, hope the trend spreads.

It's what I said.
Some people conflate non Covid and Covid deaths. We don't suppose to have anywhere in the developed countries excess non Covid deaths in the post-covid/lockdowns years. It's a globally observed phenomenon.

a reply to: Rosby123


The thing is New Zealand has the cleanest data in the world, which would show a lot of information. Why bother hiding it unless there is something obvious that they do not want to become public knowledge? Especially since it it anonymized. Of course, the horse has bolted anyway, but Phillip Macmillan makes a good argument.

originally posted by: Euronymous2625

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
The Only People Not Outraged by this News are the Ones who have become Deceased from the " Side Effects " of these mRNA Vaccines........

I'm alive. Not outraged.

If you took the Vax you are Now a Member of the Living Dead . You got 5 Years Left MAX...........

originally posted by: AianawaQ1320
a reply to: chr0naut

Are you a Kiwi , WEF spell is a thing you know. Governments lie you know ?, if you embellish their lies as imo you are, your just as bad, no joking as it is important to feel safe or well paid or both.

Apoligies if your not paid or unable to think for yourself dear one, your not alone.

I am an Australian citizen, permanently resident in New Zealand.

The WEF is a conference company. It does not exert any political control over the many governments of the world. It even has keynote speakers who disagree with the general consensus of other attendees (for example, Donald Trump was a keynote speaker and strongly disagreed in his speech with the opinions of previous keynote speakers).

I have had no contact at all from the WEF organization, nor anyone associated with it. Therefore, it cannot have affected my reasoning, and my opinions are my own.

For decades there have been all sorts of conspiracy theories about groups such as the WEF, Illuminati, Bilderburgers, Zionists, Communists, the Rothschilds and etc.

People have spewed their unfounded opinions about these groups being the dark hand behind world politics, on and on for decades, and yet the world is clearly politically fractured and there is no no-one in overarching control. Nor is it likely to be allowed to happen.

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: annonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

All the information was anonymized. Anyway, the cops have all the data if they put him in a court of law it is going to get more interesting.

He probably has signed up to comply with data protection laws, it's probably standard boilerplate in his employment contract.

I have worked with medical databases some years ago, and encryption, and data protection are hammered in to all the IT support guys, repeatedly. This guy knew what he was doing was contrary to the law.

I wonder how much he was getting paid to break the law?

Too much speculation.
Probably this and probably that.

At the end of the day he was arrested for having access to the data and sharing it with others. They have nothing to be afraid of if the data is clear and truthful.

Data, and especially medical data, can be misused criminally.

Even if he didn't misuse the data, he took private and secured data that could be damaging to people, and put it in a publicly accessible place.

As I pointed out, the conclusions he was drawing from the data in the video, were not actually consistent with the data itself. He was misrepresenting the data, and was making allegations of criminality against specific people who were only doing their job and probably had no idea that their patients were later going to die. The data he presented was also missing any mention of cause of death, and he has assumed that every case was therefore the vaccine, something which neither the data, nor any clinical evidence, has shown.

You see, if you are worried about my 'speculation', what about the speculation on the anti-vax side of the argument?- A balanced view would be skeptical of both sides, and would seek for, and evaluate, evidence. At present, neither you nor I really have all the facts. What we have is necessarily, speculation.

That's another speculation.
You we don't have all the facts and I agree with this but you almost immediately accused him of misrepresenting and misusing the data in a criminal manner.

I am glad you have acknowledged somewhere else in this page the excess deaths in most other countries around the world. I don't know what the situation is in NZ. The excess non Covid deaths should be a big red flag against the covid campaign and the vaccines and most excess deaths are non Covid deaths.

The start of the rise of excess deaths that led to the peak in other countries, happened in early 2020, before the vaccines were available in 2021. The ridiculous estimates for excess deaths proposed up to months ago were based upon extrapolations, and now the datasets are closed and actual, rather than speculation.

Weekly number of excess deaths in England and Wales from January 2020 to November 2023

The peak in excess deaths in the UK clearly happened in April 2020.

Here's the excess deaths data from a stack of countries, from another source.

COVID-19 vaccinations were not generally available until January 2021. The peak in excess deaths across the planet happened before the availability of the vaccines.

You explain that.

That's not true.
Excess non Covid deaths have been seen in all countries that followed strict lockdown protocols and mass vaccinated their populations. We don't suppose to have excess deaths in the post-covid/lockdowns years but unfortunately we have and isn't going away. You're conflating covid deaths with non covid deaths.

The almost worldwide spike in excess deaths was quite a massive and fairly short duration spike, it occurred before the vaccines were available, and excess deaths have not recurred at anything like the same levels, subsequently.

In fact the subsequent excess deaths show variability around a fairly stable median line and no escalating trend subsequent to the availability of the vaccines.

As to the spike in excess deaths peaking approximately in early April, but the trend upwards started at the end of February, it correlates to the unimpeded disease progression through populations in the period prior to lockdowns (which started in late March for most of the world) being enforced over those populations. So the initial and largest peak in excess deaths started before the lockdowns, and abated quickly once the lockdowns were implemented.

There is no way that the lockdowns, or the vaccines, caused the excess deaths. Check the details in the graphs (previously posted) against the timeline of events (which you can verify for yourself).

The most logical conclusions are that the disease caused most of the excess deaths, COVID-19 wasn't some semi-benign flu like illness (especially in the early days), and to some extent, the mitigations against the disease had some degree of effect. It's all there in the data.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: annonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

All the information was anonymized. Anyway, the cops have all the data if they put him in a court of law it is going to get more interesting.

He probably has signed up to comply with data protection laws, it's probably standard boilerplate in his employment contract.

I have worked with medical databases some years ago, and encryption, and data protection are hammered in to all the IT support guys, repeatedly. This guy knew what he was doing was contrary to the law.

I wonder how much he was getting paid to break the law?

Too much speculation.
Probably this and probably that.

At the end of the day he was arrested for having access to the data and sharing it with others. They have nothing to be afraid of if the data is clear and truthful.

Data, and especially medical data, can be misused criminally.

Even if he didn't misuse the data, he took private and secured data that could be damaging to people, and put it in a publicly accessible place.

As I pointed out, the conclusions he was drawing from the data in the video, were not actually consistent with the data itself. He was misrepresenting the data, and was making allegations of criminality against specific people who were only doing their job and probably had no idea that their patients were later going to die. The data he presented was also missing any mention of cause of death, and he has assumed that every case was therefore the vaccine, something which neither the data, nor any clinical evidence, has shown.

You see, if you are worried about my 'speculation', what about the speculation on the anti-vax side of the argument?- A balanced view would be skeptical of both sides, and would seek for, and evaluate, evidence. At present, neither you nor I really have all the facts. What we have is necessarily, speculation.

That's another speculation.
You we don't have all the facts and I agree with this but you almost immediately accused him of misrepresenting and misusing the data in a criminal manner.

I am glad you have acknowledged somewhere else in this page the excess deaths in most other countries around the world. I don't know what the situation is in NZ. The excess non Covid deaths should be a big red flag against the covid campaign and the vaccines and most excess deaths are non Covid deaths.

The start of the rise of excess deaths that led to the peak in other countries, happened in early 2020, before the vaccines were available in 2021. The ridiculous estimates for excess deaths proposed up to months ago were based upon extrapolations, and now the datasets are closed and actual, rather than speculation.

Weekly number of excess deaths in England and Wales from January 2020 to November 2023

The peak in excess deaths in the UK clearly happened in April 2020.

Here's the excess deaths data from a stack of countries, from another source.

COVID-19 vaccinations were not generally available until January 2021. The peak in excess deaths across the planet happened before the availability of the vaccines.

You explain that.

That's not true.
Excess non Covid deaths have been seen in all countries that followed strict lockdown protocols and mass vaccinated their populations. We don't suppose to have excess deaths in the post-covid/lockdowns years but unfortunately we have and isn't going away. You're conflating covid deaths with non covid deaths.

The spike in excess deaths worldwide was quite a massive spike, occurred before the vaccines were available, and excess deaths have not recurred at anything like the same levels, subsequently. In fact the subsequent excess deaths show variability around a fairly stable median line and no escalating trend subsequent to the availability of the vaccines.

As to the spike in excess deaths approximately in early April, it correlates to the unimpeded disease progression through populations in the period prior to lockdowns (which started in late March) being enforced over those populations. So the initial and largest peak in excess deaths started before the lockdowns, and abated quickly once the lockdowns were implemented.

There is no way that the lockdowns, or the vaccines, caused the excess deaths. Check the details in the graphs (previously posted) against the timeline of events (which you can verify for yourself).

We aren't talking about the excess Covid deaths but the excess non Covid deaths and especially in the years 2021/22/23. In the last two years this has been a global concern because we didn't suppose to have them. It has affected the young and middle age groups mostly. Something is wrong and it can't be hidden.

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: annonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

All the information was anonymized. Anyway, the cops have all the data if they put him in a court of law it is going to get more interesting.

He probably has signed up to comply with data protection laws, it's probably standard boilerplate in his employment contract.

I have worked with medical databases some years ago, and encryption, and data protection are hammered in to all the IT support guys, repeatedly. This guy knew what he was doing was contrary to the law.

I wonder how much he was getting paid to break the law?

Too much speculation.
Probably this and probably that.

At the end of the day he was arrested for having access to the data and sharing it with others. They have nothing to be afraid of if the data is clear and truthful.

Data, and especially medical data, can be misused criminally.

Even if he didn't misuse the data, he took private and secured data that could be damaging to people, and put it in a publicly accessible place.

As I pointed out, the conclusions he was drawing from the data in the video, were not actually consistent with the data itself. He was misrepresenting the data, and was making allegations of criminality against specific people who were only doing their job and probably had no idea that their patients were later going to die. The data he presented was also missing any mention of cause of death, and he has assumed that every case was therefore the vaccine, something which neither the data, nor any clinical evidence, has shown.

You see, if you are worried about my 'speculation', what about the speculation on the anti-vax side of the argument?- A balanced view would be skeptical of both sides, and would seek for, and evaluate, evidence. At present, neither you nor I really have all the facts. What we have is necessarily, speculation.

That's another speculation.
You we don't have all the facts and I agree with this but you almost immediately accused him of misrepresenting and misusing the data in a criminal manner.

I am glad you have acknowledged somewhere else in this page the excess deaths in most other countries around the world. I don't know what the situation is in NZ. The excess non Covid deaths should be a big red flag against the covid campaign and the vaccines and most excess deaths are non Covid deaths.

The start of the rise of excess deaths that led to the peak in other countries, happened in early 2020, before the vaccines were available in 2021. The ridiculous estimates for excess deaths proposed up to months ago were based upon extrapolations, and now the datasets are closed and actual, rather than speculation.

Weekly number of excess deaths in England and Wales from January 2020 to November 2023

The peak in excess deaths in the UK clearly happened in April 2020.

Here's the excess deaths data from a stack of countries, from another source.

COVID-19 vaccinations were not generally available until January 2021. The peak in excess deaths across the planet happened before the availability of the vaccines.

You explain that.

That's not true.
Excess non Covid deaths have been seen in all countries that followed strict lockdown protocols and mass vaccinated their populations. We don't suppose to have excess deaths in the post-covid/lockdowns years but unfortunately we have and isn't going away. You're conflating covid deaths with non covid deaths.

The spike in excess deaths worldwide was quite a massive spike, occurred before the vaccines were available, and excess deaths have not recurred at anything like the same levels, subsequently. In fact the subsequent excess deaths show variability around a fairly stable median line and no escalating trend subsequent to the availability of the vaccines.

As to the spike in excess deaths approximately in early April, it correlates to the unimpeded disease progression through populations in the period prior to lockdowns (which started in late March) being enforced over those populations. So the initial and largest peak in excess deaths started before the lockdowns, and abated quickly once the lockdowns were implemented.

There is no way that the lockdowns, or the vaccines, caused the excess deaths. Check the details in the graphs (previously posted) against the timeline of events (which you can verify for yourself).

We aren't talking about the excess Covid deaths but the excess non Covid deaths and especially in the years 2021/22/23. In the last two years this has been a global concern because we didn't suppose to have them. It has affected the young and middle age groups mostly. Something is wrong and it can't be hidden.

Why do you assume we aren't supposed to have excess non-COVID deaths?

Firstly, there are still people dying of COVID-19, even though new strains are less deadly. The disease has become endemic, it hasn't gone away.

Secondly, like most viral illnesses, there are multiple possible complications:

Complications Coronavirus Can Cause

With many of these complications there is ongoing cellular damage, even after you are 'over' the virus. These all contribute to ongoing excess deaths.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: annonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

All the information was anonymized. Anyway, the cops have all the data if they put him in a court of law it is going to get more interesting.

He probably has signed up to comply with data protection laws, it's probably standard boilerplate in his employment contract.

I have worked with medical databases some years ago, and encryption, and data protection are hammered in to all the IT support guys, repeatedly. This guy knew what he was doing was contrary to the law.

I wonder how much he was getting paid to break the law?

Too much speculation.
Probably this and probably that.

At the end of the day he was arrested for having access to the data and sharing it with others. They have nothing to be afraid of if the data is clear and truthful.

Data, and especially medical data, can be misused criminally.

Even if he didn't misuse the data, he took private and secured data that could be damaging to people, and put it in a publicly accessible place.

As I pointed out, the conclusions he was drawing from the data in the video, were not actually consistent with the data itself. He was misrepresenting the data, and was making allegations of criminality against specific people who were only doing their job and probably had no idea that their patients were later going to die. The data he presented was also missing any mention of cause of death, and he has assumed that every case was therefore the vaccine, something which neither the data, nor any clinical evidence, has shown.

You see, if you are worried about my 'speculation', what about the speculation on the anti-vax side of the argument?- A balanced view would be skeptical of both sides, and would seek for, and evaluate, evidence. At present, neither you nor I really have all the facts. What we have is necessarily, speculation.

That's another speculation.
You we don't have all the facts and I agree with this but you almost immediately accused him of misrepresenting and misusing the data in a criminal manner.

I am glad you have acknowledged somewhere else in this page the excess deaths in most other countries around the world. I don't know what the situation is in NZ. The excess non Covid deaths should be a big red flag against the covid campaign and the vaccines and most excess deaths are non Covid deaths.

The start of the rise of excess deaths that led to the peak in other countries, happened in early 2020, before the vaccines were available in 2021. The ridiculous estimates for excess deaths proposed up to months ago were based upon extrapolations, and now the datasets are closed and actual, rather than speculation.

Weekly number of excess deaths in England and Wales from January 2020 to November 2023

The peak in excess deaths in the UK clearly happened in April 2020.

Here's the excess deaths data from a stack of countries, from another source.

COVID-19 vaccinations were not generally available until January 2021. The peak in excess deaths across the planet happened before the availability of the vaccines.

You explain that.

That's not true.
Excess non Covid deaths have been seen in all countries that followed strict lockdown protocols and mass vaccinated their populations. We don't suppose to have excess deaths in the post-covid/lockdowns years but unfortunately we have and isn't going away. You're conflating covid deaths with non covid deaths.

The spike in excess deaths worldwide was quite a massive spike, occurred before the vaccines were available, and excess deaths have not recurred at anything like the same levels, subsequently. In fact the subsequent excess deaths show variability around a fairly stable median line and no escalating trend subsequent to the availability of the vaccines.

As to the spike in excess deaths approximately in early April, it correlates to the unimpeded disease progression through populations in the period prior to lockdowns (which started in late March) being enforced over those populations. So the initial and largest peak in excess deaths started before the lockdowns, and abated quickly once the lockdowns were implemented.

There is no way that the lockdowns, or the vaccines, caused the excess deaths. Check the details in the graphs (previously posted) against the timeline of events (which you can verify for yourself).

We aren't talking about the excess Covid deaths but the excess non Covid deaths and especially in the years 2021/22/23. In the last two years this has been a global concern because we didn't suppose to have them. It has affected the young and middle age groups mostly. Something is wrong and it can't be hidden.

Why do you assume we aren't supposed to have excess non-COVID deaths?

Firstly, there are still people dying of COVID-19, even though new strains are less deadly. The disease has become endemic, it hasn't gone away.

Secondly, like most viral illnesses, there are multiple possible complications:

Complications Coronavirus Can Cause

With many of these complications there is ongoing cellular damage, even after you are 'over' the virus. These all contribute to ongoing excess deaths.

Something has changed dramatically. So under normal circumstances we shouldn't observe a sharp increase in the non Covid deaths and especially in the young age groups. The disease hasn't gone away but young and healthy people are in such low risk and they're not dying of Covid but of other causes.

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Rosby123

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: annonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

All the information was anonymized. Anyway, the cops have all the data if they put him in a court of law it is going to get more interesting.

He probably has signed up to comply with data protection laws, it's probably standard boilerplate in his employment contract.

I have worked with medical databases some years ago, and encryption, and data protection are hammered in to all the IT support guys, repeatedly. This guy knew what he was doing was contrary to the law.

I wonder how much he was getting paid to break the law?

Too much speculation.
Probably this and probably that.

At the end of the day he was arrested for having access to the data and sharing it with others. They have nothing to be afraid of if the data is clear and truthful.

Data, and especially medical data, can be misused criminally.

Even if he didn't misuse the data, he took private and secured data that could be damaging to people, and put it in a publicly accessible place.

As I pointed out, the conclusions he was drawing from the data in the video, were not actually consistent with the data itself. He was misrepresenting the data, and was making allegations of criminality against specific people who were only doing their job and probably had no idea that their patients were later going to die. The data he presented was also missing any mention of cause of death, and he has assumed that every case was therefore the vaccine, something which neither the data, nor any clinical evidence, has shown.

You see, if you are worried about my 'speculation', what about the speculation on the anti-vax side of the argument?- A balanced view would be skeptical of both sides, and would seek for, and evaluate, evidence. At present, neither you nor I really have all the facts. What we have is necessarily, speculation.

That's another speculation.
You we don't have all the facts and I agree with this but you almost immediately accused him of misrepresenting and misusing the data in a criminal manner.

I am glad you have acknowledged somewhere else in this page the excess deaths in most other countries around the world. I don't know what the situation is in NZ. The excess non Covid deaths should be a big red flag against the covid campaign and the vaccines and most excess deaths are non Covid deaths.

The start of the rise of excess deaths that led to the peak in other countries, happened in early 2020, before the vaccines were available in 2021. The ridiculous estimates for excess deaths proposed up to months ago were based upon extrapolations, and now the datasets are closed and actual, rather than speculation.

Weekly number of excess deaths in England and Wales from January 2020 to November 2023

The peak in excess deaths in the UK clearly happened in April 2020.

Here's the excess deaths data from a stack of countries, from another source.

COVID-19 vaccinations were not generally available until January 2021. The peak in excess deaths across the planet happened before the availability of the vaccines.

You explain that.

That's not true.
Excess non Covid deaths have been seen in all countries that followed strict lockdown protocols and mass vaccinated their populations. We don't suppose to have excess deaths in the post-covid/lockdowns years but unfortunately we have and isn't going away. You're conflating covid deaths with non covid deaths.

The spike in excess deaths worldwide was quite a massive spike, occurred before the vaccines were available, and excess deaths have not recurred at anything like the same levels, subsequently. In fact the subsequent excess deaths show variability around a fairly stable median line and no escalating trend subsequent to the availability of the vaccines.

As to the spike in excess deaths approximately in early April, it correlates to the unimpeded disease progression through populations in the period prior to lockdowns (which started in late March) being enforced over those populations. So the initial and largest peak in excess deaths started before the lockdowns, and abated quickly once the lockdowns were implemented.

There is no way that the lockdowns, or the vaccines, caused the excess deaths. Check the details in the graphs (previously posted) against the timeline of events (which you can verify for yourself).

We aren't talking about the excess Covid deaths but the excess non Covid deaths and especially in the years 2021/22/23. In the last two years this has been a global concern because we didn't suppose to have them. It has affected the young and middle age groups mostly. Something is wrong and it can't be hidden.

Why do you assume we aren't supposed to have excess non-COVID deaths?

Firstly, there are still people dying of COVID-19, even though new strains are less deadly. The disease has become endemic, it hasn't gone away.

Secondly, like most viral illnesses, there are multiple possible complications:

Complications Coronavirus Can Cause

With many of these complications there is ongoing cellular damage, even after you are 'over' the virus. These all contribute to ongoing excess deaths.

Something has changed dramatically. So under normal circumstances we shouldn't observe a sharp increase in the non Covid deaths and especially in the young age groups. The disease hasn't gone away but young and healthy people are in such low risk and they're not dying of Covid but of other causes.

Something has changed, true, but not dramatically. Review the graphs. Excess deaths are variable but the multi-year trend after initial spike is mostly flat.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: AianawaQ1320
a reply to: chr0naut

Are you a Kiwi , WEF spell is a thing you know. Governments lie you know ?, if you embellish their lies as imo you are, your just as bad, no joking as it is important to feel safe or well paid or both.

Apoligies if your not paid or unable to think for yourself dear one, your not alone.

I am an Australian citizen, permanently resident in New Zealand.

The WEF is a conference company. It does not exert any political control over the many governments of the world. It even has keynote speakers who disagree with the general consensus of other attendees (for example, Donald Trump was a keynote speaker and strongly disagreed in his speech with the opinions of previous keynote speakers).

I have had no contact at all from the WEF organization, nor anyone associated with it. Therefore, it cannot have affected my reasoning, and my opinions are my own.

For decades there have been all sorts of conspiracy theories about groups such as the WEF, Illuminati, Bilderburgers, Zionists, Communists, the Rothschilds and etc.

People have spewed their unfounded opinions about these groups being the dark hand behind world politics, on and on for decades, and yet the world is clearly politically fractured and there is no no-one in overarching control. Nor is it likely to be allowed to happen.

Your funny, WEF has not affected you, infected maybe ?, Adern a WEF youth leader, did she have any affect on you ?, yes it be better to laugh, anyways will ignore you cobber, good luck.

a reply to: chr0naut

Review the graphs.

Review the censorship as well. With this level of control over the public discourse where do the true numbers sit? When looking into people like Ed Dowd and the economic data puts the all cause mortality at a higher rate.

Excess Mortality Just Got Even Worse: Ed Dowd Drops Alarming New Data

originally posted by: AianawaQ1320

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: AianawaQ1320
a reply to: chr0naut

Are you a Kiwi , WEF spell is a thing you know. Governments lie you know ?, if you embellish their lies as imo you are, your just as bad, no joking as it is important to feel safe or well paid or both.

Apoligies if your not paid or unable to think for yourself dear one, your not alone.

I am an Australian citizen, permanently resident in New Zealand.

The WEF is a conference company. It does not exert any political control over the many governments of the world. It even has keynote speakers who disagree with the general consensus of other attendees (for example, Donald Trump was a keynote speaker and strongly disagreed in his speech with the opinions of previous keynote speakers).

I have had no contact at all from the WEF organization, nor anyone associated with it. Therefore, it cannot have affected my reasoning, and my opinions are my own.

For decades there have been all sorts of conspiracy theories about groups such as the WEF, Illuminati, Bilderburgers, Zionists, Communists, the Rothschilds and etc.

People have spewed their unfounded opinions about these groups being the dark hand behind world politics, on and on for decades, and yet the world is clearly politically fractured and there is no no-one in overarching control. Nor is it likely to be allowed to happen.

Your funny, WEF has not affected you, infected maybe ?, Adern a WEF youth leader, did she have any affect on you ?, yes it be better to laugh, anyways will ignore you cobber, good luck.

Ardern is gone as PM. She resigned, before her second term was over. Very un-'dominating-the-world' when they do that. Makes you wonder if the whole 'evil overlords' thing was just doom porn.

The new guys are right-wing.

a reply to: chr0naut

The WEF is a conference company. It does not exert any political control over the many governments of the world.

You are well and truly in lockstep to take that bait. Have you seen the contracts the government signed with Pfizer? Did you notice how the government was restricted in pushing covid policy so left it to the corporate world to make it up? Where does the WEF sit when it comes to implementing global corporate policy?

Klaus Schwab will be happy owning nothing sitting in a jail cell.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: AianawaQ1320

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: AianawaQ1320
a reply to: chr0naut

Are you a Kiwi , WEF spell is a thing you know. Governments lie you know ?, if you embellish their lies as imo you are, your just as bad, no joking as it is important to feel safe or well paid or both.

Apoligies if your not paid or unable to think for yourself dear one, your not alone.

I am an Australian citizen, permanently resident in New Zealand.

The WEF is a conference company. It does not exert any political control over the many governments of the world. It even has keynote speakers who disagree with the general consensus of other attendees (for example, Donald Trump was a keynote speaker and strongly disagreed in his speech with the opinions of previous keynote speakers).

I have had no contact at all from the WEF organization, nor anyone associated with it. Therefore, it cannot have affected my reasoning, and my opinions are my own.

For decades there have been all sorts of conspiracy theories about groups such as the WEF, Illuminati, Bilderburgers, Zionists, Communists, the Rothschilds and etc.

People have spewed their unfounded opinions about these groups being the dark hand behind world politics, on and on for decades, and yet the world is clearly politically fractured and there is no no-one in overarching control. Nor is it likely to be allowed to happen.

Your funny, WEF has not affected you, infected maybe ?, Adern a WEF youth leader, did she have any affect on you ?, yes it be better to laugh, anyways will ignore you cobber, good luck.

Ardern is gone as PM. She resigned, before her second term was over. Very un-'dominating-the-world' when they do that. Makes you wonder if the whole 'evil overlords' thing was just doom porn.

The new guys are right-wing.

lol same bird, similar coruption, same barriers, law persons, media % ( 87% owned at the tippy top ) but more questioning than ever before makes all happier imo and ta for reply

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: AianawaQ1320

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: AianawaQ1320
a reply to: chr0naut

Are you a Kiwi , WEF spell is a thing you know. Governments lie you know ?, if you embellish their lies as imo you are, your just as bad, no joking as it is important to feel safe or well paid or both.

Apoligies if your not paid or unable to think for yourself dear one, your not alone.

I am an Australian citizen, permanently resident in New Zealand.

The WEF is a conference company. It does not exert any political control over the many governments of the world. It even has keynote speakers who disagree with the general consensus of other attendees (for example, Donald Trump was a keynote speaker and strongly disagreed in his speech with the opinions of previous keynote speakers).

I have had no contact at all from the WEF organization, nor anyone associated with it. Therefore, it cannot have affected my reasoning, and my opinions are my own.

For decades there have been all sorts of conspiracy theories about groups such as the WEF, Illuminati, Bilderburgers, Zionists, Communists, the Rothschilds and etc.

People have spewed their unfounded opinions about these groups being the dark hand behind world politics, on and on for decades, and yet the world is clearly politically fractured and there is no no-one in overarching control. Nor is it likely to be allowed to happen.

Your funny, WEF has not affected you, infected maybe ?, Adern a WEF youth leader, did she have any affect on you ?, yes it be better to laugh, anyways will ignore you cobber, good luck.

Ardern is gone as PM. She resigned, before her second term was over. Very un-'dominating-the-world' when they do that. Makes you wonder if the whole 'evil overlords' thing was just doom porn.

The new guys are right-wing.

Picture says it all

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
If you took the Vax you are Now a Member of the Living Dead . You got 5 Years Left MAX...........

Lol. Sure. It's been almost 3 years since my first shot, and I have zero health problems. Is 5 years the new goal post? It was 3 months, then 6 months, then a year, then 18 months, 2 years... yet we keep on living.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: chr0naut

The WEF is a conference company. It does not exert any political control over the many governments of the world.

You are well and truly in lockstep to take that bait. Have you seen the contracts the government signed with Pfizer?

Yes, the bits that the anti-vaxers disagreed with looked like standard limited liability boilerplate. It wasn't much different than other public sector contracts with private companies.

Did you notice how the government was restricted in pushing covid policy so left it to the corporate world to make it up?

No, where was government COVID-19 policy restricted? Please link to the documentation and clearly identify the specific paragraph that placed limits on government policy.

Where does the WEF sit when it comes to implementing global corporate policy?

The WEF is a conference organization. Various of its attendees and speakers have differing economic theories and opinions. It provides a forum to discuss economic policies. There is, and has been, disagreement among its speakers about what is the right way to do things. The WEF is an economic forum, a place to discuss ideas. There is no enforcement of its ideas presented, over attendees, or non-attendees.

Klaus Schwab will be happy owning nothing sitting in a jail cell.

You know he'd be miserable.

But what crime would he be in jail for? For his opinion? And what country would he be incarcerated in? They all have different laws.