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Originally posted by DISRAELI
i did several threads covering the Harlot of Babylon, and observed that she seemed to combine the two features you mention; in one aspect she was a promoter of idolatry, in another she was "the unfaithful people of God", the other side of the coin to the "woman in heaven" in ch12.
Originally posted by Anthony2
reply to post by colbe
The mention of "near" here and elsewhere in this thread. I think date-setting no, but watching for the leaves coming on the trees (as in the Olivet discourse) yes. Saying the day is "near" suggests you see those leaves. There's a sense in which it has been "near" for 2,000 years, but what is there about now that makes things different?
Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by WhoKnows100
1) Even from that verse you're quoting, the Revelation is about the "what", rather than the "when".
2) Yes, there are metaphors in the gospels and epistles about watching for the "signs". But to me this is more about becoming aware that something is "in the air", a raising of the "alert level", as it were. They don't invite us to pin our expectations to a specific date.
PS In fact, come to think of it, if we knew a date we would not NEED signs. We would just need a calendar. The very fact that we're invited to look for signs shows that we don't know a date.edit on 29-2-2012 by DISRAELI because: (no reason given)
3-12-12. Something BIG will go down on this date! Start of a Beast kingdom. 3-12-12 plus 1260 is 8-24-15.
There are many interesting parallels in the book of Revelations referring to a Dragon. The year 2012 represents the year of the dragon in the Chinese calendar. Maybe just coincidence.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
3-12-12. Something BIG will go down on this date! Start of a Beast kingdom. 3-12-12 plus 1260 is 8-24-15.
This prediction made in a recent thread should have borne fruit a couple of days ago.
The fact that nothing BIG went down on that date, amounting to the start of a Beast kingdom, bears out my point about the futility of date-setting.
UNITED NATIONS, March 12 (Xinhua) -- The Middle East Quartet on Monday called upon the Israelis and Palestinians to end " provocative actions" and make more efforts to revive the stalled peace process.
The Quartet, which groups the United Nations, Russia, the United States and the European Union and Quartet Representative Tony Blair met at the UN Headquarters in New York to "assess developments since its statement of 23 September 2011," said a statement issued after the group's closed consultations.
Originally posted by jcrash
... Get over yourself, if you are a serious Christian brother.
Originally posted by DISRAELI
Another assumption which many calculators find attractive is that the timing chosen by God will coincide with Jewish religious festivals. This gives them an excuse to pin their predictions to a specific day in the calendar. Once again, we don’t have any real warrant for this theory. The purpose of these festival days is to celebrate things that God has done, but we won’t find anything in scripture to support the idea that God will plan things the other way round. Indeed, the historical victory celebrated by Hanukkah has a separate day of celebration precisely because God did NOT carefully arrange it to coincide with one of the main festivals.