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Originally posted by liejunkie01
Really,
I could care less what the Iranians say.
They are as just as bad as every other person or persons in power. They want more power and they will spew propaganda to their people anyway that makes them seem bigger, better, badder, and they always blame the "other" country or people for their problems.
Religion has no place in this world anymore. I am so sick of all of the "our team is better attitudes". It is a repeated slogan that has been yelled for centuries. With peace not even being an option. Look at all of the killings in the name of "GOD".
Peace is a pipe dream and this world will not progress to the next level as long as we have religous "entities" playing the team sport.
Where there is religion, there is a hatred for the opposing team. Even if you "god loving people" don't want to admit it.
It doesn't matter, even if we(the US) pulled every single troop out of the mideast, there would still be fighting, killing, bickering, religous persecutions, because this is what religions are all about. Find the "satan" and blame him. He is the reason we are so unhappy, our crops are failing, our water is non drinkable, and so on.
This is so ignorant and I really am quite stumped on how people can even fathom the thought of a savior making things better. It hasn't happened since the inception of religion and it will not happen as long as there is a such thing as religion.
So please take you anti American rhetoric somewhere else, because truly educated folks(not religous indoctrinated peoples) see right through this hogwash.
Originally posted by mideast
And about OBL , he is killed and his body is in the ocean , so your govt doesn't need to stay in Afghanistan anymore.
Originally posted by liejunkie01
reply to post by mideast
In middle east the peace has gone , and there are several clues that lead to your govt.
The United States has been around for a little over 200 years. That really is not that long in the terms of history.
Has there ever been a point throughout history where there was peace in the ME? And did this peace if it happened at all, did it come from a war in which the middle eastern people were killing other middle easterns?
Who were you guys blaming before the US came into play, who took the blame then for the problems?
Tough calling the U.S. "the great Satan". We're not run by a religion that publically or even privately stones women to death for adultery. Nor do we oppress women, and force them to dress up where the sun can't shine on them like this:
Nor do we have any goals of establishing world wide sharia law at the expense of other people's freedoms of choice.
If you want to see what Satan is just read about Muhammad, all that raping, pillaging, converting by the sword, pedophilia, lying, stealing (and stealing other men's wives), warring.
Actually, I've had some lengthy chats with a Shia muslim lady through ATS for a period of time earlier this year. She's gone back to the Middle East now as I understand it, but it was very educational and enlightening. Some good and some bad. The point is though, it was a positive experience. She didn't approach me with outright hostility from the word go and I didn't approach her that way. Amazing, but we got along fine, as far as an online friendship ever goes. A similar experience with a very inquisitive Indian (As in India) user a few years ago was equally informative.
It isn't culture and it's not origin that makes someone half way decent or outright combative
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by mideast
mideast?
Le's play "what if".
What if; Saddam hadn't invaded Kuwait?
There would have been no Gulf War I.
What if; the Twin Towers hadn't been destroyed by 19 mideastern terrorists?
There would have been no Gulf War II.
It's easy and "chic" to blame America for all the ills in the world. But, without the introduction of islamic extremists, there wouldn't be much to complain about.
My humble opinion.
Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Tough calling the U.S. "the great Satan". We're not run by a religion that publically or even privately stones women to death for adultery. Nor do we oppress women, and force them to dress up where the sun can't shine on them like this:
Hardly a burqua but you can rest assured that Western nations suppress women in other ways.
Nor do we have any goals of establishing world wide sharia law at the expense of other people's freedoms of choice.
I really would have to take issue with the establishing world wide Sharia law bit and the freedom of choice. Maybe not Sharia law but definitely Alerican world wide 'democracy'. Where is the freedom of choice in that one is being introduced to it from 30,000ft?
If you want to see what Satan is just read about Muhammad, all that raping, pillaging, converting by the sword, pedophilia, lying, stealing (and stealing other men's wives), warring.
In all of the books written by men you will find the same.
From the bible:
2 Samuel 12:11 "This is what the LORD says: Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep with your wives in broad daylight."
Samuel 15:3 "Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."
And there are any many more in both books.
In that respect one religion is no better of worse than the other.