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reply to post by Nightaudit
Text2: How do you cope with the obviously wrong and horrible laws and statements in the bible? (How to treat your slaves and that it´s ok to beat them, women´s "right´s", that we have to stone people that wear two different fabrics and all that jazz). In other words, do you pick the nice points out of the bible and ignore the bad ones? Or do you accept everything in it?
reply to post by Nightaudit
Text2: How do you cope with the obviously wrong and horrible laws and statements in the bible? (How to treat your slaves and that it´s ok to beat them, women´s "right´s", that we have to stone people that wear two different fabrics and all that jazz). In other words, do you pick the nice points out of the bible and ignore the bad ones? Or do you accept everything in it?
reply to post by Nightaudit
Text2: How do you cope with the obviously wrong and horrible laws and statements in the bible? (How to treat your slaves and that it´s ok to beat them, women´s "right´s", that we have to stone people that wear two different fabrics and all that jazz). In other words, do you pick the nice points out of the bible and ignore the bad ones? Or do you accept everything in it?
Originally posted by Nightaudit
reply to post by blamethegreys
You´re a geologist? And as you believe in moses, am I right an assuming that you believe the flood story as well? And you´re a geologist? Maybe I assume wrong here, but could you tell me a bit more how that fits together?
Do you even believe in genesis as a literal story of creation?
Originally posted by Nightaudit
Hi guys,
I just wanted to get your take on a few points that always made me kind of doubt in the bible and it´s validity as THE holy book.
My intention here is not to step on anyone´s toes, but to try to understand how believers view certain things. Maybe I can learn something from you or at the very least I can understand your position better.
I would like to focus this thread on the following three points that kinda sum my doubts up.
1: If you were born in a non christian country with a different main religion, would you still somehow end up a christian?
2: How do you cope with the obviously wrong and horrible laws and statements in the bible? (How to treat your slaves and that it´s ok to beat them, women´s "right´s", that we have to stone people that wear two different fabrics and all that jazz). In other words, do you pick the nice points out of the bible and ignore the bad ones? Or do you accept everything in it?
3: I personally would detest the god who pulled that stunt with Abraham and Isaac. Or the god who completely wipes out whole ecosystems including innocent animals, just because he doesn´t like the ways of men. I wouldn´t WANT that to be true.
Those are the three big ones that made me leave church. I know that the religion you choose is mainly dependent on what country you grow up in and what your parents believe in. And as not believing in another god is one of the 10 commandments, that means that the majority of the worlds population will go to hell without even a chance.
The second one is obvious. Most christians cherry pick, and the ones that don´t are in the westboro baptist church. What I would like to know is how you justify the selection for yourself.
And lastly, I regard the christian god as a pretty selfish and ego driven deity. I am sorry to be so harsh, but who in his right mind would want to follow a god who does atrocious things like that?
That´s it I guess. I just wanted to get that out there and see what you guys think about it. Again, no disrespect to anyone, but things are there to be discussed.
Oh, and if you have any questions for me (I believe in god and know science to be correct as well) feel free to ask anything you want. That road has to go both ways of course.
Know this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
II Peter 3:3-6
Originally posted by curiousme333
Hello. Might be a bit off topic here, or maybe not. what has interested me over the yrs is when somebody young, or a child dies, in whatever circumstance, I often hear someone say that god has better plans for them. Does that imply that he made a mistake by allowing them to be born in the first place? Always heard that he is all knowing. past, present, and future. To me it is contradictory to what I was taught as a child. I will admit that I am a non believer, even though I once thought I was a believer, but it raised so many questions , and brought about such torment in my life trying to reach out to him that I finally had to abandon the whole thing. Also, what has bothered me over the years is the fact that religion seems to be an adult oriented idea. My personal feelings about what a true god would be means that even children would know him immediatly and not have to spend their whole life trying to figure out if it is all real or not. I still struggle every day to understand.
The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times24 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
The Day and Hour Unknown36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."
the 6000 year old earth line, simply is 2nd hand disinformation passed off as fact. people have taken
2 Peter 3 which says - ‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’
and combined it with god made the earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th. then its put into some sort of math equasion the way you would plug in variables. it was never meant to be taken literaly, thast why they used teh word "like". this is what i find 99% of the bibles misunderstandings come from.
Originally posted by curiousme333
reply to post by StalkerSolent
Thanks for your input. Maybe I have been wrong and will face the wrath for giving up. But I do know one thing that I have always believed. And that is, if there is a god, so perfect and loving, he will see what is in my heart and soul, and maybe even weep.
By the way, I do hope that your job is not in a research lab that misuses animals - Zoos kind of make me sick, but if it's a medical facility for injured or ill animals, that's cool.
Do you ever wonder if that monkey is holding your hand, listening to you, and that is how he is asking you to help him escape from that cage? That's what comes to my mind when I saw that pic and read your anecdote about him.
“Supposing there was no intelligence behind the universe, no creative mind. In that case, nobody designed my brain for the purpose of thinking. It is merely that when the atoms inside my skull happen, for physical or chemical reasons, to arrange themselves in a certain way, this gives me, as a by-product, the sensation I call thought. But, if so, how can I trust my own thinking to be true? It’s like upsetting a milk jug and hoping that the way it splashes itself will give you a map of London. But if I can’t trust my own thinking, of course I can’t trust the arguments leading to Atheism, and therefore have no reason to be an Atheist, or anything else. Unless I believe in God, I cannot believe in thought: so I can never use thought to disbelieve in God.”
Maybe that's not the ending God intended, maybe we can learn to love one another. If we could learn to kill one another how much easier it should be to learn to love one another. Could we be at a state of evolution or will it just be a few. I am dreamer, I think we are ready to move forward.
Originally posted by JesusChristwins
reply to post by MikeHawke
It is not a coincidence. It is part of the NWO plan. The "4th Scenario" of the NWO says that the aliens are making contact with us. The next moment we welcome them to the Earth and then the antichrist appears to become our link to them. The "aliens" say that he is "sent by GOD" and people believe in him and they take the beast's mark as he will say. Again it's a scenario of NWO. It may happen, it may not.
Originally posted by Nightaudit
Originally posted by undo
the god of the old testament is more than one god.
Said no christian ever...
So, you DO believe in a whole different story, don´t you? Care to enlighten us? In a short way if you can manage?