Ron Paul will destroy us all!

Originally posted by AntiStupidPeople
Ron Paul is so far from any sort of relevance outside of being a punchline in the mainstream that it just cracks me up that fringe people on sites like this devote so much time and energy to him. snip Ron Paul, he'll never be anywhere near any sort of real power in this country.

edit on 27/4/2012 by Sauron because: removed proanity

So says the obvious paid shill who created an account just to say this.

Tard.

Germanicus represents the next line of attack that Ron Paul will endure.

Germanicus says he personally is a National Socialist (Nazi)

This is where they will go next. They will attempt to discredit Dr. Paul with his purported followers... Watch it happen. This is only the beginning of how they will fight. It will be a dirty battle.

IMO there is a shill posting here. I'm not saying who it is, just that there is a shill here.

Ron Paul will not only save America from sliding further into the U-Bend, i believe he will usher in such a paradigm change in US and by knock on effect, world politics, that we, all of us living on this rock will finally be able to move forwards in a positive way, without fear and without the corruption that instils the fear.

If you don't support Ron Paul, you're supporting NO change for the better, and years more of the same oppression and downward spiral after spiral.

If you have a brain and want better for your families, research him, watch him and learn about him...and when you're satisfied, VOTE for him. He's not a saint, but he's as close to one as you're ever going to get in cutthroat US politics of the 21st century.

He will save your country from the mire. And if even a little of Ron Paul rubs off on my country's politicians, i'll be happy.

Originally posted by Dasher
Yes, my title is meant to be provocative. No, at face value, it is not what I believe. In a deeper sense, however, I am strongly concerned that many are asking to carry more than they are able.

Liberty.

Socialism.

By the good intentions of a few, the common sentiment of our culture is nearly entirely socialist. While this comes at the cost of a rope around the neck, it does provide an environment that prevents, or intends to prevent, massive traumas.

By the good intentions of many, the common sentiment in our culture is nearly entirely liberty-minded (the culture of our times is horribly schizophrenic).

So, what then will happen as our culture transforms from a failed socialist system to a more "wild" and natural (truthful) system?

I am fairly certain, after growing pains, we will be all the better for it. But I would like to highlight the notion of the growing pains.

What if you were injured? Would you be able to pay large sums of money to an out-of-control "medical industrial complex" in order to become well again? The delay between the time of the reign of the "Industrial Complexes" and the return of individual liberty/responsibility is a great danger to us who do not have great authority in the world. Our systems of food production will be weakened, general trade will become imbalanced, even the concept of "value" will lose it's meaning until we re-learn so many different aspects of civilized conduct.

To sum this up, I simply want to warn others that while what Dr. Paul speaks is very truthful and upright, returning to the path of our founding fathers does require you/us to be far better men and women than we, collectively, are now.

And this wave of change will not subside if Dr. Paul loses this election cycle! This wave of change has built a great momentum, and it is still growing. When it is ready to break, it would be best for us to be prepared for the truth and responsibility of liberty.

I trust that, someday, we will minister to each other's needs freely. I trust that, someday, we will not do wrong simply because someone said we cannot do it. I trust that, someday, we will think about the consequences of our actions and fear Truth more than we fear the conduct of other men. In this we will have the good of socialism wrapped in the verity of liberty.

And thus grows the Tree.

Dr. paul...as much as I like most of what he has to say...WILL LET YOU DIE! you are nothing but a SSN....don't get too full of yourself like you matter...there are 330 million Americans now....losing the homeless and the helpless is meaningless to these people. I am a Libertarian and I am prepared to die for the choices...good or bad...that I have made....I do not expect anyone to care or come and help me...this is the world we have made. Would I prefer life?...well sure...but If I have to beg then no...just put a bullet in my head and let me go quickly....

reply to post by LoonyConservative


It seems that you are dwelling more on that topic than Dr. Paul as that is a very small portion of his platform. Have you actually spent time attending any sort of rally or full-length speech? Do you understand the principle of Liberty?

Most Libertarian Republicans understand liberty, and my goal is to also emphasize the responsibility that goes along with keeping that liberty healthy, secure and upright. Your complaint is noted, but it is overly concerned with a minor issue for it to be something worth altering any course over.

reply to post by Germanicus


I greatly appreciate your understanding that America is the head of the human "1st world" empire. I also appreciate your plea for us as citizens to reign it in. If we all understood better that we are all "on the same team," our own leaders would not be so worried about a "power vacuum" if we remove our military from other countries. Maybe, instead, they would lift up friendly nations to "take up the good fight" so that they themselves are strong and able to stand. Not only does the national/international socialist mentality cause a type of "blindness" to actually manifesting good as necessary, because of the way that honest economics works, it also causes radical poverty.

reply to post by Rockpuck


Brain surgery is expensive. I don't care what system of government we are under. And the concept of insurance is no more unethical than the concept of "money." It is not the concept that is flawed, it is our application of said concept that is flawed. Do not blame an object for how a person misuses it.

Besides, my point was not to defend a particular concept in human conduct except doing good when and where we know to do good and that we should be willing to learn and be ready.

In regards to my exact example, I was simply pointing at something worth being warned about. I was not trying to push a specific course or philosophy. We should be ready to stand if we are asking to stand, and we should be ready to die if we are asking to live.

American's despite our economic conditions are very generous 60% of us individually donating money to charity and 39% giving their time (mostly the over 50's / retired population).
Overall a new study ranked us 6th in the world for being generous. Impressive when you think 50% of the population is either near poverty or in poverty.

It seems regardless of our political philosophy the majority care about our fellow humans. Where the ideologies differ is about the best way to provide for the whole of society. Our problem is that the more power becomes concentrated the greater the risk of corruption and collusion against the interests of the citizens.

That is why we used to break up monopolies in Industries/Companies, to prevent abuse, to prevent too big to Fail. It is fairly obvious to me that regardless of what ideology we think our representatives are following most of them have been hijacked and it's no wonder our system is broken.

We need to stop calling each other names, most people are good and generous and just want fairness and the ability to provide a decent life, free from outside interference, to their families. Most of us do help our fellow humans. The Libertarianism that Ron Paul follows (based on the constitution), is basically similar to anti-trust law. He just wants to devolve most of the power our Federal Government has taken upon itself and give it back to the States. Yes it's not perfect, but what system has been perfect so far?
States who do a lousy job for their citizen's will soon start losing their populations to better States...and we can put a stop to Big Government thinking that it's more important to nation build outside our borders than to provide for its own hungry children (1 in 5 by the way)

Even in Nazi Germany, only 10% of the population were Nazi's, the rest were just basically fearful, because the Government had so much power and made everyone think that the walls had ears (as with all Dictatorships and Totalitarian regime’s)... now 70 years on we truly are at a point where constant surveillance is no longer a pipe dream... we are at a turning point in history, what are we going to do?

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reply to post by Germanicus


Socialism, of course, is a very godly concept. However, in reality, it is unable to perform in perpetuity. It collapses itself under the weight of it's own false facade of charity. If we all put 10% into a bag and distribute it's contents to the needy equally, many needs will not be met. Like so many things, unless there is both order and charity, the system will fail. And, economically, it has failed so powerfully that the world's economic burdens are unfathomably out of control.

Capitalism, of course, is a very natural concept. However, in reality, it is easily abused. It collapses itself under the weight of it's own false facade of order. If we all take from a bag, and never put back, the back will always become empty and many needs will not be met. Like so many things, unless there is both order and charity, the system will fail. And, socially, it has failed so powerfully that the world has entered into a stupor, and is crying out for corrupt leaders to be their saviors.

If we understood the wisdom of Socialism, we would manifest charity when and where it is needed and not pretend by lifting up a failed social system as our salvation. If we understood the wisdom of Capitalism, we would strive to be productive so that we all can be productive and not take so much that the well runs dry.

So, then, to say simply; Capitalism is simply acknowledging and abiding in what is natural and normal. This is the law whether we write it down or not. And Socialism is simply acknowledging and abiding in what is godly and gracious. However, when dispensed by a large and senseless system, it fails.

Capitalism only by law because it is the natural law.
Socialism only by heart because it is godly and personal.

Capitalism by the heart is corruption, as is Socialism by the law. These two simply do not work.
And if we live out Wisdom, we will have no need to raise a banner for either title.

reply to post by BellaSabre


It would serve you well to understand the "societal kinetic energy" that is building. If you actually read through this thread, there is a particular flavor to my message. I accept that my message is not as simple as "one and one is two," as it does require a bit of good judgment, but my words are true and helpful. It would be foolish to ignore the momentum that is building and not being relieved. At some point, the fire jumps the road and things get hot. If we are all considerate of our needs and also considerate of each other, we will be able to handle it well.

reply to post by SimontheMagus


You are missing the wisdom of the ideas you are speaking about. Babylon is simply the empire of mankind. It is not particularly one flag or another. Yes, the west is the head of Babylon for now, but that often changes throughout history. The afflicted changes, but the sickness is the same.

reply to post by Germanicus


I would like to add to you that your heart is certainly aligned to mine in terms of desire to work and help others. However, you are simply not being realistic about the massive debt that bad capitalism and impotent socialism has brought us.

Capitalism is the natural law where there is nothing written. It is the way things are. Period. Socialism is beautiful in concept, but it does not work because large systems are numb, dumb, and blind. They are senseless. Therefore it cannot dispense charity orderly. That must be done by you or people you locally elect to such tasks.

A shepherd estranged to his sheep is a stranger to the sheep. Empires cannot replace people. Tribes are our natural unction. Gangs, mafias, unions, etc. These things are all premised on locals taking care of locals. And in this, the shepherds are more able to both know/care for their sheep and the sheep are able to hold their shepherd accountable. As it is now with Empire, the sheep are far from their shepherds, are easily abused, and are suffering from a sort of Stockholm Syndrome.

reply to post by NoSoup4U


The wisdom behind your idea is that we must be able to "sense" those we care for. Meaning; if we are going to give to someone, we should know what they are going to do with it and, generally, what other things they do in their lives. Otherwise, a blind system of giving exhausts itself (as it has done for so long now).

I basically agree with you that I would rather know who I am giving to, but I also try to temper such restriction to whatever my best judgment is at the time. I have often given to people of whom I am not sure of their motive. But, normally, I prefer to help those who are struggling and simply need some help.

While being diligent to make good judgments as individuals leads to errors on our part, it is simply more reasonable to expect good to grow from it than from a senseless and massive imperial system. Blind justice is not justice just as inconsiderate charity is not charity.

reply to post by Germanicus


I scanned your other thread. I appreciate your points, but you are mostly playing word games. I can see how it is comfortable to do so, but the fulcrum of this issue is good judgment. Individuals have a better chance at making good judgments, even taking into consideration each of our failures, than an imperial system. And without an imperial system, there is no national socialism. What I do hope for is a united states full of communists, socialists, capitalists, anarchists, etc, who all live out the wisdom of their philosophies rather than enforcing particular and unnatural laws on each regardless of how noble those ideas may be. Live it or lose it.

reply to post by MsAphrodite


Good thing that national socialism has the stink of both empire and fascism on it.
It's failures are so evident that they couldn't be hidden by a slow societal transformation.

However, we should be learning from the godliness that is the wisdom of Socialism while pushing for honest and local government.

reply to post by Damrod


I'm sorry, I really don't see what wisdom you are adding here.
I am not seeking my own good here. I do not think that "I" matter much more than to my own family and friends. Although, I do take it as my personal responsibility to live out the wisdom of social compassion as much as I am able to as an individual.

Wow, this thread seems like nothing more than a chat thread for anti-Paul shills, save but a few of you. You guys are talking so much nonsense I'm starting to think this is a hoax thread.