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To be frank, if we had that undeniable fact, nothing short of them admitting it, it would incriminate themselves. However we can take precedent with science.
Deflect deflect deflect. You seem quite adept at throwing out these statements that have nothing to do with the topic
Science does not discriminate against race or creed, it is an understanding/knowledge of way of Life. It is also a business where lots and lots of money can be made in the scientific sector with such powers and capabilities. All over the world not just in America
Weather manipulation. Yes they have. Can you provide a single piece of evidence that HAARP is part of that?
Declassified documents and scientific articles prove the military and gov't have been developing weather controlling technology for decades.
For the millionth time, please provide this evidence and these facts. Claiming you have them means nothing, when you spend a dozen pages doing everything you can to avoid showing them.
There is a political storm in Washington. Knowing a fraction, but imagining the possibilities to an extent of what they are capable of, we theorist, can conclude with coinciding evidences/facts
There is nothing open minded about clinging to a baseless, factless theory.
, like putting 2+2 together, or using an "open mind," that the possibility that this tornado was manipulated to be bigger than it was originated to be, because of precedent and because we know who the enemy is.
Im not protecting anyone. I am asking for the evidence that you claim to have. If you can provide it, ill gladly give it the attention it deserves.
The enemy is the institution you are protecting
Originally posted by whatzshaken
When a Butterfly flaps its wings.
Butterfly Effect/Chaos Theory
I already posted a comparison between the energy sent from haarp and the energy sent from solar storms. Unfortunately, facts dont seem to be to valuable to this poster.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by whatzshaken
When a Butterfly flaps its wings.
Butterfly Effect/Chaos Theory
Umm, no. First, the atmosphere is continuously blasted with all sorts of energy coming from space which comes in random patterns and in quantities that would make HAARP not even a butterfly, but an atom in its wing. Second, to actually use a tiny variation in initial conditions one has to understand most of them with same precision, which is seriously beyond impossible.
I already posted a comparison between the energy sent from haarp and the energy sent from solar storms. Unfortunately, facts dont seem to be to valuable to this poster.
Is HAARP a classified project?
HAARP is not classified. There are no classified documents pertaining to HAARP. The Environmental Impact Process (EIP) documents have always been, are now, and will always be completely descriptive of the program in its entirety. The EIP documents are a matter of public record.
Not true whatsoever. All this tells me is that you didnt actually follow the links, or read the info.
The only links you have provided are to HAARP itself and a link to proof?
Again, no one is arguing that weather MANIPULATION (again, that you keep calling it control shows your ignorance on the subject) isnt possible. Now, please provide ANY proof that HAARP is used for that purpose in ANY way.
There has been numerous links pictures and videos providing further information that weather control is possible and the gov'ts(NWO) controls this technology.
Well thats an easy cop-out, isnt it? "I heard the gov't has purple leprechauns that can control the weather. What? You want proof? Well, they wouldnt let any evidence slip out. So you'll just have to believe me"
Why would they incriminate themselves with information that they can manipulate weather conditions with the HAARP System?
Multiple agencies, actually.
Who controls HAARP?
I assume this is another empty claim that you wont back up with evidence....
The people, NWO (gov't) feeding you this information are lying. There is precedent.
Naw, you are just trolling. Flat out.
You are insulting my intelligence and giving me a headache.
Even though you keep falling back to this, it doesnt change the fact that A)no one has argued that it cant; and B)you still have not produced a single shred that indicates it has ANYTHING to do with HAARP.
Either you believe they can manipulate the weather or you don't.
Then why are you still avoiding providing it? Again, you can claimi it all day long if you want, the fact that you are going on and on, round and round, over and over, to deflect from providing these, is very telling.
I believe they can with facts and proof.
Its also possible that flying butt monkeys did.
Is it possible with their scientific knowledge the govt (NWO) manipulated the tornado?
I believe yes because of precedent and Time it buys the govt (NWO) in the wake of collapse of the Obama administration.
They sure do.
They kill for money, they kill for blood, they would sacrifice their own for the greater good (perspective) of their agenda.
Nothing is black and white.
You either see it or you don't. its black and white.
So, for the millionth and first time, please provide this information. As of yet, you have not provided one single piece to back up your claims.
If you cant see it with the amount of information that has been presented to you and is available, you are either being defiant or obtuse.
Another large group of words that does nothing but deflect from the calls for evidence.
Originally posted by WonderBoi
A few of you are doing nothing but spewing personal opinions, not fact based! You want facts, and when they are given to you, you say: "No those aren't facts". So, define what IS a fact, and what ISN'T a fact. You agree that Tesla's technology is a reality, but you don't agree that it has been advanced, over the past 100 years, with MAJOR GOVERNMENT FUNDING. That's where you seem to be lost. Perhaps you still don't get "the game".
For example: i come up with an invention, i make a prototype and get the necessary patents. At that point, I'M GOING TO NEED FUNDING TO REPRODUCE MY IDEA ON A LARGER SCALE; unless i'm already packing enough money for: Materials, Labor, Expenses, Marketing and Advertising, etc, etc. Now, along the way, one of the "big dogs" sees my prototype and begins thinking how much money THEY can make off of my product. So, they smooze me, and make me feel like part of the family. They pamper me and give me whatever i need to make my prototype their PRODUCT! Everything i need, at that point, is at my disposal. Once the prototype starts getting manufactured, they offer me a 'sweet deal' that i can't resist; so i sell my patents to them, at asking price. Now, if they 'really like' my invention, and i don't want to sell because i know it's worth 100 times more, than asking price; if they want my invention bad enough, they will make my life miserable until i finally give in. If my idea has the potential to make millions, billions, or even trillions of dollars, best believe, the sharks will be smelling the blood from thousands of miles away. That's how the game REALLY works. Cut it, slice it, dice it, call it what you want, but that's TRUTH. That's FACT! Digest before you regurgitate.
The ONLY WAY anyone is "making it" these days is by getting through tptb. I'm not talking about making a salary, i'm talking about impacting a civilization, with an IDEA! Free energy exists, are you getting it for "free"? Why not???
BTW, if i wanted to be "liked" on a website, filled with people i don't even know, i'd stay on facebook. lol I thought i was coming to a website away from the norm. As far as my "condescending attitude", it all depends on how you look at the cup: half empty or half full. I think it's pretty condescending for people to look at a persons join date, stars and flags, and presume they know something about that person's knowledge, intelligence, or education.
I, and multiple others, have provided facts and scientific data.
And yet you still add nothing useful, to the topic. Here's an existing ATS THREAD, with lots and lots of info regarding HAARP, amongst other things. It seems like that thread is plenty enough for this specific debate. There should be plenty of 'facts' for you there.
Originally posted by WonderBoi
A few of you are doing nothing but spewing personal opinions, not fact based! You want facts, and when they are given to you, you say: "No those aren't facts". So, define what IS a fact, and what ISN'T a fact.
You agree that Tesla's technology is a reality, but you don't agree that it has been advanced, over the past 100 years, with MAJOR GOVERNMENT FUNDING. That's where you seem to be lost.
Perhaps you still don't get "the game".
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by whatzshaken
Its also possible that flying butt monkeys did.
Is it possible with their scientific knowledge the govt (NWO) manipulated the tornado?
Originally posted by WonderBoi
BTW, if i wanted to be "liked" on a website, filled with people i don't even know, i'd stay on facebook.
Generating very low frequency radio waves by modulated heating of the auroral electrojet, useful because generating VLF waves ordinarily requires gigantic antennas
Generating weak luminous glow (measurable, but below that visible with a naked eye) from absorbing HAARP's signal
Generating extremely low frequency waves in the 0.1 Hz range. These are next to impossible to produce any other way, because the length of a transmit antenna is dictated by the wavelength of the signal it must emit.
Generating whistler-mode VLF signals that enter the magnetosphere and propagate to the other hemisphere, interacting with Van Allen radiation belt particles along the way
VLF remote sensing of the heated ionosphere
The atmosphere is a chaotic system, so small changes to one part of the system can grow to have large effects on the system as a whole. Human attempts to control the weather have occurred throughout human history, and there is evidence that human activity such as agriculture and industry has inadvertently modified weather patterns.
Weather warfare is the use of weather modification techniques such as cloud seeding for military purposes.
The Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques (Geneva: 18 May 1977, Entered into force: 5 October 1978) prohibits "widespread, long-lasting or severe effects as the means of destruction, damage or injury".[1] However it has been argued that this permits "local, non-permanent changes".
Prior to the Geneva Convention, the United States used weather warfare in the Vietnam War. Under the auspices of the Air Weather Service, the United States' Operation Popeye used cloud seeding over the Ho Chi Minh Trail, increasing rainfall by an estimated thirty percent during 1967 and 1968. It was hoped that the increased rainfall would reduce the rate of infiltration down the trail.[2]
With much less success, the United States also dropped salt on the airbase during the siege of Khe Sanh in an attempt to reduce the fog that hindered air operations.[citation needed]
A research paper produced for the United States Air Force written in 1996 speculates about the future use of nano-technology to produce "artificial weather", clouds of microscopic computer particle all communicating with each other to form an intelligent fog that could be used for various purposes. "Artificial weather technologies do not currently exist. But as they are developed, the importance of their potential applications rises rapidly." Weather modification technologies are described as "a force multiplier with tremendous power that could be exploited across the full spectrum of war-fighting environments."
Originally posted by WonderBoi
A few of you are doing nothing but spewing personal opinions, not fact based! You want facts, and when they are given to you, you say: "No those aren't facts". So, define what IS a fact, and what ISN'T a fact. You agree that Tesla's technology is a reality, but you don't agree that it has been advanced, over the past 100 years, with MAJOR GOVERNMENT FUNDING. That's where you seem to be lost. Perhaps you still don't get "the game".
For example: i come up with an invention, i make a prototype and get the necessary patents. At that point, I'M GOING TO NEED FUNDING TO REPRODUCE MY IDEA ON A LARGER SCALE; unless i'm already packing enough money for: Materials, Labor, Expenses, Marketing and Advertising, etc, etc. Now, along the way, one of the "big dogs" sees my prototype and begins thinking how much money THEY can make off of my product. So, they smooze me, and make me feel like part of the family. They pamper me and give me whatever i need to make my prototype their PRODUCT! Everything i need, at that point, is at my disposal. Once the prototype starts getting manufactured, they offer me a 'sweet deal' that i can't resist; so i sell my patents to them, at asking price. Now, if they 'really like' my invention, and i don't want to sell because i know it's worth 100 times more, than asking price; if they want my invention bad enough, they will make my life miserable until i finally give in. If my idea has the potential to make millions, billions, or even trillions of dollars, best believe, the sharks will be smelling the blood from thousands of miles away. That's how the game REALLY works. Cut it, slice it, dice it, call it what you want, but that's TRUTH. That's FACT! Digest before you regurgitate.
The ONLY WAY anyone is "making it" these days is by getting through tptb. I'm not talking about making a salary, i'm talking about impacting a civilization, with an IDEA! Free energy exists, are you getting it for "free"? Why not???
BTW, if i wanted to be "liked" on a website, filled with people i don't even know, i'd stay on facebook. lol I thought i was coming to a website away from the norm. As far as my "condescending attitude", it all depends on how you look at the cup: half empty or half full. I think it's pretty condescending for people to look at a persons join date, stars and flags, and presume they know something about that person's knowledge, intelligence, or education.