U.S. pilot scares off Iranians with ‘Top Gun’-worthy stunt

reply to post by dlbott


Everyone makes it out that satellites are the be all, end all, and they're not. They're so limited, and easy to avoid that it's not funny. That's why we have UAVs. You can plot a satellite orbit to a t, and it's easy to avoid them. The US does it all the time, and used to have chalk boards with Soviet satellite overhead times on it, so they'd know when they had to be in the hangar again, to hide.

Arnie123

spartacus699
reply to post by princeofpeace

 

IT DIDNT' EVEN HAPPEN!!!!

I bet you any money that's just propaganda to help push things toward a conflict. How sad.

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LOL are you serious? right, we are going to start a major conflict over small beans dispute....WHICH WASN'T EVEN A DISPUTE AT ALL....in international airspace. Right.
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Zaphod, I love it when you come in and show what's up regarding anything involving the skies.
I swear, this story was sooo cool that it only took just a little bit before the usual, same folks come in here crying, "OmgZ!!111 teh US iz eVIl!! tehy should leeve the po Iranians alonz!11"
For reals, it gets old.
People, no dispute happened. There was an incident awhile ago involving su-25 and drones, measures were taken to prevent said incidents, it was over international airspace, nobody got hurt, nothing but good showman ship.
If anything, you made that Iranian pilots night!! does he have a story to tell the guys back home over a few beers, ENJOY THE 15 MINUTES OF FAME. lol

Yea, after he changes his pants first lol........

Seriously it wouldn't have even been a challenge for our our pilot. Talk about ducks in a pond lol.

Look if we wanted to crush Iran we have had plenty of reasons to do it over the years.

The Bot

This is awesome, the stoneage meets the future and runs with their sticks and stones back to their caves, hahaha.

reply to post by Urantia1111


Rah, Rah, damn right. Those guys are out there putting their lives on the line for the USA. The least you do is say thank you D.A.

Great... another person trying to pick a fight with Iran... just what we need.

I'll wait for someone to post which this was closer to... Iran or the US.

There's really no reason to be bragging about this even if they wanted a look at their weapons. I mean what was Iran supposed to do? Shoot in international air space? Of course that would be a bad idea but since they didn't shoot... or attempt to shoot, this op suggests that someone crapped their pants over the issue because they did nothing... and what were they SUPPOSED to do?

If they were supposed to react to not look scared, then one must assume that this was done to try to pick a fight.

Who needs this crap right now? Who needs it? How the hell does this protect us?

This just makes me resentful and mad. Anyone with any sense would not be grateful for such a stunt!

reply to post by princeofpeace


haha..reading this thread got me to DL Topgun again haha haven't seen it in yeaars good post, I love the F22..such a sexy and versatile aircraft!

reply to post by NotAnAspie


You mean like they shot back in November? So we should just let them shoot down anything they want since it's their back yard? We should just stop anti-piracy patrols, and leave to keep from upsetting them?

Zaphod58
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

You mean like they shot back in November? So we should just let them shoot down anything they want since it's their back yard? We should just stop anti-piracy patrols, and leave to keep from upsetting them?

Exactly. Stop picking fights. Stop making excuses to pick fights.

Finally we agree on something.

reply to post by NotAnAspie


Ah right. So we should just let the pirates that the international community is there to stop hijack any ship they want to and not try to stop them. Screw the world, just let anyone do whatever they want to do as long as we stay away from everyone.

Zaphod58
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

Ah right. So we should just let the pirates that the international community is there to stop hijack any ship they want to and not try to stop them. Screw the world, just let anyone do whatever they want to do as long as we stay away from everyone.

Ok... first pick your side of the story and stick with it.

Was the US pilot there to police pirates or to mess with an Iranian pilot?

I can't work with your story until you get it straight. Let me know when you do.

reply to post by NotAnAspie


Read the article first and you'll see what's going on. No one was there to mess with any Iranian pilot. My "story" hasn't changed a bit. You just haven't bothered to even try to find out what was going on.

A Predator UAV was flying an anti-piracy mission in international airspace when two Iranian F-4s attempted to intercept it. The Predator was being escorted by two F-22s after Iran tried to shoot down a Predator in international airspace in November. The F-22 pilot warned off the F-4 pilots to keep them away from the Predator, which was in international airspace, to protect it.

Zaphod58
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

Read the article first and you'll see what's going on. No one was there to mess with any Iranian pilot. My "story" hasn't changed a bit. You just haven't bothered to even try to find out what was going on.

A Predator UAV was flying an anti-piracy mission in international airspace when two Iranian F-4s attempted to intercept it. The Predator was being escorted by two F-22s after Iran tried to shoot down a Predator in international airspace in November. The F-22 pilot warned off the F-4 pilots to keep them away from the Predator, which was in international airspace, to protect it.

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And again... not sure what part of this story is supposed to sound like anti-piracy but I don't buy it for a second.

I'm not sure why you think repeating the term makes it more convincing.

If Iran sent spy planes near the US in international waters... you know damn good and well they wouldn't be in the air long or that it would be used as to fuel threat propaganda about Iran. We wouldn't tolerate it but you expect Iran to tolerate it.

No matter how you try to paint it, instigation is instigation. Anyone would know that was a spy plane.

Try telling me one more time that wasn't a spy plane. I just want to see you put it directly in black and white.

reply to post by NotAnAspie


You mean like the Russian bombers that overflew Guam, and fly constantly over Europe?

It was an anti-piracy mission, which is why the Predator was in international airspace, over international waters. Flying in international airspace isn't going to do a damn thing as far as spying on Iran. A Predator's cameras can't see that far, and it's already flying beyond 12 miles off shore. Show me a camera that's going to be able to see into Iran from beyond the 12 mile limit, at low altitude, and get any useable information.

But you know better of course. You know exactly what the US would do, and what they are doing there. You're so much smarter than everyone else, so you know why the Predator was there.

Where the hell have I said it wasn't a spy plane? Show me once. You really need to learn better reading comprehension. But a UAV with cameras doesn't mean that it was there to overfly Iran. A Predator trying to fly anywhere near Iran's defenses would be dead in seconds.

Ok, so some of you think the US did something wrong? Wow, the Iranian fighters were following our drone, we merged into formation, identified the weapons on-board the enemy fighters, and then in international airspace, shared it with a pack of Phantoms very closely.

reply to post by NotAnAspie

Good work on here. But really you are banging your head against the brick wall of those who insist they have a right to rattle sabers in anyones face while pretending thats not what they are doing. Typical drones. War in the name of peace. Our gun, jet, boat is bigger and faster than yours. Male penis envy...


USA! USA! USA!

reply to post by SixX18

Ok, so some of you think the US did something wrong?

Not at all.

Oh, wait... unless you consider Iraq (1 and 2), Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, trillions of dollars spent on men and materiel to surround and penetrate the entire region. They ain't stupid, ya know. Or forgetful.

Nah, Iran has nothing to be overly concerned about. Is there a tongue in cheek emoticon?

reply to post by princeofpeace

Zaphod58
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

You mean like the Russian bombers that overflew Guam, and fly constantly over Europe?

It was an anti-piracy mission, which is why the Predator was in international airspace, over international waters. Flying in international airspace isn't going to do a damn thing as far as spying on Iran. A Predator's cameras can't see that far, and it's already flying beyond 12 miles off shore. Show me a camera that's going to be able to see into Iran from beyond the 12 mile limit, at low altitude, and get any useable information.

But you know better of course. You know exactly what the US would do, and what they are doing there. You're so much smarter than everyone else, so you know why the Predator was there.

Where the hell have I said it wasn't a spy plane? Show me once. You really need to learn better reading comprehension. But a UAV with cameras doesn't mean that it was there to overfly Iran. A Predator trying to fly anywhere near Iran's defenses would be dead in seconds.

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Oh, now you're trying to claim it was BOTH a spy plane and an anti-piracy mission. Of course, because you know you can't deny it was a spy plane. The camera doesn't have to reach Iran if it is monitoring the ships going to and fro, which tells them who is doing business with Iran and we all know that is top priority for the US in this whole ordeal. This whole thing has been to either control or choke off Iranian oil because it is not controlled by the western oil tycoons. The US had already made it clear it plans to sanction anyone doing business with Iran in the months past... anti-piracy=BS. It is my opinion that it is most likely spying on Iran's trade so it can calculate global plans. The US wants to know who is coming in and out of there. Piracy is just an excuse... yes, let the powers over there deal with piracy and stop trying to feed me lies that are so obviously lies.

As for guam, you must have never looked at guam on a map because the US stole that island from it's original inhabitants as a base close to China. TOO close to try to convince anyone it was for liberation. If not, why didn't we give it back to the indigenous inhabitants. The west had dirty garrison deals with japan and there is so much evidence of this, it isn't funny. Every place that Japan invaded, Europeans were also there invading. Research it. The Japanese Imperial Army was used as invading dogs for European elites in their shady alliance prior to the war and when that started going sour due to the realization of how ruthless they were being to Chinese and Koreans, then they shifted it to a fight between communist and nationalist, of which the leader of Chinese nationalist trained in japan and studied in the UK.


We had people in our government who were weary and resisted this but it was brought upon the US by elites in the UK to get us into the war and powers in the US let themselves be sucked in because of the fear of Asian trade taking over western trade (exactly what is happening) Don't even try to pretend for one second that an Asia power doesn't have every right to fly over Guam. Russia with it's alliance with china has more right be in Guam than the US does.

SO.... If this wasn't all done to pin down the huge Asian trade and keep it from influencing global economics then why didn't we let go off all those places we took over in Asia and the Pacific?...since we never came right out and declared war against Asian economics and Asian Communist... when we have been fighting them the the whole time and calling it something else.

History clearly shows you that the western empire had been attacking the huge dynamic Chinese trade since the 1800s. it has been going on longer but you can get very detailed examples of it even in the late 1800s.

And today... it is the SAME CRAP. You want to argue with hundreds of years of history, go right ahead but anyone with any sense knows that was a spy plane monitoring business coming in and out of Iran... and NO, we would not tolerate the same kind of spying from Iran.

It's like letting someone rob your neighbor then after they've robbed your neighbor, you go over and say... this place has been robbed and it needs more security so you look at your neighbor and say "you have to go somewhere else and don't come back because this place has been robbed and I'm the security now"

If the US doesn't like Russia flying over Guam, maybe it should leave. ever thought about that?

Chinese territory should have gone back to the Chinese. Invaded islands should have gone back to the people who they were taken from.... but noooooo...

We gave taiwan to nationalist instead of the government of china and we gave other territories to our so called enemy JAPAN...then the UK takes hong kong and the japanese were still in vietnam after the war in some weird proxy cooperation with french who were also trying to take it over and decades later it results in the most needless and dirty war... and you still want to back these territory invading, lying elite assholes?

well, you just right ahead and do that "Mr.We've got a right to go spy on Iran and make ourselves looks like instigating dicks"

good job... good job, a job well done if that was the mission you were going for.

Do I have to think it's all cool and all "TOP GUN"?

NO.

I don't admire bullies who don't know their own history.
I think it's an invitation for bad karma but keep it up if you think you can challenge fate.

we''ll see.

intrptr
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

Good work on here. But really you are banging your head against the brick wall of those who insist they have a right to rattle sabers in anyones face while pretending thats not what they are doing. Typical drones. War in the name of peace. Our gun, jet, boat is bigger and faster than yours. Male penis envy...


USA! USA! USA!

edit on 26-9-2013 by intrptr because: spelling

Oh, I hear ya... Like of all the threats we have made about stopping iran and sanctioning iran and toppling their allies and sending weapons and funding other countries who are toppling their allies, they are just supposed to think it's all cool for the US to send as many drones over as it wants and they should be grateful.

I mean HOW BLIND does a person have to be at this point? HOW BLIND?

NotAnAspie
Oh, now you're trying to claim it was BOTH a spy plane and an anti-piracy mission. Of course, because you know you can't deny it was a spy plane.

Again, where did he say it was a spy plane? What different would it make if it was? It was on an anti-piracy mission, apparently some of you don't keep up with problems going on in the region.

The camera doesn't have to reach Iran if it is monitoring the ships going to and fro

i.e. Pirates and vessels that would be targets for pirates that need to be kept a close eye on.

which tells them who is doing business with Iran and we all know that is top priority for the US in this whole ordeal.

Or pirates - since you know...that's what they're there for and Iran hasn't had any issues getting supplies lately.

This whole thing has been to either control or choke off Iranian oil because it is not controlled by the western oil tycoons.

And yet it makes up less than 30% of the oil used by the U.S.

The US had already made it clear it plans to sanction anyone doing business with Iran in the months past...

Source?

anti-piracy=BS.

This line has no substance and is therefore just as much "BS" as you claim the facts to be.

It is my opinion that it is most likely spying on Iran's trade so it can calculate global plans.

Because obviously sea is the only place that trade would come in...and, you know...because Iran trades with pirates all of the time.

The US wants to know who is coming in and out of there. Piracy is just an excuse...

No, it's fact.

yes, let the powers over there deal with piracy and stop trying to feed me lies that are so obviously lies.

So you just claimed BS to the piracy early, and are now saying it's legit. You're doing more flip flopping than a U.S. Presidential Candidate on the Campaign Trail.

As for guam, you must have never looked at guam on a map because the US stole that island from it's original inhabitants as a base close to China.

So because that territory doesn't belong to the U.S., it still makes it okay for the Russians to fly missions over it that are unauthorized...gotcha.

TOO close to try to convince anyone it was for liberation. If not, why didn't we give it back to the indigenous inhabitants. The west had dirty garrison deals with japan and there is so much evidence of this, it isn't funny. Every place that Japan invaded, Europeans were also there invading. Research it. The Japanese Imperial Army was used as invading dogs for European elites in their shady alliance prior to the war and when that started going sour due to the realization of how ruthless they were being to Chinese and Koreans, then they shifted it to a fight between communist and nationalist, of which the leader of Chinese nationalist trained in japan and studied in the UK.

What history book are you reading?

We had people in our government who were weary and resisted this but it was brought upon the US by elites in the UK to get us into the war and powers in the US let themselves be sucked in because of the fear of Asian trade taking over western trade (exactly what is happening) Don't even try to pretend for one second that an Asia power doesn't have every right to fly over Guam. Russia with it's alliance with china has more right be in Guam than the US does.

That logic makes no sense. Using that logic we should just randomly fly B-52's armed with nuclear weapons over Canada and Mexico just "because we're in the region."

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History clearly shows you that the western empire had been attacking the huge dynamic Chinese trade since the 1800s. it has been going on longer but you can get very detailed examples of it even in the late 1800s.

History shows nothing of the sort other than the imperialistic approaches in the late 19th century. However, you fail to mention the fact that the Spanish, French and Dutch were all occupying sects in the region since way before that - and those forces is who were went to war with. That's what history texts ACTUALLY say.

And today... it is the SAME CRAP. You want to argue with hundreds of years of history, go right ahead

Except your history is bad or your sources are bad. It's one or the other as you haven't brought up anything that's historically accurate yet.

but anyone with any sense knows that was a spy plane monitoring business coming in and out of Iran...

No, it was because we were monitoring a major problem with pirates 4 miles outside of Iranian airspace.

and NO, we would not tolerate the same kind of spying from Iran.

We would have to due to international law, and if the issue with piracy was that bad here we would tolerate it. Especially if they were using an MQ-1 which is easy to shoot down.

It's like letting someone rob your neighbor then after they've robbed your neighbor, you go over and say... this place has been robbed and it needs more security so you look at your neighbor and say "you have to go somewhere else and don't come back because this place has been robbed and I'm the security now"

...what?

If the US doesn't like Russia flying over Guam, maybe it should leave. ever thought about that?

Obviously, because America has no global presence that various countries depend on. Pulling them out of everywhere - no one would notice and no collapses would happen...surely.

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We gave taiwan to nationalist instead of the government of china and we gave other territories to our so called enemy JAPAN...then the UK takes hong kong and the japanese were still in vietnam after the war in some weird proxy cooperation with french who were also trying to take it over and decades later it results in the most needless and dirty war... and you still want to back these territory invading, lying elite * up?[

While I don't agree that things went the best in Vietnam, you obviously have never read much into the Red Scare and the United States believing in the Domino Theory. It was a dirty war, but it has no relevance to this topic.

well, you just right ahead and do that "Mr.We've got a right to go spy on Iran and make ourselves looks like instigating *"

We have the right to be flying that airspace. It has nothing to do with "look what we can do."

I don't admire bullies

I don't admire people use profanity to try and make an intelligent debate seem dramatic.

who don't know their own history.

Neither do I. Buy a history book please.