Why do you care much about guns ?

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by mideast

 

You should read it.
Also the Bill of Rights.
Also the Federalist Papers.

It might provide insight in how many Americans think.

I understand the concern of American people. Although I have not read the bills of right , I have done some research on the history of America.

The bills of rights is something many Americans think they have inherited from their fathers.

And I respects it.

My point is , the US govt started to act the other way. The bills of right is written according to common sense and logic and moral rules ,mostly.

But what we see US govt did in Japan , in Vietnam , in Afghanistan and Iraq are not according the bills.

The place where US govt is standing today is not somewhere separated from the past. It is a continuous movement.

The people who saw what is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan and said "we can live with this govt" should say the same thing today. The invasions , the TSA , and recent gun ban are pieces of one chain.

I wish well for American people and for other people all around the world.

But , here is a rule. the people who don't bring the change won't get the change

If you have changed and you are acting accordingly , then there is hope for change.

peace.

American pressure pot strategy

Originally posted by D377MC
Unless it has escaped your notice, the guys ravaging Afghanistan are the same idiots who want our guns.

How did you get it ? Your media told you ? You know Afghan people ? You know the majority? How can you even say you know your nation majority ?

What exactly is the point of this thread?

To detect the hypocrites. it is helps them to know themselves.

And

Others can know them well.

reply to post by jibeho

Why do people care so much about taking guns away from law abiding citizens?

Did US mother bombs choose where to hit ? Did it choose between civilians and army? Are the US drones choosing now ?

It is the same way the govt is taking the gun from all of the people.

WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT GUNS?



I care that the full array of Constitutional -Checks and Balances is maintained.



The Founding Fathers put the gun/rifle/arms rights in the Law because of the checks=balance an adequately armed populace-militia would have on a governing body that would become so lopsided that it became TYRANICAL


thats why the 2nd Ammendment was created.... to prevent the very acts of gun control and confiscation that is being seriously considered right now in 2013 no less

Originally posted by mideast
reply to post by jibeho

 

Why do people care so much about taking guns away from law abiding citizens?

Did US mother bombs choose where to hit ? Did it choose between civilians and army? Are the US drones choosing now ?

It is the same way the govt is taking the gun from all of the people.

Sorry buddy. But your statement makes no sense to me....in the context of my post that you quoted.

As for the drone strikes. That is Obama's drone war that is playing out all around the world. Drones controlled by human pilots. It is basically an assassination campaign that is wrong in so many ways. It has nothing to do with with our Second Amendment and my guns.

Originally posted by mideast
reply to post by jibeho

 

Why do people care so much about taking guns away from law abiding citizens?

Did US mother bombs choose where to hit ? Did it choose between civilians and army? Are the US drones choosing now ?

It is the same way the govt is taking the gun from all of the people.

Do the Afghani poppy farmers choose who's veins their heroin gets into? Who's lives are taken because overdose? Seems pretty indiscriminate.

Originally posted by jibeho

Originally posted by mideast
reply to post by jibeho

 

Why do people care so much about taking guns away from law abiding citizens?

Did US mother bombs choose where to hit ? Did it choose between civilians and army? Are the US drones choosing now ?

It is the same way the govt is taking the gun from all of the people.

Sorry buddy. But your statement makes no sense to me....in the context of my post that you quoted.

Please read some of my replies to understand what is the point and purpose of this thread.

Read this story in it's entirety and you should understand why. I live in this town. My grandfather was involved in this little piece of justice for the people.

On August 1-2, 1946, some Americans, brutalized by their county government, used armed force as a last resort to overturn it. These Americans wanted honest open elections. For years they had asked for state or federal election monitors to prevent vote fraud (forged ballots, secret ballot counts and intimidation by armed sheriff's deputies) by the local political boss. They got no help.

These Americans' absolute refusal to knuckle under had been hardened by service in World War II. Having fought to free other countries from murderous regimes, they rejected vicious abuse by their county government.

These Americans had a choice. Their state's Constitution -- Article 1, Section 26 -- recorded their right to keep and bear arms for the common defense. Few "gun control" laws had been enacted.

These Americans were residents of McMinn County, which is located between Chattanooga and Knoxville in Eastern Tennessee. The two main towns were Athens and Etowah. McMinn County residents had long been independent political thinkers. For a long time they also had: accepted bribe-taking by politicians and/or the sheriff to overlook illicit whiskey-making and gambling; financed the sheriff's department from fines-usually for speeding or public drunkenness which promoted false arrests; and put up with voting fraud by both Democrats and Republicans


jpfo.org...

Originally posted by 11235813213455

Originally posted by mideast
reply to post by jibeho

 

Why do people care so much about taking guns away from law abiding citizens?

Did US mother bombs choose where to hit ? Did it choose between civilians and army? Are the US drones choosing now ?

It is the same way the govt is taking the gun from all of the people.

Do the Afghani poppy farmers choose who's veins their heroin gets into? Who's lives are taken because overdose? Seems pretty indiscriminate.

How do you know the majority are making heroin ? Who give you the right to kill them ? I think your govt was looking for OBL in there.

+ Germany and USA are making dangerous chemical weapons. Who gives the right to other countries to attack them ?

If the Us government is so bloody evil that has invaded other countries killing people in Afghanistan etc then why the hell do people think we should get on our knees?

Someone says "we don't care" about afghanistan and other tripe simple fact we care about our guns is because we don't want to become afghanistan eh.

Ponder that sure some will miss that point.

Originally posted by neo96
If the Us government is so bloody evil that has invaded other countries killing people in Afghanistan etc then why the hell do people think we should get on our knees?

Ponder that sure some will miss that point.

I don't say you should get on your knees , I say it is the way things were done yesterday. And tomorrow depends on you.

Someone says "we don't care" about afghanistan and other tripe simple fact we care about our guns is because we don't want to become afghanistan eh.

trusting wolves will always have similar results.

And if you think you are smarter , let it be.

Originally posted by mideast

Originally posted by 11235813213455

Originally posted by mideast
reply to post by jibeho

 

Why do people care so much about taking guns away from law abiding citizens?

Did US mother bombs choose where to hit ? Did it choose between civilians and army? Are the US drones choosing now ?

It is the same way the govt is taking the gun from all of the people.

Do the Afghani poppy farmers choose who's veins their heroin gets into? Who's lives are taken because overdose? Seems pretty indiscriminate.

How do you know the majority are making heroin ? Who give you the right to kill them ? I think your govt was looking for OBL in there.

+ Germany and USA are making dangerous chemical weapons. Who gives the right to other countries to attack them ?

I'm simply making the point that killing indiscriminately for profit is a motive of the Afghanis and that it doesn't require guns or bombs. In fact guns and bombs are the most costly and inefficient way to go about it.

Seems like when you get down to the numbers the Afghanis have a pretty high kill ratio..... And they don't even need to fire a shot. They just have others fire the shot into their arms.. But what do they care? They get paid.

reply to post by mideast


I can reply two ways to your inquiries.The govt makes war discisions by think tanks,"smart" people in a room who are educated in elite schools and their buddies have gotten them into the system. No points for wisdom here just formulaic outcomes.When faced with a "bandit"kind of enemy we aren't too good at fighting them.We have to go after them where ever they hide,unfortunately that could be your neighbor's house. The American people ( contrary to some opinions) care a great deal about the war on terror and the collateral lives we take.The Fed Govt then has to go secret so we can't find out about it. The problem is.....we shouldn't clean up other people's mess they should. We are going after jihadists that should be controlled by either their countries or their faith,who are angry because they have such a small place in life and because the Fed Govt has been acting rogue in secrecy for centuries and has picked a fight with them. I think this is their way of fighting back with their values.
I don't know any muslims personally so I am speculating to answer you,a difficult thing through all the disinfo we are fed.

Our engagement with guns is both traditional and functional.We need them keep soverignty over the govt. 30 round mags military style weapons the whole shebang.
The bills you mention are the result of competition between 2 parties we vote from. Each seeks more control,one wants money more than all else,the other wants socialism.The plight of the American populace and the world are secondary considerations,until we are attacked or should I say until a convenient situation is exploitable to them.
We haven't overthrown yet because they haven't physically attacked us,but they sure are pushing it.

reply to post by mideast


I think the taking of liberties and the destruction of infrastructure started in 1995, under the Taliban. The US used guns to help restore liberties, esspecially to women in Afghanistan. Guns are not the issue, the taliban used many methods of control- the fact of the matter is, guns would have been the only means available for the Afghani people to reassert their liberties, but they were beat into submission by a group that was much better armed. The Afghani people gave up their own liberties because they did not believe certain things were worth dying for. Americans are very different, we believe that one should stand on their values and beliefs, even if it begats our eventual demise, for we know that our brothers will die along side us and eventually our sacrifice will be honored with the sucumbing of those who wish to impede our values.

reply to post by cavtrooper7

I can reply two ways to your inquiries.The govt makes war discisions by think tanks,"smart" people in a room who are educated in elite schools and their buddies have gotten them into the system. No points for wisdom here just formulaic outcomes.When faced with a "bandit"kind of enemy we aren't too good at fighting them.We have to go after them where ever they hide,unfortunately that could be your neighbor's house. The American people ( contrary to some opinions) care a great deal about the war on terror and the collateral lives we take.The Fed Govt then has to go secret so we can't find out about it. The problem is.....we shouldn't clean up other people's mess they should. We are going after jihadists that should be controlled by either their countries or their faith,who are angry because they have such a small place in life and because the Fed Govt has been acting rogue in secrecy for centuries and has picked a fight with them. I think this is their way of fighting back with their values.
I don't know any muslims personally so I am speculating to answer you,a difficult thing through all the disinfo we are fed.

It is simple. Your govt , has and is making wars.

Supporting those fanatics groups and people like Saddam , Qaddafi , and Taliban in a while. But those stupid people want to get back and bite the hand of the US because they know they have been used as a tool. They think they are smart that they can get help from US and bite the hand.

+ This is the ultimate scenario of US enemies in the region. Turkey is acting the same as well as , Saddam , Qaddafi , Al-qaeda , Saudi king , Qatar king , Kowait king , Qaddafi and other smart revolutionaries.

They are one-time use only puppets.

But what you hear in media , is "they are Jihadist , they deserve to die"

Then you come and tell me "When faced with a "bandit"kind of enemy we aren't too good at fighting them.We have to go after them where ever they hide,unfortunately that could be your neighbor's house"

So , US is helping minority extremist groups and then generalize those people to all Muslims and the nations by MSM.

I tell you this , but next time I hear the same thing.

here is a thread :

What US govt is not telling you about extremist groups

www.abovetopsecret.com...

We haven't overthrown yet because they haven't physically attacked us,but they sure are pushing it.

I really don't know what to say.

Keep up the dream.

Maybe UFO guys attack you.

reply to post by mideast


Since they have operated in secrecy we are just now becoming aware of facts thanks to the internet.
May I ask what you suggest?

Ah but I don't generalize it I know there are factions causing this and all are paying for it. I have long known my country's operating system is rogue,that is why I am a conspiaricist,just a "crazy" guy who found out for himself how ugly the picture really is.
Hopefully these eco-terrorists are melting down.Over the years they have armored themselves against the world with laws and money but now the money is running out we'll see.
Put more clearly I understand why they want to cut my head off,I'm just not going to let them do it.

If UFOs go hostile we all are gone,but that's ANOTHER conspiracy.

reply to post by mideast


Ok, I think you are lumping a lot into one subject. First the, there are a lot of us who do care, who have served, and who have tried to work through the democratic process of voting these slags out. The problem with Afgan, Irag, Iran, whatever, is that you have very valuable resources that big corporations want and will drive their puppet governments to take. We have all been sold a bill of goods by those that hold the purse strings and the power.

I would love to bring home all of our US troops and put them to work here in the good ole US of A. Impose a 100% import excise tax on all foreign products and penalize companies that off-shore US jobs through heavy tax burden. Nothing would give me more pleasure. The challenge is that there are too many Americans that have been zombified through consumerism to care.

I think the day is coming soon when that hard and very rough wake up call is coming. To generalize we do not care about other nations is wrong. I have always found people generally get along, but Governments make wars that the poor will fight and die in. That is what is happening in Afgan and all of the war torn world.

There are too many humans, the world is at critical mass. The great mother will get even.

reply to post by mideast


Okay, I have to ask this question: when Sadaam invaded Kuwait and was killing and raping and torturing the Kuwait people, do you agree or disagree with the US going in there and driving Sadaam out of Kuwait?

Originally posted by mideast

Originally posted by neo96
If the Us government is so bloody evil that has invaded other countries killing people in Afghanistan etc then why the hell do people think we should get on our knees?

Ponder that sure some will miss that point.

I don't say you should get on your knees , I say it is the way things were done yesterday. And tomorrow depends on you.

Someone says "we don't care" about afghanistan and other tripe simple fact we care about our guns is because we don't want to become afghanistan eh.

trusting wolves will always have similar results.

And if you think you are smarter , let it be.

So you aregee with the Taliban when they shoot women in the back of the head and burn down schools because they are trying to educate females? You think that Islamic fundimentalists who believe in coversion bythe sword and the murder of innocents are the victims here? That a woman deserves her rape if she is dressed improperly?

Just who are the victims here?

reply to post by mideast

+ Germany and USA are making dangerous chemical weapons. Who gives the right to other countries to attack them ?

What are you even talking about? I've read all of your posts and they all end up off topic or about nonsense such as this. What is the point of this thread?

Chemical weapons violate the Geneva Convention. Just ask Syria who inherited Sadam's cache of chemical weapons of mass destruction before we were able to seize and destroy them. Just ask the Kurds from Halabja. I'm sure you know were that is. Right? Those who survived could tell you a thing or two.

Please provide a source to prove your allegations regarding Germany and the United States. I'm beginning to think that you are simply a troll based on uncorroborated statements like that. Just looking for an argument with some dumb gun proud Americans?

Stay on your own topic if you can.... too many distractions thrown by you....


ETA

Do some research Please!
Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW)