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Originally posted by mastahunta
Do you care about the truth of your arguments?
A Rule by the Food and Drug Administration on 11/19/2008
Summary
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA), after consultation with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), is amending FDA’s regulation on the use of ozone-depleting substances (ODSs) in self-pressurized containers to remove the essential-use designation for epinephrine used in oral pressurized metered-dose inhalers (MDIs). The Clean Air Act requires FDA, in consultation with the EPA, to determine whether an FDA-regulated product that releases an ODS is an essential use of the ODS. FDA has concluded that there are no substantial technical barriers to formulating epinephrine as a product that does not release ODSs, and therefore epinephrine would no longer be an essential use of ODSs as of December 31, 2011. Epinephrine MDIs containing an ODS cannot be marketed after this date.
Originally posted by centurion1211
You agree with the decision ...
Somehow that hardly sounds "benevolent".
Care to provide evidence from a reputable source that asthmatics using inhalers have any measurable effect on the atmosphere?
The shift to CFC-free MDIs is part of a larger transition that has affected many consumer and industrial products and sectors over the last several decades. In 1996, the United States prohibited the production and import of CFCs except for certain essential uses. In fact, MDIs used for the treatment of asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease are among the last uses to switch to ozone-safe alternatives.
Originally posted by centurion1211
...Obama could have stopped this from going into effect, but didn't.
Some asthmatics may lose their inhalers
But experts say ban on Primatine Mist, other OTC inhalers could move patients to better drugs.
The boiling frog anecdote
The boiling frog story is a widespread anecdote describing a frog slowly being boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability of people to react to significant changes that occur gradually.[1] According to contemporary biologists the premise of the story is not literally true; a frog submerged and gradually heated will jump out.[2][3] However, some 19th century research experiments suggested that the underlying premise is true, provided the heating is gradual enough.
Originally posted by redhorse
reply to post by centurion1211
The difference is in the propellant not the medicine itself. However, when they tested the hfa propellant inhalers they only tested them on people with healthy lungs. Many asthmatics (like myself) have adverse reactions to the new inhalers, and find they are not nearly as effective. I now must us a nebulizer when I never needed one before, and have become newly dependent upon steroids to control my asthma as well. My illness escalated immediately after the switch. Also, the previous cfc inhalers would cost me five dollars, and the new ones cost me fifty. Nice.
The environmental concern is about the ozone layer. The science regarding cfc's potentially being damaging is correct, however, the amount of cfc's put into the atmosphere by asthmatics is negligible to say the least.
Many people in the medical community acknowledge that there seems to be a negative effect on many asthmatics with this switch, and that at the very least more research needs to be done; but to deaf ears. Either way, this switch has been killing me for the last two years; "slowly drowning" as my physician put it, and there are those worse off than I. Make no mistake, people are dying from this. It is very sad.
edit on 25-9-2011 by redhorse because: (no reason given)
reply to post by WhoDat09
You don't get it they're so inept they tell me I don't have asthma, all my life I have had it and not ONE single doctor is competent enough to see that's what the F%^% I have!
ETA: No they will prescribe one time then I got to keep going back every time I run out to get another with the diagnosis of asthma this wouldn't be mandatory for me.
Originally posted by wlasikiewicz
reply to post by centurion1211
At least there will be no fat americans because when/ if they are banned all the fat people running to mcdonalds will have an Asthma attack.
Key facts
■In 2009, almost a quarter of adults (22 per cent of men and 24 per cent of women aged 16 or over) in England were classified as obese (BMI 30kg/m2 or over).
■A greater proportion of men than women (44 per cent compared with 33 per cent) in England were classified as overweight in 2009 (BMI 25 to less than 30kg/m2).
■In 2009/10, almost a quarter of adults (24.3 per cent of respondents) in England reported that they had taken part in sport on 11 to 28 days within a four week period.
■People are eating less saturated fat, trans fat and added sugar than they were 10 years ago.
■In 2008, among adults aged 16 and over, overweight or obese men and women were more likely to have high blood pressure than those in the normal weight group; high blood pressure was recorded in 48 per cent of men and 46 per cent of women in the obese group, compared with 32 per cent of overweight men and women and 17 per cent of men and women in the normal weight group.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Care to provide evidence from a reputable source that asthmatics using inhalers have any measurable effect on the atmosphere?
CFC's have a measurable effect on the atmosphere. If you want the details, look it up yourself. Everyone knows that we have been phasing out CFCs for some time now...
Originally posted by FallenWun
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan
Did you even read any of this? This is from 2008. Not only is that before Obama was even president, it was long before he had any ratings at all, good or bad. I also still have my inhaler as they were not taken off the market. It made no difference to me which propellant BUSH wanted to use.
So please explain to me how Obama's ratings in 2011 made him so magical that he could do this before he was even elected. Then I need to know what a huge favor this was for big pharma anyway? Far be it for me to defend Bush but inhalers were not taken off the market.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
CFC's have a measurable effect on the atmosphere. If you want the details, look it up yourself. Everyone knows that we have been phasing out CFCs for some time now...