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Originally posted by kx12x
reply to post by Tw0Sides
Have you ever purchased a firearm in the US before?
If not, let me walk you through it..
Once you decide on your firearm of choice, the shop attendee hands you a piece of paper with a big list of questions, regarding mental history and criminal history, among other things. After you've checked/signed/dated everything, the attendee will ask for your drivers license and then have a background check on you.
Once you're cleared, you can pay for the firearm and walk out.
So how does a "universal" background check change anything when we already have background checks?
The administration didn't expect the Semi auto AR15 and Magazines ban to work when they proposed it and (knowing it would fail) they proposed the background checks, using the Magazine/rifle ban as a buffer to the background check proposal, which is anyones guess what that really means since, again, we already have background checks.
Not sure if you can grasp the concept, though.
In the four years since Barack Obama was first elected president in November 2008, an estimated 67 million firearms have been purchased in the United States.
Number of Privately Owned Firearms
The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in the United States is 270,000,000
Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population
The rate of private gun ownership in the United States is 88.82 firearms per 100 people
Number of Military Firearms
The defence forces of the United States are reported to have 3,054,553 firearms
Number of Law Enforcement Firearms
Police in the United States are reported to have 1,150,000 firearms
In the United States, annual deaths resulting from firearms total
2011: 32,1635
2010: 31,6726
2009: 31,347 2
008: 31,593
2007: 31,224
2006: 30,896
2005: 30,694
2004: 29,569
2003: 30,136
2002: 30,242
2001: 29,573
2000: 28,663
1999: 28,874
In the United States, annual firearm homicides total
2011: 11,1015
2010: 11,0786
2009: 11,4936
2008: 12,179
2007: 12,632
2006: 12,791
2005: 12,352
2004: 11,624
2003: 11,920
2002: 11,8296
2001: 11,348
2000: 10,8016
1999: 10,8286 8
In the United States, annual handgun homicides total
2011: 6,220
2010: 6,115
2009: 6,501
2008: 6,800
2007: 7,398
2006: 997
2005: 1,074
2004: 1,011
2003: 1,011
2002: 1,024
2001: 1,014
2000: 1,068
1999: 1,082
In the United States, annual long gun homicides total
2011: 679
2010: 733
2009: 774
2008: 822
2007: 910
2006: 768
2005: 765
2004: 714
2003: 687
2002: 744
2001: 758
2000: 694
1999: 693
In the United States, annual firearm suicides total
2011: 19,7665
2010: 19,3926
2009: 18,735
2008: 18,223
2007: 17,352
2006: 16,883
2005: 17,0026
2004: 16,7506
2003: 16,907
2002: 17,108
2001: 16,8696
21 2000: 16,5866
1999: 16,599
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Originally posted by undertheraydar
reply to post by eXia7
The problem our country has with guns is that they have ignored the mental health issue for many many years. We have become a pill society in that docs would rather prescribe a pill and send someone home due to the kickbacs from big pharma. It works fine while they are planning and acting sane then BANG one day they snap and decide to kill on a massive scale. Outlaw guns they will do it with knives, outlaw knives they will do it with clubs, etc. Mental health is the issue period. They have overlooked the corrective action for years and just want to jump on the bandwagon to get re-elected. I agree with universal background checks and hate what happened to his wife but this whole discussion is going in the wrong direction.
According to Kelly, if Paul, Cruz, Lee, Rubio, and Inhofe follow through with this opposition they will be held accountable by their constituents.
He is becoming somewhat of an outlandish character in reality. The guy is a complete shill, and he'll use the tragic incident that happened with his wife as leverage in the debate. That's why I said he would make a great puppet to push the agenda.
if our representatives were actually representing the People, there should be no momentum necessary.
If senators such as Rand, Lee, Cruz keep fighting, Hopefully we can gain momentum
it should be said, YOU, the buyer/consumer walks out without the weapon in hand.
Once you're cleared, you can pay for the firearm and walk out.
Originally posted by neo96
It needs to be filbusted why does a person need to ask permission to own a firearm?
Really someone explain it to me?
Background check did not stop the Newton shooter, Didn't stop the Columbine shooters.
So again why?
Originally posted by Tw0Sides
I'll try, but not sure if you will Grasp the Concept.
Originally posted by neo96
Really someone explain it to me?
There are a Lot of Americans walking around who are a Few Nuggets short of a Six-pack.
Background checks will help stop some of these folks from attaining Firearms.
Is it Foolproof , of course not, But it will some some of them.
Of course we could go the other Route, and Ban all Firearm Sales.
Would that suit you better.
Correct. Adam Landza passed a background check.
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by NOTurTypical
proof please ??
Correct. Adam Landza passed a background check.
i'm curious how or where he did that when he isn't old enough to legally purchase a handgun.
Lanza age was reported to be 20.
Handgun laws are much stricter than rifle and shotgun laws. And an AR isn't a handgun.
Originally posted by neo96
It needs to be filbusted why does a person need to ask permission to own a firearm?
Really someone explain it to me?
Background check did not stop the Newton shooter, Didn't stop the Columbine shooters.
So again why?
Originally posted by buster2010
Originally posted by neo96
It needs to be filbusted why does a person need to ask permission to own a firearm?
Really someone explain it to me?
Background check did not stop the Newton shooter, Didn't stop the Columbine shooters.
So again why?
So you think that it would be ok for someone to walk out of prison and be able to buy a gun?
Ummm....The largest overarching statistic...is that allot of these pills prescribed for depression etc...CAUSE...suicidal and homicidal ideation. I can almost gaurantee you that if there were an "unbiased" study, you will find a direct correlation to suicidal/homicidal ideation coupled with SSRI prescribed medications and acting out the ideation...
Originally posted by undertheraydar
reply to post by eXia7
The problem our country has with guns is that they have ignored the mental health issue for many many years. We have become a pill society in that docs would rather prescribe a pill and send someone home due to the kickbacs from big pharma. It works fine while they are planning and acting sane then BANG one day they snap and decide to kill on a massive scale. Outlaw guns they will do it with knives, outlaw knives they will do it with clubs, etc. Mental health is the issue period. They have overlooked the corrective action for years and just want to jump on the bandwagon to get re-elected. I agree with universal background checks and hate what happened to his wife but this whole discussion is going in the wrong direction.