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Originally posted by mr10k
Originally posted by redhorse
Originally posted by mr10k
reply to post by ScepticalBeliever
Yes, they are very severe. Ones' mental growth can be halted with these kinds of phsycological disorders. But does how one feels justify the use of harmful drugs to make that person "normal"?
We all know that autism is a mental illness. Not a disorder.
No.
We don't all know that. First glance finds your statement obtuse and uninformed; however, perhaps I misunderstand. Please clarify.
i suppose I should.
I agree with the theory that autism is caused by genes, seeing as how it also is shown to impair neurons in the brain, which is why I classify it as a mental illness.
Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by daryllyn
I would seriously get your child tested for heavy metals.
In my opinion this should be done before any type of Axis I or Axis II diagnosis is made.
The doctor that you are seeing is not ethical, but most are not.
They only get paid when they make a diagnosis, which requires them to then prescribe meds.
This is the way the LAW works in the medical model regarding HMO's and health care plans.
Heavy metal toxicity in children is NEVER looked at, but it could be an Axis III diagnosis that should be cured by actual medication, or the cleansing of toxins.
NOT HEAD MEDS.
Good for you for standing up for your kid.
They do not have the ability to rationalize.
Hell, people don't have the ability to truly rationalize in abstract thought until they reach their mid 20's or up to 30.
I would suggest looking at this site about heavy metal toxicity.
If this sounds like its your child, then for sure get them tested.
Filter the water in your house and talk to a pediatrician who is realistic about immunizations.
They are not totally bogus, but they are overused for monetary gain as well.edit on 1/2/2011 by Josephus23 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by daryllyn
I would suggest focusing on aluminum/mercury.
It is highly prevalent in our environment.
I will say that having speech deficiencies/proclivities as a child is like the golden goose for diagnosing Asperger's.
Children will sometimes use incredibly complex words without knowing what they mean and that is also diagnosed as Asperger's.
That is totally beyond my comprehension, to be honest with you.
Kids experiment with everything. That is part of development.
Basically, ASD is a "catch-all" diagnosis when a doctor doesn't know what else to say.
Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by mr10k
These threads always annoy me and sourcing Wiki only annoys me even more.
ATS is full of threads claiming that mental illness is a lie, the drugs are making your condition worse, you don’t need the drugs or the drugs are controlling you. Then there are the threads that claim severe psychosis is not a mental illness but it is a mental portal to another dimension, the result of MK-ULTRA or caused by alien experimentation. I would challenge you to find any credible academic study that backs up these claims. I do tend to agree that medication is often over prescribed but its not due to any massive conspiracy with the backing of the pharmaceutical companies with the NWO backing them up as some would like to believe on ATS. It’s just as a result of demanding patients, lack of training for GP’s, its perhaps cheaper to give someone a pill than it is to prescribe CBT and other therapies and sometimes incompetence and laziness.
The problem is for people when it comes to metal health on ATS is twofold, firstly there are allot of people on ATS with diagnosed mental health problems who have their delusions fuelled by this website. The second problem is a problem in all of society; the problem is the comparison to physical health problems. People can see and feel a broken arm; they can feel the effects of a cancer and other people can empathise with these effects and understand them. However because mental illness is much more abstract and less tangible aliment people just can’t accept why the drugs are needed and the individual affected often may not have the cognitive capability to understand why he or she needs the drugs. There is another problem form a conspiracy angel and that is the perception of the science of psychiatry, it’s incredibly complex, it’s not like oncology were one can do a blood test, its very subjective and that is perhaps why psychiatrists spend so long mastering their trade.
With this thread in particular I get the feeling the OP just doesn’t know very much about mental illness. Take what was said about clinical depression for example, some depression can be caused as a result of drug use leading to a imbalance of the chemical composition of the brain leading to depression. As a result medication is NEEDED to bring back homeostatic environment resulting in a return to a normal balance of neurotransmitters and as such ones mood is stabilised. The reason for the medication being prescribed is not because some big pharmaceutical company is trying to boost profits, it’s because the client needs the medication.
Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by ScepticalBeliever
What we have is an undermedicated/overmedicated problem in America.
Those who don't need the meds usually get them and those that do usually don't.
And it all revolves around money.
I dropped out of school last semester because of my ethical dilemma resulting from how I feel about my field of study.
I feel like it is harming more people than it is helping and that is a real mess for someone who is not at all in this for the money.
Originally posted by mr10k
Some of these are factual medical disorders. Most are basically groupings of different states of emotions, given a distinct name.
I.e:
Clinical Depression:
Clinical depression is a mental disorder characterized by an all-encompassing low mood accompanied by low self-esteem, and by loss of interest or pleasure in normally enjoyable activities.
Most of these "mental disorders" are just excuses to sell more medication, and perform more costly therapedic procedures on patients:
Typically, patients are treated with antidepressant medication and, in many cases, also receive psychotherapy or counseling although the effectiveness of medication for mild or moderate cases is questionable.
So my question to you ATS, is what do you think?
I personally feel that mental disorders, different from mental illness, is a completely made-up concept used to benefit from the populace. I sometimes think that mental disorders, are what happens when corporate America has thrown us into this mental pool of whats - needs, and having us fight each other just to get the latest ipod.
Originally posted by triplesod
Firstly. If I have misunderstood your intentions and views, then I apologise but I think my post should stand in argument to the many people who know nothing about depression and so believe they know everything about it.
Originally posted by mr10k
Some of these are factual medical disorders. Most are basically groupings of different states of emotions, given a distinct name.
I.e:
Clinical Depression:
Clinical depression is a mental disorder characterized by an all-encompassing low mood accompanied by low self-esteem, and by loss of interest or pleasure in normally enjoyable activities.
Most of these "mental disorders" are just excuses to sell more medication, and perform more costly therapedic procedures on patients:
Typically, patients are treated with antidepressant medication and, in many cases, also receive psychotherapy or counseling although the effectiveness of medication for mild or moderate cases is questionable.
So my question to you ATS, is what do you think?
I personally feel that mental disorders, different from mental illness, is a completely made-up concept used to benefit from the populace. I sometimes think that mental disorders, are what happens when corporate America has thrown us into this mental pool of whats - needs, and having us fight each other just to get the latest ipod.
I take it you never suffered from depression? You lucky, lucky boy!
Lucky boy? I have had depression. Several times. Several times with the feeling all is lost. Several times with the pain that I have to go around while others make fun of me, depressed, willing to take the risk of killing myself. That's when I dabbled into the metaphysics. I researched as hard as I could, read alot of books, but my pain wouldn't cope. Further and further down I went, until I started getting involved with politics. This is when I heard of FEMA camps, and coffins, which depressed me further. My mother poured as uch confidence as she could, and gave me alot of advice. That's when I found my way here to ATS and started taking questioning all the information I was given. It helped me alot, because I started learning more and more, and I lost the feeling to "die". Now I am not depressed. I am not happy with the outlook that my life may be going, but I won't tkae the "shortcut". So before you start jumping conclusions, ask questions.
On top of that, it is a scientifically proven illness. Depression can be either environmental, where you are not able to cope with the life you lead, or and most often it is chemical. It is an imbalance of certain chemicals in the brain.
If depression is caused by environmental factors, it isn't an illness. Read the thread title: disorders. Mental. Mental as in psychological. As in, it's in your head. As for chemical depression, I already know enough about that, but this thread has nothing to do with that.
It is as much an disease as cancer and it can be just as deadly!
Disease? like Alzheimers? Parkinsons? I am not tackling mental diseases. i am tackling mental disorders.
I hate people who think they can tell you to "snap out of it!" or tell you "c'mon, cheer up for fks sake!", they will never understand the impossibility of what they ask. There are many who have had everything they could ever want but still their struggle with depression ended their lives and made them terminally miserable.
I understand losing a family member can do that. I understand not having the feeling of being loved does that to you. I have seen people that struggle with self-mutilation. Cutting themselves for example. I know there is nothing I can say to help that person, because it's in his/her head. The depression that person suffers can be fought with conversations, etc. But drag that person to people that like the same things that they do, treat them with respect, and acknowledge that person like they would with anyone else, and sooner or later, the self-mutilation will decease to persist. If that doesn't work, then obviously something in the past is troubling the person and that's where therapy somes into play. Still there is no reason to dope them up on drugs. I understand emotion is affected by chemicals in the brain, but that justifies submitting that person to medication harmful to other systems just so they can get rid of an emotion?
I think you could upset and annoy many people with your post. People who have no understanding of a subject, really should not comment on it! They should especially not try to speak as though they are some kind of authority on the matter but sadly, this seems to be a very common trait today with people, especially on the internet.
I have no interest in what you "Think". I am only interested in what you know and I know that you actually know nothing of what you are talking about but I certainly do and I know many others here also do and to us, your post is a disgrace!edit on 2-1-2011 by triplesod because: (no reason given)edit on 2-1-2011 by triplesod because: (no reason given)
Is that how you will end your post? by attacking me? You shouldn't care what I think, I asked YOU what YOU think. If you were really interested in what I know, you would take the time to look into my posts and understand more clearly what i am saying, but by saying:
Firstly. If I have misunderstood your intentions and views, then I apologise
And ending up the post by saying:
I know that you actually know nothing of what you are talking about
Really contradicts you. My view is that the whole post isn't targeted at depression. My whole post wasn't saying medical disorders were a lie. And I can see from this one post all you probably did was press "POST REPLY" without understanding anything I have said.