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I think the Muslim Community would get MUCH further with respect and understanding if the effort were to correct the misrepresentation BY MUSLIMS
Originally posted by butcherguy
Ok. I just looked back. Crusades... Muslims and Christians killing each other, both sides committing atrocities.
Let us go to the present now. This is where we are and the time in which we can cause things in the future to be better.
Christians are not (today) going around committing acts of terrorism and backing their actions with what is written in the Bible.
Countries that still have a majority Christian population are not imprisoning Muslims for owning a copy of the Koran.
Try owning a copy of the Bible in some Islamic countries. Today.... not the 11th century!
As I said, people should quit trying to 'organize' a religion, and just believe what you believe in your heart. Just keep it to yourself, so it doesn't inhibit the belief's of others.
This instruction tells Muslims that although this world is not stable and we will travel from this world , but we(Muslims) should stand up for the rights that god has granted us. The rights like our soil and our resources.
Originally posted by mideast
Salam and peace to all ATS members.
It has been a long time that western MSM govts has been launching programs to stop rich oil region nations from fighting invaders and thieves.
I started this thread regarding a recent thread that is trying to follow the same line that western media is going
I didn't expect to see this on ATS.
Main idea
The main idea of this thread is to explain how false you have been informed about Jihad.
Jihad is a name for an instruction. This instruction tells Muslims that although this world is not stable and we will travel from this world , but we(Muslims) should stand up for the rights that god has granted us. The rights like our soil and our resources.
It has been a year I have been on ATS and I was informed about this site before.
I have seen many western members that say "I will fight if some one attacks America , or UK , or...But I won't go to fight and kill in Iraq"
I am telling you people that Muslims think the same way and that is all that Jihad wants us to do. And despite the name , the idea is functioning the same everywhere and all the time.
But your govt and MSM tells you that killing innocents and without warning in masses is Jihad , while it is not.
We are not what your govt tells you we are.
peace , M.E.
Bottom line, no matter how much you try to put a happy face sticker on it, the truth always finds a way to testify to the reality of the times in which we live
If anyone out there wants to believe the peaceful sheep among us song and dance, go for it, but I'm not buying it.
Would that we could better understand each other; may this thread assist in that goal. Thank you OP, for your insights.
What countries are the "soil"?
Originally posted by Fromabove
I used my interpretation of what the Quran said because what it says it says plainly, and that's the interpretation.
Originally posted by Fromabove
I have read the Quran and I will tell you that Jihad in the sense that Islam holds it is the struggle to dominate and eventually rule the world under a total Islamic government and religion (which is one and the same).
In the Quran, they are instructed to go into the lands of the enemy (all who are not muslim) and wait until such time as you have sufficient numbers to wage Jihad. Live among them, grow in number, eat their sustenance and then fight and overtake them.
Originally posted by Fromabove
As for the wars, we should have just destroyed their countries for their involvement in 9/11 and walked away. I don't believe in nation building, and you can't change those people because they are what they are. They don't care about peace, or the western nations, but they'll take whatever you have to offer and let you think they appreciate it.
Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by Fromabove
Originally posted by Fromabove
I used my interpretation of what the Quran said because what it says it says plainly, and that's the interpretation.
Originally posted by Fromabove
I have read the Quran and I will tell you that Jihad in the sense that Islam holds it is the struggle to dominate and eventually rule the world under a total Islamic government and religion (which is one and the same).
In the Quran, they are instructed to go into the lands of the enemy (all who are not muslim) and wait until such time as you have sufficient numbers to wage Jihad. Live among them, grow in number, eat their sustenance and then fight and overtake them.
You must have a very creative mind and active imagination, then, because the Quran says none of that.
Originally posted by Fromabove
As for the wars, we should have just destroyed their countries for their involvement in 9/11 and walked away. I don't believe in nation building, and you can't change those people because they are what they are. They don't care about peace, or the western nations, but they'll take whatever you have to offer and let you think they appreciate it.
Supporting the wanton slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocents? So you're a jihadi not only in the sense that mideast meant it, but also in the sense that you probably take it. Cool.edit on 3-6-2013 by babloyi because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by shapur
Those bearded rag headed extremists ready to blow themselves up,are in no way representing Muslims or Islamic ideologies...They are just a bunch of payed ignorant fanatics who do different missions for different clients,they have nothing to do with real Islam, jihad or Hezbollah ,etc...The overall image that the west has portrayed of Islam is been overly exaggerated to say the least....The same thing is happening in the eastern media when they evilize almost anything west does and paint Americans/British with blood dropping out of their claws while biting into an oil refinery with people still falling down from it...The fact is that the governments and media like to fabricate enemies and bad guys to sell arms,redirect peoples attention from real problems and unite them under one flag and to keep masses busy watching news and entertainments while consuming their products and feeling guilty, confused! and afraid of big bad bearded terrorists.
Originally posted by mideast
Jihad is a name for an instruction. This instruction tells Muslims that although this world is not stable and we will travel from this world , but we(Muslims) should stand up for the rights that god has granted us. .
Originally posted by mideast
No one said Islam is a religion of being stillness or surrendering.
It values are based on logic and common sense.
Originally posted by Fromabove
I'm not even going to rebut you on what the Quran says because you know what it says
Originally posted by Fromabove
And no, I don't support the killing of innocents because they are and were not innocent. They are innocent by Islamic standards so in your eyes and the eyes of Islam they are innocent. But to the west they were terrorist harboring nations that sought to harm the United States and so punishing them for that effort was justice.